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House passes farm bill without food stamps

Triangle Bar

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It is about time isn't it? For too many years the Dems have been hiding the
multiple food welfare programs in the farm bill. They were sure boiling mad!
That has to be a good sign.
 

smalltime

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I remember when all the farmers and ranchers were all for the government buying up surplus food to stabilize farm commodity prices.Times sure change don't they :lol: .
 

mrj

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So.......would it have been better to tell those FAMILY farmers to eat their own food, and lose their farms while the people who would have received the surplus food would be starving?

The Food Stamp type programs have had to ADVERTISE to get more and more people enlisted in the programs. Is that right to do? And isn't the real reason to keep the "need" for more budget money coming in, keeping that bureaucracy ever increasing?

Isn't the real goal of Farm Programs always to keep food prices artificially low for consumers, as well as assure that farmers can make enough money to stay in business. Even with recent food price increases, only a few months ago food costs to consumers were less than 11% of their income, considerably less than the rest of the world pays.

Last I heard, return on investment in farming is around 1.5 to 3%.
FWIW, we do not grow grain crops and do not believe many programs are necessary.

I do believe that since citizens outside farming demand certain levels of conservation, and clean water and air they should help pay for it. Rather on the order of how we ag producers pay taxes which provide city folks with water systems and sewer systems (while we generally pay for our own, until VERY recently getting some rural water systems, still paying for our own rural sewage systems).

mrj
 

smalltime

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The real reasonimo is to feed all the people who don't have money to buy food.Imo it is better to feed these people than have them roaming the country in bands taking food.Hungry starving people can be very dangerous.I know you don't take the government subsidies,but most farmers and ranchers do.And over the years ther have been plenty of programs that have specifically targeted the cattle industry,feed assistance in times of drought,water pipeline progects,payments for cattle lost in blizzards.
 

Steve

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The real reasonimo is to feed all the people who don't have money to buy food.

nothing wrong with helping the needy.. almost all Americans would take food off their own table to help out a person in need..


but it isn't that anymore.. it is a way of helping them not work and buy other stuff with what little money they have.....

The amount given to some families for food stamps is wasted on junk food.. now they can go to fast food joints..

When you give some of them a $ they will but a cigarette, booze or drugs.

When I was in the service and retiring they screwed up my pay and my old command would not send my pay record on,.. so I went almost 6 months without pay... and finally my wife and child had to get food stamps.. based on one child we were given $425 for one month..

that was almost 20 years ago..

we have never spent that much on food .. it was enough to last us tow months easily.

when i was paid near the end of that month we took the rest of the food stamps back.. the lady was shocked.. in all her years no one had returned foodstamps.. she told us to "just use them'..

when i retired both my wife and I worked in a grocery store.. i worked part time along with another full time job.. it was eyeopening the amount of foodstamp abuse..

so a small cut or a freeze on the amount given or change the standards and help more working poor could be done if the people weren't so wasteful..
 

Triangle Bar

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smalltime said:
I know you don't take the government subsidies,but most farmers and ranchers do.And over the years ther have been plenty of programs that have specifically targeted the cattle industry,feed assistance in times of drought,water pipeline progects,payments for cattle lost in blizzards.

You used the word most in the above reply. I can't speak first hand about the nationwide sign up percentages of Ag producers; however in my area it is much lower than the majority word most would imply. Here recently there was an analysis of producer participation of farm programs. I was quite surprised to learn that only 25% of those producers that qualified for the programs participated. My farm doesn't qualify for the majority of programs, consequently I have not participated in any programs for probably 6 or 7 years now.

The North American farmers have become real experts at their trade. Consequently the abundance of food produced here makes for the lowest priced food for the consumer anywhere in the world. Therefore if people can't afford to buy the basic nutritional components of daily life, the problem lies elsewhere. It is a symptom of the political, economic, social and educational chaos created by a decomposing society.
 

Denny

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I like to clean drainage ditches and the like. I stay out of farm programs as I don't need some college educated idiot telling me what to do on land I own.
 

Traveler

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Thank goodness the government saves people from having to raise a garden, and gives them time to pursue other addictions.
 

Tam

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smalltime said:
The real reasonimo is to feed all the people who don't have money to buy food.Imo it is better to feed these people than have them roaming the country in bands taking food.Hungry starving people can be very dangerous.I know you don't take the government subsidies,but most farmers and ranchers do.And over the years ther have been plenty of programs that have specifically targeted the cattle industry,feed assistance in times of drought,water pipeline progects,payments for cattle lost in blizzards.

smalltime did you hear about the food stamp card scam that was just busted up?

A Buffalo man who operated a store in Lackawanna pleaded guilty to food stamp fraud, the U.S. Attorney’s Office announced Monday.

Tofeek Albanna, 36, obtained more than $73,400 in fraudulent food stamp benefits at his store, LA Fashion, over a 16-month stretch, authorities said.

He was exchanging food stamp benefits for cash and allowed the purchase of prohibited items in exchange for food stamp benefits, officials said.

