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How 'bout health care?

Texan

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Everybody deserves to own a home? Everybody deserves health care?

After seeing how the liberal/socialist philosophy of providing home ownership for everyone has worked...

Do any of you still think that the federal government is the answer to providing health care for everybody? How many gazillions of dollars will a failure in that experiment cost the taxpayers?
 

CattleArmy

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If they go to nation wide health care now I'm gonna be pissed off. :mad:

I don't think everyone has a right to own a home. I think hard work and smart money planning gets an individual a home they have a right to.

I think every child deserves health care. No child should not go to the doctor due to lack of coverage and some uninsured children do not get taken by their parents. As for adults a couple of months ago I was all for nation wide health care and as I've said before my Aunt in Canada loves their health care. However, now I'm not sure with some life adjustments some as adults that aren't liked there are ways to get insurance if it's to the point of unaffordability.

However, I don't think truely sick people should be turned away due to lack of insurance. Maybe the solution more lies in some reform in the medical billing system. Reform in what doctors and hospitals can charge. Possibly caps on billing.
 

fff

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Texan said:
Everybody deserves to own a home? Everybody deserves health care?

After seeing how the liberal/socialist philosophy of providing home ownership for everyone has worked...

Do any of you still think that the federal government is the answer to providing health care for everybody? How many gazillions of dollars will a failure in that experiment cost the taxpayers?

Who do you think is paying for un-insured people's health care now?
 

Texan

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fff said:
Who do you think is paying for un-insured people's health care now?

I know you liberals find this hard to comprehend, but a lot of people either pay for their own, or go without.

But in the case of those who can't/won't do that, much of their health care is paid for by local taxpayers. Or is ultimately paid for by other health care recipients in the form of higher prices for services and/or insurance. Do you think that adding another layer of federal bureaucrats to that process is going to be helpful?

Do you think that having a Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for health insurance companies is a good idea? Do you want health insurance companies to have a place to hand off the 'subprimes' - the bad decisions that the government forced them to make? Forced them to make because they took free-market decision-making responsibilities out of the hands of the people who were best equipped to make those decisions?

Is that what you want?
 

nonothing

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Texan said:
Everybody deserves to own a home? Everybody deserves health care?

After seeing how the liberal/socialist philosophy of providing home ownership for everyone has worked...

Do any of you still think that the federal government is the answer to providing health care for everybody? How many gazillions of dollars will a failure in that experiment cost the taxpayers?


I was under the understanding that the bail out was to keep wall street from crumbling not to keep people in thier homes.......As far as health care goes.In todays world of greed and whats mine is mine,It is a shame with all the glutney of spending people go without adequit health care..It benifits everyone to have a healthy country..Where fear of the unkown is the only fear, rather then the added fear of cost......Somebody pays.either the insurance companies(which control your medical decisions not you),the employer which limits you chances for life movement,or the user themselves,which by the time they decide to pay thier sickness is ten times worse..

How can it be ok to spend a trillion dollars on an invasion that accomplished very little,including letting the master mind of 911 bin ladin still walk the earth,be acceptable..Yet health care for all is scoffed at?
 

fff

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Texan said:
fff said:
Who do you think is paying for un-insured people's health care now?

I know you liberals find this hard to comprehend, but a lot of people either pay for their own, or go without.

But in the case of those who can't/won't do that, much of their health care is paid for by local taxpayers. Or is ultimately paid for by other health care recipients in the form of higher prices for services and/or insurance. Do you think that adding another layer of federal bureaucrats to that process is going to be helpful?

Do you think that having a Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for health insurance companies is a good idea? Do you want health insurance companies to have a place to hand off the 'subprimes' - the bad decisions that the government forced them to make? Forced them to make because they took free-market decision-making responsibilities out of the hands of the people who were best equipped to make those decisions?

Is that what you want?

Yes, that's what I want. If I have a heart attack on the street, someone is going to call an ambulance and send me to the Emergency Room and the hospital where I'll have whatever treatment the doctor recommends. Maybe an MRI, maybe surgery. If I have no health insurance YOU'RE going to pay for it with your taxes.

John McCain says he can do for health care what Republicans have done for banking. That's something I don't want to see.
 

Cal

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fff said:
Texan said:
fff said:
Who do you think is paying for un-insured people's health care now?

I know you liberals find this hard to comprehend, but a lot of people either pay for their own, or go without.

But in the case of those who can't/won't do that, much of their health care is paid for by local taxpayers. Or is ultimately paid for by other health care recipients in the form of higher prices for services and/or insurance. Do you think that adding another layer of federal bureaucrats to that process is going to be helpful?

Do you think that having a Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for health insurance companies is a good idea? Do you want health insurance companies to have a place to hand off the 'subprimes' - the bad decisions that the government forced them to make? Forced them to make because they took free-market decision-making responsibilities out of the hands of the people who were best equipped to make those decisions?

Is that what you want?

Yes, that's what I want. If I have a heart attack on the street, someone is going to call an ambulance and send me to the Emergency Room and the hospital where I'll have whatever treatment the doctor recommends. Maybe an MRI, maybe surgery. If I have no health insurance YOU'RE going to pay for it with your taxes.

