cutterone
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We have all seen the legislation that took place under a Democrat lame duck congress prior to Obama's swearing in and the legislation that has been passed and blocked in the Democrat Senate since. On top of that the excessive use of Executive Orders that are running shod over the legislative process. Obama Care, amnesty, free birth control, bailouts - the list goes on and on. While listening yesterday to Rush this was a conversation.
CALLER: Yes, you do. You know, nothing is ever [Obama's] fault, but what I called about initially was that he has been creating debt that will make us subject to economic blackmail. And now he's going into nuclear disarmament that will make us subject to nuclear blackmail. We're surrounded by enemies external and internal, and I always thought that the Constitution said his primary job is to defend this nation. He's not doing that. At what point does this become treasonous?
RUSH: Well...
CALLER: He is turning us into a Third World country.
RUSH: I don't think that would come under the rubric of "treason." But the answer to your question is (even if it were): "Until somebody charges him with it." I will say this again. Recess appointments when there's no recess? If the Senate is not gonna stand up for itself, he's going to keep doing it. If nobody from whom he is usurping power in the legislative branch is gonna stand up and stop it, he's gonna keep doing it. If nobody objects, in other words, in a way that has a force of law behind it, he's gonna keep doing it. I'll give you the example again. We've got laws on the books that says you cannot kill somebody. It's called murder. But people still do it.
Now, in that case we do try to find the killers. But imagine if we didn't. All we would have is a law that says, "You're not allowed to kill somebody in cold blood. You're not allowed to kill somebody, period." But if we don't enforce it, what good is it? So Obama can do all of this until somebody stops him. Now, I know what you mean. When you ask me, "How can he do this?" you are making the mistake of assuming that we have somebody here with a moral code that would provide a loyalty and fealty to the Constitution. But we don't have that in this president. We have a president for whom, to whom the Constitution is an impediment.
The Constitution is a roadblock. The Constitution is a problem. The Constitution, for Obama and his boys, is a worthless document. They refer to it as "negative liberties." And by that they mean that the Constitution only tells government what it can't do (i.e., negative liberties). They resent the fact that the Constitution doesn't spell out what they can do, and so they want to rewrite the Constitution. FDR with his new Bill of Rights; Obama supports them. Obama wants one of two things. He wants to be able to ignore the Constitution with impunity, which he's being able to do. He's doing it. Nobody's stopping him. Ideally he would like a constitution that he writes that empowers government over everything and everyone -- and until he gets that, he's going to act as though that's what it says.
So how can he bring our warhead arsenal down to 300? Easy! He's gonna order it done. How can he make a recess appointment when there is no recess? Easy! Just make the appointment. And if all the Republican leadership is gonna do is stand up and say they "deplore" it, he'll laugh all the way to the appointment.
Rush is correct – under the definition of treason in the Constitution Obama and Congress have not committed treason – morally I would say yes but legally no. Even OT can't argue that even under Bush's last term he was under the control of a Democrat Congress that passed legislation against him and the will of the public and much of it unconstitutional and harmful to the economy. My biggest fear in this year is that Obama with fear of not being reelected and even if he is and there is not a change in the Senate (heaven forbid) will go into hyperdrive through executive order and a Senate that will not oppose him could blow this country up. There is no argument as to can it happen as history will tell us a different story.
Without getting into an argument or finger pointing to is this in fact the issue at hand my question is : Short of an overthrow against the government what is the public's recourse? The ballot box has always been given as the answer but even on the argument of the need for term limits it has been shown that it is time for a change there as they say – power corrupts and our legislators have proven themselves corrupt time and time again.
Forget who is office currently or the problems we may have – what if it both the Senate and House, the Supreme Court, and the President were all of the same party and they decide to turn the country into a Cuba, Russia, etc? What if they decide to completely amend the Constitution? Who is going to stop them?
CALLER: Yes, you do. You know, nothing is ever [Obama's] fault, but what I called about initially was that he has been creating debt that will make us subject to economic blackmail. And now he's going into nuclear disarmament that will make us subject to nuclear blackmail. We're surrounded by enemies external and internal, and I always thought that the Constitution said his primary job is to defend this nation. He's not doing that. At what point does this become treasonous?
RUSH: Well...
CALLER: He is turning us into a Third World country.
RUSH: I don't think that would come under the rubric of "treason." But the answer to your question is (even if it were): "Until somebody charges him with it." I will say this again. Recess appointments when there's no recess? If the Senate is not gonna stand up for itself, he's going to keep doing it. If nobody from whom he is usurping power in the legislative branch is gonna stand up and stop it, he's gonna keep doing it. If nobody objects, in other words, in a way that has a force of law behind it, he's gonna keep doing it. I'll give you the example again. We've got laws on the books that says you cannot kill somebody. It's called murder. But people still do it.
Now, in that case we do try to find the killers. But imagine if we didn't. All we would have is a law that says, "You're not allowed to kill somebody in cold blood. You're not allowed to kill somebody, period." But if we don't enforce it, what good is it? So Obama can do all of this until somebody stops him. Now, I know what you mean. When you ask me, "How can he do this?" you are making the mistake of assuming that we have somebody here with a moral code that would provide a loyalty and fealty to the Constitution. But we don't have that in this president. We have a president for whom, to whom the Constitution is an impediment.
The Constitution is a roadblock. The Constitution is a problem. The Constitution, for Obama and his boys, is a worthless document. They refer to it as "negative liberties." And by that they mean that the Constitution only tells government what it can't do (i.e., negative liberties). They resent the fact that the Constitution doesn't spell out what they can do, and so they want to rewrite the Constitution. FDR with his new Bill of Rights; Obama supports them. Obama wants one of two things. He wants to be able to ignore the Constitution with impunity, which he's being able to do. He's doing it. Nobody's stopping him. Ideally he would like a constitution that he writes that empowers government over everything and everyone -- and until he gets that, he's going to act as though that's what it says.
So how can he bring our warhead arsenal down to 300? Easy! He's gonna order it done. How can he make a recess appointment when there is no recess? Easy! Just make the appointment. And if all the Republican leadership is gonna do is stand up and say they "deplore" it, he'll laugh all the way to the appointment.
Rush is correct – under the definition of treason in the Constitution Obama and Congress have not committed treason – morally I would say yes but legally no. Even OT can't argue that even under Bush's last term he was under the control of a Democrat Congress that passed legislation against him and the will of the public and much of it unconstitutional and harmful to the economy. My biggest fear in this year is that Obama with fear of not being reelected and even if he is and there is not a change in the Senate (heaven forbid) will go into hyperdrive through executive order and a Senate that will not oppose him could blow this country up. There is no argument as to can it happen as history will tell us a different story.
Without getting into an argument or finger pointing to is this in fact the issue at hand my question is : Short of an overthrow against the government what is the public's recourse? The ballot box has always been given as the answer but even on the argument of the need for term limits it has been shown that it is time for a change there as they say – power corrupts and our legislators have proven themselves corrupt time and time again.
Forget who is office currently or the problems we may have – what if it both the Senate and House, the Supreme Court, and the President were all of the same party and they decide to turn the country into a Cuba, Russia, etc? What if they decide to completely amend the Constitution? Who is going to stop them?