He is facing up to 20 years in prison and $250,000 in fines

SAVANNAH, Ga. -- Three suspects were convicted for fraudulently acquiring and trafficking over $8 million in government assistance benefits, according to a Department of Justice news release.

The defendants conspired against the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, commonly known as the Food Stamp Program, and the Women Infant and Children Program by offering cash to recipients in exchange for their benefits.

According to evidence, the defendants ran a front in Decatur, Ga. in order to buy the food stamp benefits and WIC vouchers from people in need of government assistance. They offered 10 to 60 cents per dollar and profited from the difference.

"SNAP and WIC are food programs set up to help those who need help. These defendants scammed federal food programs and swindled American taxpayers. Let this case serve as notice to any would-be fraudster that if you exchange food stamps and WIC vouchers for cash, you can expect your next meal to be served from the chow-line at a federal prison," said United States Attorney Edward J. Tarver.

A federal jury found Rashella Reed and Derrick Robinson, both 41 from Riverdale, and Tory Hardwick, 21 from Chattanooga, Tenn., guilty for their involvement in the $8 million fraud conspiracy against the government assistance programs.


These two were announced in the last week care to look and see just how many food stamps are sold off by the poor starving people to crooks looking to take advantage of the entitlement programs the Dems claim are needed to keep people from starving to death and the money used to buy prohibited items. Care to guess what those PROHIBITED items likely are? :?

This is what happens when you have a government so big that it is totally out of control. Oh and the IRS scandal, Benghazi Scandel, the Fast and Furious Scandel, NSA Scandel are also what happens when the government gets so big that the heads of these departments feel they are above the law as they know nobody is going to bother look into their CORRUPTION as they are to busy covering up their own corruption. They think they are so far above the law they claim the fifth when the Congress starts asking about their CORRUPTION. But then why not if they keep their months shut and protect the White House Occupant they know he will reward them with a nice cozy promotion :x

As for the food stamps program, Florida has private companies set up to sign people up to get food stamps as they know it is free federal money flowing into their states economy. Do you really think those signing up the people care if those signing up are actually qualified or not, if all they are looking for is free federal money?
Food stamp use has exploded under Obama do you really think that is warrented when according to Obama Unemployment in the US is under control and dropping?.
 

mrj

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The abuses and refusal of government agencies to clean up this mess, as well as the advertising to draw in more 'customers' for various welfare programs reminds me of comments by some of our top elected, and appointed officials in WDC: (paraphrasing) "we need these programs to help the ecomony. When people have money to spend (forms of welfare, in this case), it helps the economy!" I seem to 'hear' Nancy Pelosi saying something along those lines, but not certain if it really was she who said it.

Added, was the old business axiom about money changing hands x number of times and truly helping communities, corectly applicable in regard to spending money in our home communities instead of going to the 'big box' stores

I do believe there is an important difference between direct subsidies for crops already bringing decent to excellent prices, and assisting build water lines similar to 'assisting' communities with water and sewage systems, which actually helps prevent illnesses and keeps water cleaner, as does facilities to contain feedlot and other confinement pollutants. Drougt assistance keeps the food supply viable, when it might be seriously compromised.

mrj
 

Traveler

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mrj said:
The abuses and refusal of government agencies to clean up this mess, as well as the advertising to draw in more 'customers' for various welfare programs reminds me of comments by some of our top elected, and appointed officials in WDC: (paraphrasing) "we need these programs to help the ecomony. When people have money to spend (forms of welfare, in this case), it helps the economy!" I seem to 'hear' Nancy Pelosi saying something along those lines, but not certain if it really was she who said it.

Added, was the old business axiom about money changing hands x number of times and truly helping communities, corectly applicable in regard to spending money in our home communities instead of going to the 'big box' stores

I do believe there is an important difference between direct subsidies for crops already bringing decent to excellent prices, and assisting build water lines similar to 'assisting' communities with water and sewage systems, which actually helps prevent illnesses and keeps water cleaner, as does facilities to contain feedlot and other confinement pollutants. Drougt assistance keeps the food supply viable, when it might be seriously compromised.

mrj
Pelosi claimed that for every dollar spent on food stamps that $1.79 is returned to the economy. Recall this spat between Pelosi and Gingrich. http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/07/video-the-gingrich-pelosi-food-fight/
 

Steve

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If you think Pilosi is clueless.. then you haven't heard this liberal whine lately

Cutting back funding for food stamps means that “somewhere in America today some poor soul is relying on dog food to take them through the month,” says Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Fla. To discontinue continue access to such public assistant is “punitive and it’s cruel.”

The insinuation here is that without government handouts, human beings will suddenly forget how to provide for themselves. (For a group who believe so strongly in evolution, progressives sure don’t put much faith in the survival resiliency of human beings.)

