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Heres another article on wildlife and hunting-- fee and outfitter leased hunting ground which is getting to be the way a lot of land in Montana is going...

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/01/29/news/state/18-accessmap_z.txt

Heres another one on Montana's Block Management Program- which is what I have the river bottom land in...Altho I don't know for how long as the offers by the private outfitters to lease keep getting more lucrative every day....

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/01/29/news/state/21-accessmap_z.txt
 
I dont see any problem with charging to hunt. Everyone needs to make ends meet. Its when the complaints come from landowners about too many animals, and yet only allow pay hunting. thats not right.


Mr Passin
I guess i just tire of asking the same question to you without an answer. I got the Passin gas name from the political bull area. Thought it was funny. I guess you have no sense of humor. Im sure this is a pretty calm name, as you have been called worse im sure.

still waiting..............What programs do we cut? Maybe make licensing of farm equipment like combines, tractors and wagons manditory. That could help im betting.
 
still waiting..............What programs do we cut? Maybe make licensing of farm equipment like combines, tractors and wagons manditory. That could help im betting.
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I do not remember me saying anything about cuts or proposing anything that would require what you say. I will say this though if a item can not support itself then raise fees, not tax some other unconnected entity.



the Passin gas name from the political bull area. Thought it was funny. I guess you have no sense of humor. Im sure this is a pretty calm name, as you have been called worse im sure.
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Oh it was funny the first few times..............but it get a little lame when someone hasn't any more thought processes that they feel the need to regurgitate yesterdays news. I felt like it just showed that you did not want to discuss anything.
 
Whatever tickles your fancy...................................I thought maybe we should tax hunters on their IQ...............but decided that wouldn't work. We would have to pay em to hunt.
 
My Opinion

It's pure BULLSH!T for anybody to expect the state to reimburse us for deer hits, when we expect a person that hits a cow to pay me or a rancher. PERIOD....

As far as the pay for hunting goes, you ranchers wine now because of the deer population, wait until that half of the state is under pay for hunt contracts. You think GF&P mangement is back wards, what the hell do you think an outfitter will manage for??? The only thing that makes their business work is big genetics and big numbers!!!!!!
 
P Joe said:
My Opinion

It's pure BULLSH!T for anybody to expect the state to reimburse us for deer hits, when we expect a person that hits a cow to pay me or a rancher. PERIOD....

As far as the pay for hunting goes, you ranchers wine now because of the deer population, wait until that half of the state is under pay for hunt contracts. You think GF&P mangement is back wards, what the hell do you think an outfitter will manage for??? The only thing that makes their business work is big genetics and big numbers!!!!!!
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More money in leasing for hunting- and feeding the states wildlife than there is in running cattle in some areas.... :shock:
 
Oldtimer said:
More money in leasing for hunting- and feeding the states wildlife than there is in running cattle in some areas.... :shock:
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That may be perfectly true.

But don't coming crying on here when their are 500 deer eating your trees and you can't do a damn thing about it because you leggally can't shoot them in your own yard!
 
P Joe said:
Oldtimer said:
More money in leasing for hunting- and feeding the states wildlife than there is in running cattle in some areas.... :shock:
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That may be perfectly true.

But don't coming crying on here when their are 500 deer eating your trees and you can't do a damn thing about it because you leggally can't shoot them in your own yard!
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Thats not true--In Montana if they are in your haystacks or in your fields-doing damage to your property- and fish and game cannot or will not do something about it-- you can shoot them.. You can't use the meat or take any horns off them---just shoot and leave lay and let the fish and game come haul them off...
 
OT how do you get around the waton waste laws? Also if game fish knew you had a problem why wouldn't they come out to see if you have exclusion fencing up, before giving the green light to shoot at will?
 
Im sure you cant just start blazing away. There are procedures in place that you have to follow. Here in SD, there is a depredation pool. Hunters pay $5 to be in the pool and when a complaint comes in, the gfp calls the hunters and gives them "x" amount of tags. They are given a specific area to harvest the excess animals. I believe there are times the warden is there also. usually only happens when there is a bad winter. The gfp will come out and try to take care of the problem first, such as feeding the animals and or fencing the area to keep the animals out, but after that, they call in the hunters.

I heard rumor of the gfp even building a farmer a shed of some type to keep their hay in. I do know the farmer/rancher also has to have given permission to hunt also, in other words, tried to take care of the problem before it became a problem. I also heard the same farmer the gfp built a building for, got a bill in the mail a year or 2 later because they were not allowing hunting. I cant verify if its true or not, but i know the gfp will help when needed if you have tried to help your self along the way.,
 
Happy go lucky said:
OT how do you get around the waton waste laws? Also if game fish knew you had a problem why wouldn't they come out to see if you have exclusion fencing up, before giving the green light to shoot at will?
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Apparently our legislature/courts did not have total faith in our fish and game.... They have said that you have the right to protect your property from damage by wildlife...And yes - usually Fish and Game will come out- will give you material to fence your haypen (used to even fence them)- set up cracker scare guns and do lots of things...But if the problem is too bad they just tell you to start shooting-- they come around and haul off the carcasses when you get a stack....
Or if fish and game is ineffective or fails to act-- you just do it on your own...
I know our new fresh out of law school county attorney was having fits when he heard a guy 90 miles out in the boonies was just shooting them and leaving them, because fish and game was doing little because of the distance they had to travel- until I showed him the rulings on the law- and took him out to the area so he could see the damage they were doing....

