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kolanuraven said:
Honestly, I really don't care . If people won't help themselves, I don't care. I just despise the arrogance of " it won't happen to me" or " I have 'natural' immunity' thinkers. They are they very ones clogging up the hospitals today
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You don't care about individual freedom that's apparent! That's the mind boggling thing about liberals to me. Y'all scream about freedom to have control over a woman's body with abortion. Y'all scream about freedom to use marijuana. Y'all scream about freedom to identity as any gender. Y'all scream about freedom to allow anyone immigrate into the country. And then y'all loose your minds when some of us, under 25% of the population by the way, want to have the freedom to decide to be vaccinated or not? I'm amazed that as a history teacher you are not more astute to what socialism does to every country that embraces it? You say you don't care, but the man y'all elected to be president sure cares! He cares so much he is destroying this country one mandate at a time.
 
damengineer said:
A lot of the infected people were infected by the vaccinated who were carrying the disease but not experiencing symptoms. The variant hit harder because of the vaccinated ones.... it will run its course as it did in the Spanish Flu. It will take longer because this one is man made or weaponized instead of natural... It also will be exploited by all the globalists and the UN. If you cannot see what is hapening all over the world, you are blind. Austrailia was the only other country that came close to the USA in freedom and liberty. It has been locked down and is under a totaliarian regime now. Our 2nd Amendment is all that keeps us from another Holocaust...
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I don't go for the " conspiracy" like yourself. But, hey what ever floats your boat
 
leanin' H said:
You don't care about individual freedom that's apparent! That's the mind boggling thing about liberals to me. Y'all scream about freedom to have control over a woman's body with abortion. Y'all scream about freedom to use marijuana. Y'all scream about freedom to identity as any gender. Y'all scream about freedom to allow anyone immigrate into the country. And then y'all loose your minds when some of us, under 25% of the population by the way, want to have the freedom to decide to be vaccinated or not? I'm amazed that as a history teacher you are not more astute to what socialism does to every country that embraces it? You say you don't care, but the man y'all elected to be president sure cares! He cares so much he is destroying this country one mandate at a time.
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It's not YOUR freedom that is the rub.

Let's say you are asymptomatic-no symptoms at all.

You, feeling pretty good, go all around on your errands for this and that. You have been spreading your infection and broaching the ' freedom' of those people you just came in contact with, who just had no say in if they wanted to be infected or not. Some of those people could die, all because of you and your selfish ways or as you call them your " freedoms".

" under 25%" statement is pure bullshite. You let 25% of your cattle herd keep a disease among themselves or do you vaccinate /doctor up the offending bovine?

Would you want someone infecting you or your family this way?

Conservatives, it's all about the "me" aspect of things.
 
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kolanuraven said:
It's not YOUR freedom that is the rub.

Let's say you are asymptomatic-no symptoms at all.

You, feeling pretty good, go all around on your errands for this and that. You have been spreading your infection and broaching the ' freedom' of those people you just came in contact with, who just had no say in if they wanted to be infected or not. Some of those people could die, all because of you and your selfish ways or as you call them your " freedoms".

" under 25%" statement is pure bullshite. You let 25% of your cattle herd keep a disease among themselves or do you vaccinate /doctor up the offending bovine?

Would you want someone infecting you or your family this way?

Conservatives, it's all about the "me" aspect of things.
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Vaccinated people can and do spread covid. Since 75% of the nation is vaccinated guess who exposes more people than the unvaccinated 25%? I take it you didn't teach math???😁
I don't expose anyone. I social distance and stay away from people. Just because you happen to live in an ant hill of people population wise, stop assuming we all do!!!! There are weeks the only people I see can be counted on two hands. Your own life is all any liberal can see or even imagine! One size never fits all Kola!!!!
 
kolanuraven said:
It is shown that ' natural' immunity does exist but wanes after a period of time. That's why you get a flu shot every year as it doesn't stay the same and mutates, as does Covid. To boost your immunity she'd have to get Covid again, OR get a immunization.
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Who says that natural immunity wanes after a period of time? And how long is that period? The scientist that you choose to believe? Because the doctors and scientists who I choose to believe say it far out lasts the vaccine. They are now saying that those who are vaccinated need another booster. So how long is the vaccine effective for? There are certainly people who are mistaken and others who are flat out lying. I think a person needs to follow the money. Those mostly closely connected to big pharma are the ones most likely to be lying. Because this whole thing is lining some people's pocket very well.
 
I read where it cost $88 per vaccine, so it's not really FREE as some like to think. We, in the real world, know nothing is free.
Someone is making big bucks off this. Guess who?

The question is, what does being vaccinated do for you, really? Now they are saying vaccinated people should still wear a mask, should get a second and even third vaccination. This is just craziness and loss of another freedom. They want to force us to get vaccinated to the point they are paying people to do so. I just read where they are ceasing delivering babies in a hospital because the staff is walking out because the vaccine mandate. I know doctors who threaten to quit because of the vaccine mandate. Not everyone is lining up for the vaccine, regardless of what liberals wants. I know a couple of LIBERAL ladies who are getting their THIRD vaccination, yet are going to AZ and one to Old Mexico this winter.

