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House Judiciary chairman subpoenas Karl Rove

Tex

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Former presidents don't have the veto power.

RM, although the legal reasoning for dismissing U.S. attorneys under Clinton, all of the appointments had to come out of the Judiciary committee in the Senate unless they happened when the Senate was not in session. I would totally agree with you that the Judiciary Committee in the Senate has not been doing its job in protecting our democracy.

While Conyers is playing the political card with Rove, which I don't mind at all, it does take time away from the committee to do the real things it should be doing like unseating members of the judiciary who were obviously put there to pay off political debts to industry by not enforcing laws like the Packers and Stockyards Act. The members of the Senate Judiciary have been the most culpable in undermining justice in our democracy for their own personal benefit.
 

Mike

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Conyers is a racist bigot in every sense of the word. He should be working to clean up the mess the blacks have caused in Detroit and the rest of Michigan instead of this fishing expedition. :mad:
 

Steve

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On June 29, 2006, a federal jury found both Siegelman and Scrushy guilty on seven of the 33 counts in the indictment. Siegelman was convicted on "one count of bribery, one count of conspiracy to commit honest services mail fraud, four counts of honest services mail fraud and one count of obstruction of justice", according to a press release from the U.S. Department of Justice.

while the saying "Where there is smoke, there is fire", comes to mind... the jury convicted him,.. yet he is still free?

not to change the subject from Rove/Bush bashing. But destroying political enemies seems to be the norm for the prosecutors no matter which party they favor...
yet maybe some one could explain the prosecution of Delay... and if this doesn't fall into the category of "some one should look at this prosecutor" as well...

Earle is continuing to pursue felony the money-laundering charges against DeLay and two campaign associates.

While Earle recently announced that he will not be seeking re-election, he stated that, "There are particular cases pending that are enormously important to this state, this country, and democracy itself. If they are not resolved during the forthcoming last year of my term I will offer my assistance on those matters on a pro bono basis to my successor."

now Earle sounds a bit vindictive if you ask me..

In response to a motion to dismiss his initial indictment, Earle sought a second indictment of DeLay from a second grand jury. That jury refused to indict. Contrary to normal Texas procedure, a "no bill" document was not publicly released, and no public announcement was made regarding the result until after Earle had presented evidence to a third grand jury and obtained an indictment.

but overall both seem a big waste of time and tax money when the senate is confirming a known tax cheat...
 

RobertMac

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Correct, Steve....Earle kept fishing until he found a grand jury to go along with his indictment(bogus to the other two grand juries)...but the liberals here have no problem with that?!?!?!?!
And if I remember right, what Delay was doing was legal at the time he was doing it...then the law changed...kind of like a city putting up a new stop sign, then writing you a handful of tickets for running a stop sign that wasn't there!! :???: :???:
 

Tex

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RobertMac said:
Correct, Steve....Earle kept fishing until he found a grand jury to go along with his indictment(bogus to the other two grand juries)...but the liberals here have no problem with that?!?!?!?!
And if I remember right, what Delay was doing was legal at the time he was doing it...then the law changed...kind of like a city putting up a new stop sign, then writing you a handful of tickets for running a stop sign that wasn't there!! :???: :???:

Being legal or not is not the question for me, RM. Delay sold out the public interest for his own and more than once. It has become the norm on capital hill especially with the pay to play rules the republicans implemented. I think a lot more of them are guilty than we really know---on both sides of the aisle. That is no excuse to do nothing. It is too bad we have such a poor political system that we hold so few of them responsible. It is part of the reason we are in the mess we are in today.
 

RobertMac

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Tex said:
...pay to play rules the republicans implemented.
Just one word to say to you, Tex....Blago!!! The scary part is that Obama is from the same "Democrat political machine".
There is plenty of corruption to go around in both parties. The question is...who is going to clean it up? The news media is suppose to be "the people's" watch dog, but they mainly look for Republicans wrong doings and largely give Democrats a pass. Nobody should be ignorant enough to think corruption is in only one party.

Alice, did you ever hope Bush would have a successful term as President?
 

alice

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RobertMac said:
Tex said:
...pay to play rules the republicans implemented.
Just one word to say to you, Tex....Blago!!! The scary part is that Obama is from the same "Democrat political machine".
There is plenty of corruption to go around in both parties. The question is...who is going to clean it up? The news media is suppose to be "the people's" watch dog, but they mainly look for Republicans wrong doings and largely give Democrats a pass. Nobody should be ignorant enough to think corruption is in only one party.

Alice, did you ever hope Bush would have a successful term as President?

Yes I did...for our country's sake I surely did!

Alice
 

RobertMac

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alice said:
RobertMac said:
Tex said:
...pay to play rules the republicans implemented.
Just one word to say to you, Tex....Blago!!! The scary part is that Obama is from the same "Democrat political machine".
There is plenty of corruption to go around in both parties. The question is...who is going to clean it up? The news media is suppose to be "the people's" watch dog, but they mainly look for Republicans wrong doings and largely give Democrats a pass. Nobody should be ignorant enough to think corruption is in only one party.

Alice, did you ever hope Bush would have a successful term as President?

Yes I did...for our country's sake I surely did!

Alice
For our country's sake, I hope Obama/Reid/Pelosi's socialist policies fail.
 

Tex

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RobertMac said:
Tex said:
...pay to play rules the republicans implemented.
Just one word to say to you, Tex....Blago!!! The scary part is that Obama is from the same "Democrat political machine".
There is plenty of corruption to go around in both parties. The question is...who is going to clean it up? The news media is suppose to be "the people's" watch dog, but they mainly look for Republicans wrong doings and largely give Democrats a pass. Nobody should be ignorant enough to think corruption is in only one party.

