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Horrid Details Within "ObamaCare"

Mike

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Horrid details emerge on Obamacare legislation
July 20, 3:06 PM
Comment ShareThisRSS Email Print As the time draws near for our illustrious elected officials in Congress to vote on Barack Obama's multi-trillion dollar program for socialized medicine, horrid details are beginning to emerge concerning the provisions of the bill.

Unusual, wouldn't you say, given that the lunatics running the asylum in Congress are prone to passing legislation without even reading it first.

But this time the citizens are reading whether Congress does or not.

And the news is not good.

FlecksofLife.com has done a yeoman's work in analyzing the first 400 pages of the mammoth bill. The website is determined to make its way through the entire thing, posting the details of the plan online so that ALL citizens can see for themselves just what America got itself into when they allowed Barack Obama to take the White House and liberal Democrats to control Congress.

Let's take a look at some of the details, directly from the written bill itself.

On page 399 of the bill, the legislation states that if you are a subsidy-eligible individual under Medicare Part D, the government will automatically enroll you in the new socialized plan, complete with rationed care. In other words, you have no choice. You cannot keep your current plan. Obama lied about 'maintaining choice.'

On page 341, lines 3-9, the government is given the authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into the government's socialized plan.

And here is the smoking gun from the legislation that should cause all Americans to take pause and allow the chill to go up their spines. I quote directly from the plan:

Page 335, Lines 16-25, Pages 336-339 – Government mandates the establishment of 'outcome based measures.'
What does this mean, exactly, in laymen's terms? Rationing. 'Outcomes based measures' means that the the type of care that is given is based upon a statistical consideration of just how likely or unlikely you may be to gain longterm benefit from such care. Much of this is an inexact science which relies heavily upon individual needs and circumstances, which only a patient and their doctor can determine. But here, you won't have that luxury. Neither will your doctor.

Who sets the standard and makes these determinations? The government...from a centralized databank hundreds or thousands of miles away.

But let's go further, shall we?

In the bill currently before Congress, the government will mandate how hospitals and doctors conduct business. Government will dictate to doctors how much they can own, and prevent hospitals from expanding! These provisions are found on pages 317-319 of the bill.

Yet another smoking gun contained in Obamacare is the complete decimation of the right to privacy. Under the proposed legislation, you have no right to medical privacy. Government collection of your records will be 'expedited' and they will have the authority to share your private information with anyone they see fit. (Page 304, Lines 17-19).

Are you concerned about long waiting lines for your care, as is true in Canada, Great Britain, and other nations with 'socialized medicine?' Here's one just for you. On page 287 the bill mandates a waiting period if you need to be readmitted to a hospital due to an illness or injury, regardless of how serious your condition may be. If they don't get it right the first time, you will have to wait to get re-treated.

Two more horrifying items from the bill are worth mentioning before we take a break from this murderous monstrosity taken straight from the pages of Hitler's Nazis, Stalin's Commies, and Mussolini's fascists.

One, on page 253, lines 10-18, the government places an arbitrary value on your doctor's time, professional judgments, and upon human life in general. Your government will then see you as nothing more than a dollar figure when it comes to your healthcare.

And on page 265, Section 1131, the government will place limits/mandates on private healthcare corporations, slapping on something it calls 'productivity controls.' The ultimate goal, of course, is to drive them out of business, and this merely gets the job done faster.

For the full analysis and information concerning Obamacare, I encourage you to monitor FleckofLife.com. The citizens desperately need to know what their government is getting ready to do under their noses, compliments of 'The One' and his minions.
 

hypocritexposer

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Yet another smoking gun contained in Obamacare is the complete decimation of the right to privacy. Under the proposed legislation, you have no right to medical privacy. Government collection of your records will be 'expedited' and they will have the authority to share your private information with anyone they see fit. (Page 304, Lines 17-19).

I believe GE has the rights to the Medical records computer program.
 

cowman52

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If you ever signed a DNR at a hospital, That is exactly what the American people are being told that some bean counter will do when you need a procedure :???: :???:
 

aplusmnt

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hypocritexposer said:
Yet another smoking gun contained in Obamacare is the complete decimation of the right to privacy. Under the proposed legislation, you have no right to medical privacy. Government collection of your records will be 'expedited' and they will have the authority to share your private information with anyone they see fit. (Page 304, Lines 17-19).

I believe GE has the rights to the Medical records computer program.

Any chance Obama and GE have some connection?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
OT, do you think this is the change that US citizens want with their health care?

I don't know how they can be saying this is the "Health Care plan"- as only one bill (Dodd/Kennedy) has even cleared one house of Congress- the Senate... The House bill is still in the hearing process (as I watched some of the hearings last night in Waxmans committee)- and the Senates Finance committee (Baucus Grassley bipartisan) bill hasn't even been voted on by anyone yet....

Much of what is coming out now is fearmongering- backed by Zillions $ of an industry- the health care insurance industry- that doesn't want to lose their Golden Goose monopoly control over raping and pillaging the American public...

The final bill will probably be a comingling of compromises of all the bills..

I watched a lot of the hearings on Health Care Reform- and heard many, many of the Repubs state that the alternative of doing nothing does not exist...The country cannot continue the status quo....
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
OT, do you think this is the change that US citizens want with their health care?

