hypocritexposer said:Oldtimer said:Guiding the evolving U.S. counterterrorism policies: White House counterterrorism adviser John O. Brennan is compiling a “playbook” that will lay out the administration’s evolving procedures for the targeted killings that have come to define its fight against al-Qaeda and its affiliates.
The memos outline the case for the targeted killing of U.S. citizens in counterterror operations overseas.
It says that such determinations can be made by an “informed, high-level official of the U.S. government.”
I still have no problem with this... This is no different than trying a person in abstentia- which is common practice with international tribunals/courts because international suspects are not easily apprehended and was used during the Nuremberg War Crimes trials....
You still have officials/tribunal making decisions based on prescribed protocol and procedure and on evidence presented just like a judge does.... Maybe they should have a special court of Judges doing it to give it more credence -- but trying to get a judge when opportunity presents itself could end up like Clinton and Osama- with Osama getting away...
And historically we have had Judges issuing Dead or Alive warrants based on probable cause for many years past... And those were for US citizens- inside the boundaries of the U.S.- that were deemed to be an imminent danger to the citizenry- and needed to be taken out at any cost...
but detention without trial, was a "war crime", correct?
loomixguy said:NOBODY talks out of both sides of his mouth like Old JibberJabber... :roll: :roll:
Oldtimer said:hypocritexposer said:Oldtimer said:I still have no problem with this... This is no different than trying a person in abstentia- which is common practice with international tribunals/courts because international suspects are not easily apprehended and was used during the Nuremberg War Crimes trials....
You still have officials/tribunal making decisions based on prescribed protocol and procedure and on evidence presented just like a judge does.... Maybe they should have a special court of Judges doing it to give it more credence -- but trying to get a judge when opportunity presents itself could end up like Clinton and Osama- with Osama getting away...
And historically we have had Judges issuing Dead or Alive warrants based on probable cause for many years past... And those were for US citizens- inside the boundaries of the U.S.- that were deemed to be an imminent danger to the citizenry- and needed to be taken out at any cost...
but detention without trial, was a "war crime", correct?
Apples to Oranges...
The person in indefinite custody presents no imminent danger to anyone- and can easily be allowed access to the guarantees of our Constitution-- which the SCOTUS said is either a trial or military tribunal- and periodic rehearings...
smalltime said:So what are you gonna do about it?
smalltime said:So what are you gonna do about it?
Oldtimer said:smalltime said:So what are you gonna do about it?
Good question smalltime... What do all you "anti-everything" folks think we should do with these US citizens that have joined up with Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations and that we have evidence of are living in foreign countries not too friendly to us, and assisting, planning, and promoting more attacks on American personnel, property and/or soil... :???:
Should we just let them be as long as they are in another country- which means we may allow them to succeed with another 9/11 type attack... :???:
Do we still have a "war on terrorism" going on :???:
April 23, 2102 Today, the National Journal reported that a senior State Department official has announced, “The war on terror is over.”
Mike said:Oldtimer said:smalltime said:So what are you gonna do about it?
Good question smalltime... What do all you "anti-everything" folks think we should do with these US citizens that have joined up with Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations and that we have evidence of are living in foreign countries not too friendly to us, and assisting, planning, and promoting more attacks on American personnel, property and/or soil... :???:
Should we just let them be as long as they are in another country- which means we may allow them to succeed with another 9/11 type attack... :???:
Do we still have a "war on terrorism" going on :???:
Not according to the Buckwheat State Dept.;
April 23, 2102 Today, the National Journal reported that a senior State Department official has announced, “The war on terror is over.”
President Obama’s War Report: War on Terror in Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, “Various Other Locations,” U.S. Forces in Central Africa, Egypt, Kosovo, on the High Seas
Ed Krayewski| Dec. 18, 2012 7:55 pm
President Obama’s latest war powers report to Congress provides the most recent round-up of officially acknowledged U.S. military operations around the world. As in the last war powers report, the war on terror remains worldwide and indefinite, with the bulk of forces engaged in Afghanistan (where the president explains the U.N. has extended its authorization until October 2013).