I also informed him that this was much better for man or beast than what some old farmers were doing in years past of gutshooting them with a .22- where they would go off, suffer and die in the brush or off the property anyway... :shock:
 
Southdakotahunter said:
You would be in trouble if you didnt first try to contact the game and fish.
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I'm not sure if there has been a case on it...I know many that have shot a dozen or two deer off a stack and then called the Fish and Game afterward to come pick up and take care of their d*mn deer....Nothing was done to them...The only one that was tried to be charged was one rancher that cut a big rack off one deer he'd shot next to the stack--Fish and Game wanted to get a search warrent and go get it - and arrest the guy and drag him away- and I told them Bullpuckey....I called him up and he brought the horns in and gave them to fish and game- which still wanted to charge him- but I got that quashed pretty fast...His argument was that he picks up all horns laying in the stackyard to keep the dogs from dragging them aroud- causing him to poke holes in ultra expensive tractor and truck tires...And he had proof of a pretty good stack in his shop- which he showed me later.....

Remember Montana's Constitution gives a landowner/citizen more rights to protection of property/privacy than about any other state...The reason the openfields rule was essentially overturned and outlawed in Montana- except for the immediate protection of human life...
 
OT, I'm calling BS on this one my friend. I don't care how you think your state runs, to kill deer out of season, without the authority of your state violates many laws and you would loose in a heartbeat in any and I mean any court of law!
A shed is a far cry from killing a deer or multiple deer without a tag or prior approval and then cutting off horns and using the excuse you did it to keep tires from being deflated! No matter landowner or not your going down in a big way if the DA or CA wants to prosecute!
Wildlife is not owned by 1 person or 1 entity, it is owned by all of a state and federal species by all Americans! If a landowner is not making exclusionary methods and at least trying, just shoot first and call later is blatant against any states laws! Remember that the federal government supersedes all states and if they wanted they could do their own investigation on wanton waste! You would loose if they wanted to take it to court, unless you had prior approval from another government body!

Your walking a thin line with these methods don't care what state! As far as gut shooting well that takes alot of brains and foresite to do that and takes hunting back to the trun of the 1900's! Good god we live in the year 2000+ and with all available avenues that is the best some have? LOL. A pi** poor excuse for a problem and to say that shooting first and often then calling your game dpet is far better? Sorry they rank about the same in my book.
 
Well- Our state laws give the state of Montana control over their wildlife (no federal involvement unless your talking ducks and geese)-- and the state Constitution also gives that property owner a strong right to control and protect his property from trespass or loss...
I've worked with 2 county attornies that both agree that if the Fish and Game doesn't take action to prevent property damage- that even if the F&G tried citing someone on an out of season charge- they could never get a conviction with a jury trial.....Fish and Game has paid out a lot in damages costs over the years (some to me for hay lost) so that is one of the reasons they are usually anxious to remedy the problem as quickly as they can....And many folks around here now have deerproof hay pens built, courtesy of the F&G....

And the F&G know this- so unless you get a pr*ck District Supervisor they will usually give you kill permits (or used to be just a verbal go ahead)...They want you to gut these deer and then notify fish and game after shot- few do gut them (who wants to gut out 20-30 deer after you just shot them off your stacks) - just call F&G and let them come do it if they want to...They gave out some to the poor- or whoever wanted them- but I remember a couple of winters when they couldn't give enough away- or get to all the places folks were shooting them, so only came around about once a week to pick up the ones they could see sticking out of the snow....

I've seen 100's of deer shot- piled up or left to lay around the stacks or fields for the Fish and Game to come get.... But you have to remember- in one 10 mile stretch of the River flown last year- they counted 4,000 deer that were visible in the fields beside the river- and probably twice as many or more were not visible in the brush....

Happy-- we have many towns and small cities around Montana- where they have the Police and/or Police and F&G shooting the deer in town during the winters- because they've become such a nuisance/traffic/pedestrian hazard...Then if you have a really bad winter- the antelope are even worse- they move into town and die on the streets and in yards by the hundreds.....
 
I gotta say I'll give OT the benefit of the dought here. But here is why, OT has said he has land in the block management program, and from what I gather OT has a pretty decent relationship with his fish and game department.

BUT HERE IN SD, I don't feel a damn bit sorry for any rancher\farmer that doesn't allow hunting, or leases to an outfitter for any lose. I don't think we should help them out 1 i ota. If you have a problem, invite some people on. Neighbors, friends, locals, heaven forbid "east river" people and get them shot off. If you are not willing to do that, then I'm not willing to let me tax\hunting dollars help you out! :!:
 
Oldtimer from reading your last few posts, I would assume and you have probably said you were the Sheriff. If that is correct, you evidently took your job and oathe seriouly. Jurisdiction meant something to you.
 
SJ said:
Oldtimer from reading your last few posts, I would assume and you have probably said you were the Sheriff. If that is correct, you evidently took your job and oathe seriouly. Jurisdiction meant something to you.
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I felt it imperative to follow my oath to obey the Constitution and protect everyones rights especially those of private property rights and privacy-- and a persons right to be secure in their own homes (property)....And as Sheriff, you are the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the County- and I feel it is your duty to guarantee these rights are enforced evenly thruout the county....

Fish and Game and Highway Patrol did not always agree with me- but I really didn't care :wink: :lol:
 
Oldtimer
Fish and Game and Highway Patrol did not always agree with me- but I really didn't care
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You didn't have to care it was under your jurisdiction--- by the people(their vote) for the people (your oath).

I wish there were more like you.
 

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