I don't know how they can be saying this is the "Health Care plan"- as only one bill (Dodd/Kennedy) has even cleared one house of Congress- the Senate... The House bill is still in the hearing process (as I watched some of the hearings last night in Waxmans committee)- and the Senates Finance committee (Baucus Grassley bipartisan) bill hasn't even been voted on by anyone yet....

Much of what is coming out now is fearmongering- backed by Zillions $ of an industry- the health care insurance industry- that doesn't want to lose their Golden Goose monopoly control over raping and pillaging the American public...

The final bill will probably be a comingling of compromises of all the bills..

I watched a lot of the hearings on Health Care Reform- and heard many, many of the Repubs state that the alternative of doing nothing does not exist...The country cannot continue the status quo....

You didn't answer the question. Is the above the change that people want?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
OT, do you think this is the change that US citizens want with their health care?

I don't know how they can be saying this is the "Health Care plan"- as only one bill (Dodd/Kennedy) has even cleared one house of Congress- the Senate... The House bill is still in the hearing process (as I watched some of the hearings last night in Waxmans committee)- and the Senates Finance committee (Baucus Grassley bipartisan) bill hasn't even been voted on by anyone yet....

Much of what is coming out now is fearmongering- backed by Zillions $ of an industry- the health care insurance industry- that doesn't want to lose their Golden Goose monopoly control over raping and pillaging the American public...

The final bill will probably be a comingling of compromises of all the bills..

I watched a lot of the hearings on Health Care Reform- and heard many, many of the Repubs state that the alternative of doing nothing does not exist...The country cannot continue the status quo....

You didn't answer the question. Is the above the change that people want?

Its not the change they were told they would get...But I do know that if Repubs jump into bed again with the insurance companies- and pharmaceutical/medical industry- and the public doesn't get some major reform in the health care and especially the health care insurance industry- it will not matter what Obama does in the next couple of years as you will see the Dems getting even more control...

It was in 08 and still is now- the number one issue concerning the US public/voters next to the economy...

And when McCain introduced his amendment allowing US citizens to buy cheaper foreign drugs- and old Enzi about swallowed his tongue- and every Repub voted against it- it appeared to me they are again putting these lobbies ahead of the American people... :(
 

Texan

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aplusmnt said:
hypocritexposer said:
Yet another smoking gun contained in Obamacare is the complete decimation of the right to privacy. Under the proposed legislation, you have no right to medical privacy. Government collection of your records will be 'expedited' and they will have the authority to share your private information with anyone they see fit. (Page 304, Lines 17-19).

I believe GE has the rights to the Medical records computer program.

Any chance Obama and GE have some connection?
Are you suggesting that this President would have some connection with a corporate FATCAT? How dare you!

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/04/08/ges-immelt-backs-obama/
 

MsSage

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But I do know that if Repubs jump into bed again with the insurance companies- and pharmaceutical/medical industry-


After years as a top state and federal healthcare official, Nancy-Ann DeParle turned her attention to the business of medicine, serving as a board member for more than a dozen companies and managing a private equity portfolio over the last eight years.

In 2006 and 2007 alone, DeParle collected at least $3.5 million in fees and the sale or awards of stock from healthcare firms, according to regulatory filings.

Who is jumping in bed with WHOM?????? :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
OT, "Its not the change they were told they would get..."

Then why do you support this clown? How many lies does he have to tell?

This isn't "the clowns" plan- like I tried to point out- this is just one of many bills (that had sections from both parties added/deleted) on health care that will be used to form the final bill/plan...

And when they get finished I doubt that anyone will get everything they want- but thats how laws are made in a multiple party country....
 

Cal

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cowman52 said:
If you ever signed a DNR at a hospital, That is exactly what the American people are being told that some bean counter will do when you need a procedure :???: :???:
Hmmmm....will need a slogan......like: Obama lied; people died
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
OT, "Its not the change they were told they would get..."

Then why do you support this clown? How many lies does he have to tell?

This isn't "the clowns" plan- like I tried to point out- this is just one of many bills (that had sections from both parties added/deleted) on health care that will be used to form the final bill/plan...

And when they get finished I doubt that anyone will get everything they want- but thats how laws are made in a multiple party country....

This is what your boy wants passed before anybody has a chance to read it.
 

Cal

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Sandhusker said:
OT, do you think this is the change that US citizens want with their health care?

I don't know how they can be saying this is the "Health Care plan"- as only one bill (Dodd/Kennedy) has even cleared one house of Congress- the Senate... The House bill is still in the hearing process (as I watched some of the hearings last night in Waxmans committee)- and the Senates Finance committee (Baucus Grassley bipartisan) bill hasn't even been voted on by anyone yet....

Much of what is coming out now is fearmongering- backed by Zillions $ of an industry- the health care insurance industry- that doesn't want to lose their Golden Goose monopoly control over raping and pillaging the American public...

The final bill will probably be a comingling of compromises of all the bills..

I watched a lot of the hearings on Health Care Reform- and heard many, many of the Repubs state that the alternative of doing nothing does not exist...The country cannot continue the status quo....
Obama was on the radio today saying that it has to be passed....like....right away. I can't believe that it's anything but a half-assed clusterf....., and the thought of it being ram rodded through, like the totally dubious stimulous plan, is idiotic. What else could we expect, though?
 
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