Oldtimer said:Mike said:Oldtimer said:Good question smalltime... What do all you "anti-everything" folks think we should do with these US citizens that have joined up with Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations and that we have evidence of are living in foreign countries not too friendly to us, and assisting, planning, and promoting more attacks on American personnel, property and/or soil... :???:
Should we just let them be as long as they are in another country- which means we may allow them to succeed with another 9/11 type attack... :???:
Do we still have a "war on terrorism" going on :???:
Not according to the Buckwheat State Dept.;
April 23, 2102 Today, the National Journal reported that a senior State Department official has announced, “The war on terror is over.”
Must have been Hillary's janitor-- as he apparently didn't get it right...
President Obama’s War Report: War on Terror in Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, “Various Other Locations,” U.S. Forces in Central Africa, Egypt, Kosovo, on the High Seas
Ed Krayewski| Dec. 18, 2012 7:55 pm
President Obama’s latest war powers report to Congress provides the most recent round-up of officially acknowledged U.S. military operations around the world. As in the last war powers report, the war on terror remains worldwide and indefinite, with the bulk of forces engaged in Afghanistan (where the president explains the U.N. has extended its authorization until October 2013).
John Owen Brennan (born September 22, 1955) is chief counterterrorism advisor to U.S. President Barack Obama; officially his title is Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President.[2][3][5] His responsibilities include overseeing plans to protect the country from terrorism and respond to natural disasters, and he meets with the President daily.[6][7] Previously, he advised Obama on foreign policy and intelligence issues during the 2008 presidential campaign and transition.[8] Brennan withdrew his name from consideration for Director of the CIA in the first Obama administration over concerns about his support for the use of torture by the CIA under President George W. Bush.[3][6] Instead, Brennan was appointed Deputy National Security Advisor, a position which did not require Senate confirmation.[3][6][9]
Brennan's 25 years with the CIA included work as a Near East and South Asia analyst, as station chief in Saudi Arabia, and as director of the National Counterterrorism Center.[3][6][10] After leaving government service in 2005, Brennan became CEO of The Analysis Corporation, a security consulting business, and served as chairman of the Intelligence and National Security Alliance, an association of intelligence professionals.[11]
President Obama nominated Brennan as his next director of the Central Intelligence Agency during the afternoon of January 7, 2013.[12][13] The ACLU called for the Senate to not proceed with the appointment until it confirms that "all of his conduct was within the law" at the CIA and White House.[14]
Oldtimer said:smalltime said:So what are you gonna do about it?
Good question smalltime... What do all you "anti-everything" folks think we should do with these US citizens that have joined up with Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations and that we have evidence of are living in foreign countries not too friendly to us, and assisting, planning, and promoting more attacks on American personnel, property and/or soil... :???:
Should we just let them be as long as they are in another country- which means we may allow them to succeed with another 9/11 type attack... :???:
Do we still have a "war on terrorism" going on :???:
I've heard a lot of your namecalling rants- but now I'm curious to your views on how to handle the problem...
Oldtimer said:Oldtimer said:smalltime said:So what are you gonna do about it?
Good question smalltime... What do all you "anti-everything" folks think we should do with these US citizens that have joined up with Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations and that we have evidence of are living in foreign countries not too friendly to us, and assisting, planning, and promoting more attacks on American personnel, property and/or soil... :???:
Should we just let them be as long as they are in another country- which means we may allow them to succeed with another 9/11 type attack... :???:
Do we still have a "war on terrorism" going on :???:
I've heard a lot of your namecalling rants- but now I'm curious to your views on how to handle the problem...
So Mike- now that you've tried to change the subject-- do you have a solution?
Oldtimer said:Should we just let them be as long as they are in another country- which means we may allow them to succeed with another 9/11 type attack... :???:
Do we still have a "war on terrorism" going on :???:
I've heard a lot of your namecalling rants- but now I'm curious to your views on how to handle the problem...