How about all the unvetted illegals pouring into this country? I notice Kola hasn't mentioned them.
 
webfoot said:
Who says that natural immunity wanes after a period of time? And how long is that period? The scientist that you choose to believe? Because the doctors and scientists who I choose to believe say it far out lasts the vaccine. They are now saying that those who are vaccinated need another booster. So how long is the vaccine effective for? There are certainly people who are mistaken and others who are flat out lying. I think a person needs to follow the money. Those mostly closely connected to big pharma are the ones most likely to be lying. Because this whole thing is lining some people's pocket very well.
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There is no such thing as natural immunity. You are not born with immunity to anything. The only way to gain immunity is via the actual disease and surviving OR innoculation. Guess you failed science
 
leanin' H said:
Vaccinated people can and do spread covid. Since 75% of the nation is vaccinated guess who exposes more people than the unvaccinated 25%? I take it you didn't teach math???😁
I don't expose anyone. I social distance and stay away from people. Just because you happen to live in an ant hill of people population wise, stop assuming we all do!!!! There are weeks the only people I see can be counted on two hands. Your own life is all any liberal can see or even imagine! One size never fits all Kola!!!!
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Show me your data.
 
Faster horses said:
I read where it cost $88 per vaccine, so it's not really FREE as some like to think. We, in the real world, know nothing is free.
Someone is making big bucks off this. Guess who?

The question is, what does being vaccinated do for you, really? Now they are saying vaccinated people should still wear a mask, should get a second and even third vaccination. This is just craziness and loss of another freedom. They want to force us to get vaccinated to the point they are paying people to do so. I just read where they are ceasing delivering babies in a hospital because the staff is walking out because the vaccine mandate. I know doctors who threaten to quit because of the vaccine mandate. Not everyone is lining up for the vaccine, regardless of what liberals wants. I know a couple of LIBERAL ladies who are getting their THIRD vaccination, yet are going to AZ and one to Old Mexico this winter.

How about all the unvetted illegals pouring into this country? I notice Kola hasn't mentioned them.
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You are free to get sick and die. Go right ahead. But damn you if you in your ignorance and arrogance make others sick along the way.
 
kolanuraven said:
There is no such thing as natural immunity. You are not born with immunity to anything. The only way to gain immunity is via the actual disease and surviving OR innoculation. Guess you failed science
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Oh but you are born with natural immunity. Just like a calf. What do you think the first colostrum is for?
 
kolanuraven said:
Show me your data.
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I did Kola. It's basic math. If vaccinated folks were free from wearing masks and social distancing that would mean they cannot get or spread covid. But Fauci and Biden want everyone wearing masks. Therefore the 75%, which is a greater number than 25%, spread the virus more. Use your fingers and toes or use a calculator. It's not difficult. 75 is three times larger than 25. Three times more people spreading the virus. I choose to wear a mask around my parents or others because I'm not vaccinated. Not sure how well it helps but according to Fauci and Biden you should be applauding me. In our little valley we have 350 people. Zero deaths. I know of nine neighbors over the age of 65 who got covid and recovered. I also know of three people who have died of cancer and one of old age here where I live in the past year. But you keep screaming about the covid sky falling. People are getting sick and dying from it. But that's part of life. Freedom trumps fear. At least for me.

How about you refute the Post by Big Muddy where India with a population over a billion has less cases and deaths than the US? How is that possible?
 
leanin' H said:
I did Kola. It's basic math. If vaccinated folks were free from wearing masks and social distancing that would mean they cannot get or spread covid. But Fauci and Biden want everyone wearing masks. Therefore the 75%, which is a greater number than 25%, spread the virus more. Use your fingers and toes or use a calculator. It's not difficult. 75 is three times larger than 25. Three times more people spreading the virus. I choose to wear a mask around my parents or others because I'm not vaccinated. Not sure how well it helps but according to Fauci and Biden you should be applauding me. In our little valley we have 350 people. Zero deaths. I know of nine neighbors over the age of 65 who got covid and recovered. I also know of three people who have died of cancer and one of old age here where I live in the past year. But you keep screaming about the covid sky falling. People are getting sick and dying from it. But that's part of life. Freedom trumps fear. At least for me.

How about you refute the Post by Big Muddy where India with a population over a billion has less cases and deaths than the US? How is that possible?
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No...you TOLD me. Data...data...data...
 
And Kola, I am not vilifying you for choosing to get the vaccine. Do as you feel is best. It's very apparent that you and I live in very different areas and have very different views. That used to be the wonderful thing about living in America. We could disagree and respect each other and all our rights. But the movement toward socialism has taken away many of those rights.
 

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