John McCain says he can do for health care what Republicans have done for banking. That's something I don't want to see.
Will doctors working under socialized medicine receive some sort of incentive if you don't kick the bucket with that heart attack, since the government will probably pay a set amount irregardless of outcome?
 

elwapo

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The U.S. is the the only developed nation without some form of socialized health care. It makes no sense that the tax payer will effectively socialize the banking industry in the near future, yet leave the people in need of medical care die in the street if they cant afford to pay for it.

"Governments in a capitalist society are but committees of the rich to manage affairs of the capitalist class"
James Connolly
 
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Anonymous

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No candidate this year has suggested "socialized medicine"...Hillary and Obama both have plans to make health care "insurance" available to all....Thats far from being socialized medicine...

The American Medical Association supports everyone having access to health insurance and says that in 5-10 years the benefits of prevention and early detection to US health problems will actually eventually lessen the amount of health care needed and be a cost savings to the US citizens....
 

Cal

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elwapo said:
The U.S. is the the only developed nation without some form of socialized health care. It makes no sense that the tax payer will effectively socialize the banking industry in the near future, yet leave the people in need of medical care die in the street if they cant afford to pay for it.

"Governments in a capitalist society are but committees of the rich to manage affairs of the capitalist class"
James Connolly
So the care given to poor children and senior citizens in the US isn't anything socialized? Title 19 isn't socialized? We have people dying in the streets because they can't afford healthcare? Really? As pisssed off as people are about this bailout, I can't see the banking industry as being more socialized. If anything it will be forced to use some common sense in the future instead of being forced to make subprime mortgages that can't be repaid
 

Cal

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Oldtimer said:
No candidate this year has suggested "socialized medicine"...Hillary and Obama both have plans to make health care "insurance" available to all....Thats far from being socialized medicine...

The American Medical Association supports everyone having access to health insurance and says that in 5-10 years the benefits of prevention and early detection to US health problems will actually eventually lessen the amount of health care needed and be a cost savings to the US citizens....
I see you put insurance in parenthesis. Basically because if government pays your health insurance, that sort of makes it socialized medicine...or a government run HMO, and it stops being insurance.
 
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Anonymous

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Cal said:
Oldtimer said:
No candidate this year has suggested "socialized medicine"...Hillary and Obama both have plans to make health care "insurance" available to all....Thats far from being socialized medicine...

The American Medical Association supports everyone having access to health insurance and says that in 5-10 years the benefits of prevention and early detection to US health problems will actually eventually lessen the amount of health care needed and be a cost savings to the US citizens....
I see you put insurance in parenthesis. Basically because if government pays your health insurance, that sort of makes it socialized medicine...or a government run HMO, and it stops being insurance.

It won't be any different than the insurance you have today- in fact the Obama plan keeps all the insurance companies in existence...

My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less. If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness.”
Barack Obama
 

Texan

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Hillary and Obama both have plans to make health care "insurance" available to all....

Yep, just like home ownership, huh? Everybody deserves it.


Oldtimer said:
It won't be any different than the insurance you have today- in fact the Obama plan keeps all the insurance companies in existence...

My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less. If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness.”
Barack Obama

Only a fool could actually believe something like that.
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
No candidate this year has suggested "socialized medicine"...Hillary and Obama both have plans to make health care "insurance" available to all....Thats far from being socialized medicine...


I'm against ANY government health care plan until an effort is made to address the REAL problem, which is the COSTS! It doesn't matter who is paying for it, the escalating costs are the problem. If you set up a government program without addressing the core costs, you're committing tax payers to funding a hole that will do nothing but get bigger and bigger exponentially. That is irresponsible and stupid. But then again, responsibility isn't a liberal's strong suit.
 

backhoeboogie

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Hillary and Obama both have plans to make health care "insurance" available to all....

Yep, just like home ownership, huh? Everybody deserves it.

Yep. Billy made provisions for anyone to buy a house and it is on record. OT keeps saying otherwise.

Then in May 2006 there was a plan to fix this but the dems wouldn't let it go. OT keeps saying otherwise.

I figure OT says otherwise just beause the truth hurts.
 

Clarencen

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OT says Hillary and Obama have plans for affordable health insurance for all. How will that work? Who is going to pay for it? Show me the paper work, then maybe I will vote for it. It looks to me like a step towards socialized medicene. It seems to me that universal health care means socialized medicine period.
 

backhoeboogie

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Clarencen said:
OT says Hillary and Obama have plans for affordable health insurance for all. How will that work? Who is going to pay for it? Show me the paper work, then maybe I will vote for it. It looks to me like a step towards socialized medicene. It seems to me that universal health care means socialized medicine period.

Who is going to pay for it? The successful working fools who have been providing their own insurance
 

Mike

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If we have a health insurance program implemented with the premiums based on the ability to pay........ it will be another incentive for those that suck on the governments teats to "KEEP ON SUCKING". :roll: :roll:

But how easily we forget that the Democrat's agenda is to make as many as possible dependent on government............
 
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Anonymous

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Clarencen said:
OT says Hillary and Obama have plans for affordable health insurance for all. How will that work? Who is going to pay for it? Show me the paper work, then maybe I will vote for it. It looks to me like a step towards socialized medicene. It seems to me that universal health care means socialized medicine period.

Clarence- you can go to this site and read more:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

The alternative is McCain who's plan is to do like he did with banking and further deregulate/privatize insurance companies..... And we already know how well that worked for banking- and what happened when AIG (which was the soundest country in the nation-18th richest company in the world according to Forbes, when the deregulation took place) got involved in the banking/speculating casino game :shock:
 
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