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Hilliary's team used the M word

Red Robin

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Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.

Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.

"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."

In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."

The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.

His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obama’s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya.

Later, Mr. Obama's mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.

The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.

Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.

Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago’s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.
"Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."

The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.

"Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."

In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christian—although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.

In “The Audacity of Hope,” Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.

Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."

In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."
 

IL Rancher

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Chuckle... I always thought his name might make a few people take a second look just because of how different it is.... Clinton's know how to play down and dirty, I just wonder if she will do the slash and burn thing and get the nomination becasue I really wonder if she is electable (Depends on who runs against her I suppose)..

This is looking more and more like 92.. Who would have thought in Spring of 91 that Clinton would have been elected president in November of 92? I think a dark horse might have the best shot...

Anyone seen the Moveon.org commercial about McCain? looks like Sorras thinks McCain is the canidate... Gosh I hate that org's adds.. but than again, I don't really like an PAC adds.
 

Steve

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IL Rancher
Clinton's know how to play down and dirty, I just wonder if she will do the slash and burn thing and get the nomination


looks like I was right when I said;
But he did a great job of shutting Hillery up! (and out),..bet she hasn't been this mad since she found Bill's soggy cigar..

By the way it heated up so Quickly, one could see she was pretty miffed... :lol: :twisted: :lol:

How dare Obama announce his intentions, on the same day she planned on setting the stage for her run!!!! :roll: :roll:
 

schnurrbart

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Red Robin said:
Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background

Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.

Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.

"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."

In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."

The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.

His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obama’s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya.

Later, Mr. Obama's mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.

The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.

Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.

Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago’s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.
"Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."

The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.

"Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."

In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christian—although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.

In “The Audacity of Hope,” Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.

Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."

In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."

Yeah, he is probably the leader of a sleeper cell just waiting to be president and then open the gates to let the faithful storm the capitol. How long before the swifties latch onto this?
 

IL Rancher

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It won't be the swifies that do it.. It will be whatever canidate in the primaries that does it.. I doubt he is a sleeper or something like that, and his minimal attending of church probably would be fairly symptomatic of most churches in this country.. I know our little church that we goto rarely has the same people there from week to week. You are considered a regular if you make 50% and there are lots of folks, with planting, harvest and such that just can't get away... I really, really wish they would do a night service personally but whatever..//
 

Steve

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Schnurrbart
Yeah, he is probably the leader of a sleeper cell just waiting to be president and then open the gates to let the faithful storm the capitol. How long before the swifties latch onto this?

While it could be disproved later,... it was the Clinton team that made the big stink about this.....Not the swifties....

Why blame republicans for a liberals' inability to be tolerant?
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Heres an e-mail I received today that is making the circles....Hillary takes no prisoners......

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Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white atheist from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.



When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.



Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, “He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.”



Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.



Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.



Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected presidential candidacy.
 

Red Robin

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Oldtimer said:
Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.



Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected presidential candidacy.
:lol: It's expedient and electable to be one, you just better not have any convictions based on your Christainity.
 

Texan

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If we're really lucky, Obama is serious about being President and is not actually running for a vice-president's job under hitlery. If he's really serious, maybe we can hope for a tough primary race between the two of them. That way, hitlery can alienate the black voters so that they will be pissed off and stay home in the general election instead of voting for her.

Therefore....I hope they get down and dirty. :lol:
 

aplusmnt

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Texan said:
If we're really lucky, Obama is serious about being President and is not actually running for a vice-president's job under hitlery. If he's really serious, maybe we can hope for a tough primary race between the two of them. That way, hitlery can alienate the black voters so that they will be p****d off and stay home in the general election instead of voting for her.

Therefore....I hope they get down and dirty. :lol:

I agree. I really think the Dem's will ruin their chances at winning in 08 during their fight for the Dem nomination. They smell blood in the water and think they have a good chance to win in 08 so they will be fighting down and dirty to get the nomination. Then once they dig the dirt up on each other it will be out there for the Republicans to scoot in on.

I look for a gentle fight on the Republicans side and a nasty dirty one for the Dem's. Just my hunch, time will tell.
 
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Anonymous

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Yep- But if I was old Obama I'd be a little worried...If things start looking too good for him he could end up dead in a gutter with a bullet hole in the back of his head- another victim of suicide......Hillery seems to have that effect on the people around her- a mysterious sudden depressional urge to end up dead :wink: :roll: ....

That woman will sell her soul and her first borns to become President...
 

Red Robin

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Oldtimer said:
Yep- But if I was old Obama I'd be a little worried...If things start looking too good for him he could end up dead in a gutter with a bullet hole in the back of his head- another victim of suicide......Hillery seems to have that effect on the people around her- a mysterious sudden depressional urge to end up dead :wink: :roll: ....

That woman will sell her soul and her first borns to become President...
:lol2: You're right oldtimer.
 

katrina

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Hillery won't get in the oval office...... I don't know who will yet. But she won't . She's got way to much baggage.....
 

Texan

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katrina said:
Hillery won't get in the oval office...... I don't know who will yet. But she won't . She's got way to much baggage.....
I sure hope you're right, katrina. I have to agree with OT that she will do whatever it takes to get there.
 

Cal

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By the time Hitlery is done, Obama might end up a prisoner at Gitmo...which wouldn't be all bad. As much as I don't like Hitlery, I'm pretty sure I'd pick her over Edwards any day of the week...not just pretty sure, but actually positive, Edwards is sickening IMNTBHO.
 
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