On the floor of the House, Wilson ranted against the farm bill that separated food stamp spending from farm subsidies, causing Democrats to rage against the move. Wilson claimed,

“Mr. Speaker, SNAP, Food Stamps, however you phrase it, is fundamental to the nutritional supplement to millions of Americans — black, white, feeble seniors, struggling mothers, disabled veterans and hungry children. Mr. Speaker, it was reported to me that there are seniors in my district who eat dog food when their food stamps run out. I was appalled and went to see for myself, and I was dumbfounded. I fixed the situation, but I’m sure that somewhere in America today some poor soul is relying on dog food to take them through the month. Mr. Speaker, please do not hurt or destroy what is a mainstay in the lives of so many Americans who are just trying to get by. Do not remove nutrition, including the food stamp program from the farm bill. It’s wrong, it’s punitive and it’s cruel.”

The other problem with Rep. Wilson’s assumptions is that dog food is actually more expensive than people food.

She should thank g-- they are not eating cat food that stuff is extortionate.. :shock:
 

Tam

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Steve said:
If you think Pilosi is clueless.. then you haven't heard this liberal whine lately

Cutting back funding for food stamps means that “somewhere in America today some poor soul is relying on dog food to take them through the month,” says Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Fla. To discontinue continue access to such public assistant is “punitive and it’s cruel.”

The insinuation here is that without government handouts, human beings will suddenly forget how to provide for themselves. (For a group who believe so strongly in evolution, progressives sure don’t put much faith in the survival resiliency of human beings.)

On the floor of the House, Wilson ranted against the farm bill that separated food stamp spending from farm subsidies, causing Democrats to rage against the move. Wilson claimed,

“Mr. Speaker, SNAP, Food Stamps, however you phrase it, is fundamental to the nutritional supplement to millions of Americans — black, white, feeble seniors, struggling mothers, disabled veterans and hungry children. Mr. Speaker, it was reported to me that there are seniors in my district who eat dog food when their food stamps run out. I was appalled and went to see for myself, and I was dumbfounded. I fixed the situation, but I’m sure that somewhere in America today some poor soul is relying on dog food to take them through the month. Mr. Speaker, please do not hurt or destroy what is a mainstay in the lives of so many Americans who are just trying to get by. Do not remove nutrition, including the food stamp program from the farm bill. It’s wrong, it’s punitive and it’s cruel.”

The other problem with Rep. Wilson’s assumptions is that dog food is actually more expensive than people food.

She should thank g-- they are not eating cat food that stuff is extortionate.. :shock:

I wish that dindbat would eat her Cowboy hat :roll:
 

smalltime

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Nothing wrong with eating dog food.Hell you can stuff the dog with wild rice and Graveytrain stuffing,barbecue over an open pit.If its a big breed you could even invite in the neighbors.Maybe some fresh salad with Kibbles and bits croutons. :wink:
 

Triangle Bar

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smalltime said:
Nothing wrong with eating dog food.Hell you can stuff the dog with wild rice and Graveytrain stuffing,barbecue over an open pit.If its a big breed you could even invite in the neighbors.Maybe some fresh salad with Kibbles and bits croutons. :wink:

That's a good idea, but oops.... no money for dog food. Maybe the gov can fund pet food stamps. That'll fatten 'em up. :lol:
 

Traveler

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Steve said:
If you think Pilosi is clueless.. then you haven't heard this liberal whine lately

Cutting back funding for food stamps means that “somewhere in America today some poor soul is relying on dog food to take them through the month,” says Rep. Frederica Wilson, D-Fla. To discontinue continue access to such public assistant is “punitive and it’s cruel.”

The insinuation here is that without government handouts, human beings will suddenly forget how to provide for themselves. (For a group who believe so strongly in evolution, progressives sure don’t put much faith in the survival resiliency of human beings.)

On the floor of the House, Wilson ranted against the farm bill that separated food stamp spending from farm subsidies, causing Democrats to rage against the move. Wilson claimed,

“Mr. Speaker, SNAP, Food Stamps, however you phrase it, is fundamental to the nutritional supplement to millions of Americans — black, white, feeble seniors, struggling mothers, disabled veterans and hungry children. Mr. Speaker, it was reported to me that there are seniors in my district who eat dog food when their food stamps run out. I was appalled and went to see for myself, and I was dumbfounded. I fixed the situation, but I’m sure that somewhere in America today some poor soul is relying on dog food to take them through the month. Mr. Speaker, please do not hurt or destroy what is a mainstay in the lives of so many Americans who are just trying to get by. Do not remove nutrition, including the food stamp program from the farm bill. It’s wrong, it’s punitive and it’s cruel.”

The other problem with Rep. Wilson’s assumptions is that dog food is actually more expensive than people food.

She should thank g-- they are not eating cat food that stuff is extortionate.. :shock:
Maybe if they ate cat food they'd at least have an urge to dig a hole when relieving themselves.
 

Steve

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Triangle Bar said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/26/food-stamps-for-pets-pet-food-stamps_n_2767048.html

The recently launched program is already a success. In only two weeks, more than 45,000 pets have already been signed up for food stamps, according to ABC News.

Note to liberals.. having 45,000 people who have a pet they can't afford to feed is not a success...

why is it "failure" is now a success?
 
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