Monday, June 26, 2006
Kos vs The Clintons Part III in The Series "nobody has time to sort through that haystack" (Why this should matter to Canadians)
(Updated with more commentary, links and explanation per reader's suggestions and feedback
If the case has not been made clearly enough yet, (and I suppose it hasn't, at least to some of my Canadian friends/readers) then I will continue to keep going on in this vein, until it dawns on them that something is very very wrong with the Clintons.
I titled this post "Kos vs the Clintons" -- because I want there to be a record out there that somebody somewhere was recording this little spat between a DNC faithful KoS and Hill and Bill, and what that could potentially mean for the guy, at some point. Let's just say it's an electronic paper trail of sorts, and leave it at that.
I note that one Brian Macker in the comments section has complained to me that "nobody has time to sort through that haystack" when I suggested to readers that for a real education on all things Hillary, they should review all posts made by Billy Beck with respect to Hillary Clinton on the usenet group alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater.
Yes Brian, you are absolutley right. In today's culture, nobody seems to actually have time to actually do some first hand research into these sorts of things. They need to be fed their news and analysis all mushed up like baby-pablum--bite-sized talking points, regurgitated pap that they require be spoonfed to them and will not compete too much with the scroll at the bottom of the screen on whichever Pravda er.. News outlet they are gathering their information about world events, from. They need stunning visuals like flying graphics and dramatic music and grinny perfectly coiffed cheerful talking heads doing their thinking, research and "analysis" for them.
Ya, I hear ya.
Seriously... who has time to actually compile something like the Hugh Sprunt, "Citizen's Independent Report?" and ask themselves about why it is that there are gross inconsistencies between the Park Police's Report, The Fiske Report and the 1994 Senate Report Volume, and the facts of the matter at hand available to the public.
Or indeed, who really wants to actually file a few hundred FOI requests, or spend their own money in court requiring the US government provide information with respect to just a few of such gross inconsistencies and which Attorney Alan Favish has done, and as far as I know continues to do.
Yes indeedy. Who has the time to bother actually, uh, you know reading the final Starr Report on the subject.
Quick question:Have any of you who pooh-pooh all this "Clinton Scandal" business with a hand-waving "It's all part of the VRWC" BS, or "It's all about BJs in the OO" crap, actually read the Starr Report, The Fiske Report, or the 1994 Senate Report Volume?
Well, I have.
I believe it's still all available on-line to read, thanks to Billy Beck's efforts and others to type it in keystrokes at a time at a time when blogs didn't exist, and we had to manually HTML everything.
Oh yea, I hear ya Brian Macker....Seriously --Who wants to listen to the words of Miguel Rodriguez, Ken Starr's lead investigator, Assistant US Attorney, who resigned from the Foster Case investigation because in his own words ""I knew what the result was going to be, because I was told what the result was going to be from the get-go."
Now, I have to point out that Billy Beck himself actually popped in to drop the following note, which would tend to agree with Brian on one essential point.
"The thing that I want to point out here, though, is that I did very little of the heavy lifting over affairs in the newsgroup. I published the first internet release of the Starr report on Foster (typed my little fingers to the bone from PDF's once I had my hands on 'em that week). I interviewed a couple of principals in the Mena episodes, and eventually made very few friends in the group with my conclusion that the whole cocaine-smuggling gag was utter nonsense....Here are some names to look for."
And he's right, of course. Billy was the philosophical liason to the ACECW group. He was there, in my view to do the job of painting the bigger picture, in "broad strokes with the big crayons" about what was going down.
I played a role even smaller than Becks. I was there simply to fend off the constant attacks of those who were there to run interferrence upon the then citizen-investigator/journalists of that era. At one point I contributed a little bit to The Tainted Blood Scandal research. Oddly, all of the posts I made on this have mysteriously vanished from googles archives of usenet, but that's ok, I believe Beck and a few others archived the whole thing at least until 2000. I've IM'd him to ask him if he has it, and am awaiting a response.
(*Update* Apparently, [I've just been informed by Beck] when Google aquired the whole usenet archives from the Dejanews usenet service there was a period of time around 1998 where Dejanews had stopped it's archiving, and as such some posts never actually got archived at all by Dejanews and thus never made it to the Google searchable archives. This would explain why some of my posts from then aren't showing up. But I do recall (feeling very foolish and silly at the time) phoning the RCMP task-force in 1998, when the RCMP first made headlines in Canada by announcing the creation of their investigation into the matter and asked if anybody had more information to feel free to call them, which I did. I believe some of us from ACECW also emailed Kennedy the Canadian reporter who I cite in this blogpost to let him know about the connections between Clinton and Leonard Dunn and some of the other characters involved in the scandal. That was about all that anybody could do at the time. Usenet was not seen as a *real* source of news, but thanks to one Bill Nalty, who posted literally hundreds of newspaper articles about all things related to Clinton to the ACECW group, the archives of ACECW are a gold-mine. Without realizing it, Nalty made a cross-indexed searchable database for researchers to review all reported news pertaining to Clinton for about 6 or 7 years. )
Anyways, when it comes to the Clintons -- this murder of Canadians, should be, I hope a pretty goddamn big deal for Canadians to take a look at.
And for those Canadians who aren't aware of it, the reason tainted blood ended up in our blood supply was due in part because the then Governor of Arkansas's (None other than William Jefferson Clinton) cronyism, led him to appoint an old friend of his, Leonard Dunn, chair of Clinton's Campaign reelection finance committee and a Clinton appointee to the Arkansas Industrial Development Commission, was, coincidentally, the president of Health Management.