Alice, did you ever hope Bush would have a successful term as President?

RM, the media is all over Blago so your theory of the media being "on the side of dems" is just not correct.

I don't think the media is nearly the force in our democracy they should be and was happy to see them buck even Obama's canned news releases. I hope that time is over.

I don't give either the repubs or dems a pass on ethics behavior because of party because there are sell out elements in both as you happen to know with Senator Thad Cochrane from your state. Corruption is an equal opportunity employer and it has been at full employment in our government for some time. I hope they get rid of more of the crooks in politics and I don't care what party they are from. More of the "good guys" need to get out the word of the crooks in their own party in both the dems and republican parties.

If Obama allows underlings who are supposed to heading the government agencies like the USDA do corrupt things like Bush and his Senator minions like Cochrane and his Sec. of Agricultures did, I will be against that too.

Stop thinking any party has a hand up on ethics just because they say they do. Start looking at their actions and you will know.

The republicans have a long way to go to get my trust back because they have been for the shenigans of big business (pakcers) who have been paying them off. They have forgotten how to honestly run a count (look at Phil Gramm. ) and have looked at running the country for themselves and their campaign contributors. There are some dems who are doing the same.
 

RobertMac

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Tex said:
RM, the media is all over Blago so your theory of the media being "on the side of dems" is just not correct.
Wrong, anybody with an open mind can see the difference in the way the MSM handles conservatives and liberal Democrats. Look at the way the media looked into Palin's past(but couldn't find any wrong doing) and the lack of investigation into Obama's past...which would have lead them to the Blago issue. the real question there is...why was the investigation stopped early????? After all, Obama, Blago, and Rahm were good buddies in the same Democrat political machine!!!
The question is...who is going to clean it up?
 

Tex

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RobertMac said:
Tex said:
RM, the media is all over Blago so your theory of the media being "on the side of dems" is just not correct.
Wrong, anybody with an open mind can see the difference in the way the MSM handles conservatives and liberal Democrats. Look at the way the media looked into Palin's past(but couldn't find any wrong doing) and the lack of investigation into Obama's past...which would have lead them to the Blago issue. the real question there is...why was the investigation stopped early????? After all, Obama, Blago, and Rahm were good buddies in the same Democrat political machine!!!
The question is...who is going to clean it up?

You might have a point here RM. In TN, a funny thing happened. The house was divided 50 to 49 in favor of the republicans. The republicans wanted their man as speaker. The dems pulled a fast one on the republicans by voting for the republican who was last on the roll call. The republicans voted for their man, Mumford, and all the 49 dems voted for Kent Williams, the last republican on the roll call. Kent Williams voted for himself and denied the other 49 republicans of their choice (who was reportedly going to be real partisan) and voted for himself as speaker.

The republicans were MAD! Shortly after that, a 2 year old sexual harassment allegation came out by the republicans on Williams.

Sometimes I wonder if the things you mentioned aren't used by others who want to pull the real strings of policy like they seemed to have been with Williams by the republicans.
 

Texan

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reader (the Second) said:
Speaking of McCain, I'm fairly sure that he picked Palin so as to defy the RNC and lose -- he no longer had the will because they warped him so much and when they refused Joe Lieberman, he went ape s**t on them and picked Palin. It's a credible theory.
It is? :shock: What are you smokin' and why ain't you sharing? :lol:
 

RobertMac

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reader (the Second) said:
RobertMac said:
Tex said:
RM, the media is all over Blago so your theory of the media being "on the side of dems" is just not correct.
Wrong, anybody with an open mind can see the difference in the way the MSM handles conservatives and liberal Democrats. Look at the way the media looked into Palin's past(but couldn't find any wrong doing) and the lack of investigation into Obama's past...which would have lead them to the Blago issue. the real question there is...why was the investigation stopped early????? After all, Obama, Blago, and Rahm were good buddies in the same Democrat political machine!!!
The question is...who is going to clean it up?

CNN interviewed a guy last night who published a book on the media being in love with Obama (Slobbering all over Obama ???)... I think you are seeing the media -- all of it -- being critical where they feel it's justified.

I do think the media gave Obama a free ride and now that they are being less slobbering, I'm thinking that they just could not abide another 4 - 8 years of the Bush philosophy as embodied in the RNC which kidnapped the real John McCain during the campaign and would have made him into a Bush clone if he had been elected.

Speaking of McCain, I'm fairly sure that he picked Palin so as to defy the RNC and lose -- he no longer had the will because they warped him so much and when they refused Joe Lieberman, he went ape s**t on them and picked Palin. It's a credible theory.
That's Bernie Goldberg...a long time CBS journalist(back when the media still had journalistic ethics). He has several books out on media bias...actually one named "Bias"...you should read one of them...after you read "Good Calories-Bad Calories"! :wink:
McCain lost because he isn't a conservative...selecting Palin was his best chance, but most conservatives couldn't stomach the thought of voting for him. Why would you think that a Republican being more like a Democrat would get them elected with the support of the conservative base?

Why should Republicans follow the advice of Democrats that tell them to stop listening to Rush? Do you really believe Democrats are giving Republicans advise to strengthen the Republican party?????
The Republican party needs to kick out the blue blood, northeastern, country club, big business leadership and get back to Reagan conservatism...we will win elections again and save the country from Democrat socialism!
 
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