Leonard Dunn, was appointed by Clinton to his job, and this is the man who ultimately worked with HMA organization to cut the deal to sell HIV and HepC infected blood to Canadians causing untold numbers of death, misery and costs. This is shortly after the US had stopped allowing the sale of Prison Blood to Americans, because of concerns over exactly such deadly diseases. If you are a Canadian, I hope that this would upset you a little bit.
Just a teeny tiny bit.
Now, why do I bring up Vince Foster in this context? Well, simply because there are some who believe that Vince Foster's murder/suicide (whichever you believe it had to be) had something to do with the Tainted Blood Scandal. Either that he was depressed over the breaking scandal, or that he was planning to do something about it, and ended up "Arkancided" for his effort. I don't know what happens to be the full truth of the matter. I do know however that the United States Government in it's various reports on the matter lied about the facts of the case, and such lies remain pretty much (aside from the acecw folx and the "Clinton Administration Scandal" list-serv) unchallenged to this date.
See the following
And especially note this and THIS as well:
"Mr. Clinton was governor of Arkansas when the Canadian
blood supply was contaminated in the early and mid-1980s.
He was familiar with the operations of the now-defunct
HMA, the Arkansas firm given a contract by Mr. Clinton's
state administration to provide medical care to prisoners. In
the process, HMA was also permitted by the state to collect
prisoners' blood and sell it elsewhere.
HMA's president in the mid-1980s, Leonard Dunn, was a
friend of Mr. Clinton's and a political ally. Later, Mr. Dunn
was a Clinton appointee to the Arkansas Industrial
Development Commission and he was among the senior
members of Mr. Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial re-election
team."
Ok, Brian Macker, and those who don't have time to go through "that haystack". I've given you some "light reading" to do. I really do understand why people associate Clinton Scandals with nothing more than Blowjobs and Perjury under Oath to the Grand Jury... and they think that anybody who has more to say on the subject is a raving
[email protected]@n, who believes in the likes of UFO conspiracies, BigFoot, and "Elvis Lives" and lives on the kind of fringes of tinfoil hat-land.
I do get it, that the Clinton Spin Machine was very effective at marginalizing and noise-making to obscure the worst of the worst of his crimes, scandals and evil deeds and incompetencies. It's one of the reasons that I don't generally talk about, or even write about my time spent on that effort very much to anybody who wasn't there. But when I saw Beck's post the other day, I couldn't help myself. I also admit that I grew just a little indignant at the sniggering by those on the right, (of all places) towards the claims of KoS that yes indeed, the Clinton Machine might indeed be up to no good, and poking around into his past. And even though I am not from the left, (as most of my regular readers are well aware) I really kind of feel sorry for KoS, in that Billy Beck is nail, bang, dead on with his assessment that "KoS" has absolutley no idea nor is he in any shape to deal with what he's just stepped into.
Note well dear gentle readers, I am not going to post "The Clinton Death List", it's been tainted so much with inconsistencies and unfactual speculation to such a degree that any serious Clinton Scandal watcher won't touch the thing. Furthermore, you won't see me rant on about Mena or some of the weirder conspiracy theories about the Clintons that floated around during the heyday of acecw by idiots like Daniel Hopsicker and various others who made a living publishing and promoting disinformation about the Clintons (perhaps in an effort) to muddy up the waters.
But that's fine. There's enough solid fact-based and supported, cited material available on the Clintons that you don't even need to go anywhere near the weird and way way out there stuff in trying to build a case as to why it is that the Clintons should never step foot inside the Whitehouse again. And I fully realize that by doing what I am doing right now, in just giving people a taste of what it was like to live through "the first war in cyberspace", I am providing probably more than a few minutes of entertainment to chuckleheads and waterbrains who have never heard of any of this, and will completely dismiss it out of hand. I have very low expectations of the ability of people to grasp the fullness of the sheer utter mendacity of the Clintons.
One of my commenters has respectfully suggested that I try and give a synopsis on the subject instead of trying to entice readers with these little slices of info. I don't know how to do that. I'm sorry. I don't know how to encapsulate 4-5 years of my life in usenet on this subject into a 1000 word essay or explain how or why, I, as a Canadian Aboriginal woman, got sucked into watching the Clinton Ozark Long March in such detail. I frankly don't feel I am qualified to do the job properly. Although I have for years urged Billy to take a stab at writing a book about his experience with it all. If people will follow some of the links, and read some of the news articles in question, maybe they will get it, and maybe they won't. I suspect most won't. But that's ok by me. I know what's true about these events, and I hope that maybe some of the left-of-center people who are popping by are getting a little bit of an education.
Putting all that aside, for the life of me, I do not understand how anybody in their right mind, can criticize George W.Bush's cronyism ala Katrina/FEMA, and CIA/Porter Goss eg... "You're doing a heckuva a job here Brownie" - and NOT be willing at the same time (in the very least if they are Canadians) to take a look at the Tainted Blood Scandal and be so insouciant about it all.
The death and blood of Canadians is quite literally on the hands of Bill Clinton. Wake up people! Do you really want to support "these people" in their efforts to get back into the most powerful political office on the face of the planet?
Why do I care? Why am I watching this action go down with KoS so closely?
I simply have the sincere hope, based on what I know about the Clintons that whomever the democrats choose to nominate for their presidential candidate in 2008 that it's not Hillary Clinton, and the famous blue-plate special.... "Vote for Hillary, get Bill For Free!".
That is all.