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How dare he?

fff

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How dare this man say he speaks me, for this nation? The arrogance, the presumption, the uppity-ness of him!

"I told him that I know I speak for every American when I said to him, today, we are all Georgians," McCain said to loud applause. He said Saakashvili asked him to express his thanks to Americans.


Oh. Wait. John McCain said that. He's white. He's a Republican. He can speak for the nation. Silly me. Can you imagine the uproar if Obama had been so uppity as to make that statement? :roll:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/08/12/politics/p094002D76.DTL&type=politics
 

backhoeboogie

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Mike said:
Unfortunately for you Frankie, most Americans ARE for the spreading of Democracy. :roll:

You'd better rethink that one Mike. Obama seems pure communist to me and he has supoorters.

Just consider Obama's position on the DC Gun Ban; "the right of local communities to enact common sense laws". If they can waive the second amendment, they can waive them all - including the original document being amended.

So it only seems proper that anyone who supported Obama would not be supporting democracy. As such, I could see the disdain for Georgia being a democratic county and not supporting McCain's position.
 

fff

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Actually most Americans don't support the US spreading democracy.

In the United States, a slight majority, 53 percent, said the United States should not be trying to spread democracy, while 45 percent said the United States should play that role.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148318,00.html

This is from 2005, but considering how unpopular Bush's Iraqi war has become, I would expect it to be much higher than 53% today. If you have a more current poll, I'd be interested in seeing it.
 

Mike

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fff said:
Actually most Americans don't support the US spreading democracy.

In the United States, a slight majority, 53 percent, said the United States should not be trying to spread democracy, while 45 percent said the United States should play that role.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148318,00.html

This is from 2005, but considering how unpopular Bush's Iraqi war has become, I would expect it to be much higher than 53% today. If you have a more current poll, I'd be interested in seeing it.

So you're trying to say that American citizens would want to spread Communism, like you do?
 

fff

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Mike said:
fff said:
Actually most Americans don't support the US spreading democracy.

In the United States, a slight majority, 53 percent, said the United States should not be trying to spread democracy, while 45 percent said the United States should play that role.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148318,00.html

This is from 2005, but considering how unpopular Bush's Iraqi war has become, I would expect it to be much higher than 53% today. If you have a more current poll, I'd be interested in seeing it.

So you're trying to say that American citizens would want to spread Communism, like you do?

No, they simply agree with me that if other countries want democracy, they should demand it themselves. That it's not the US's responisibility in the world to go out and impose our style of government on the rest of the world.

So are you acknowledging that you're wrong AGAIN? That "most" Americans disagree with you and George Bush that we should be trying to spread democracy around the world? :lol: :lol:
 

Mike

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So are you acknowledging that you're wrong AGAIN? That "most" Americans disagree with you and George Bush that we should be trying to spread democracy around the world?

I'm only acknowledging that polls are like azzholes.

Everyone has their own. :roll:
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
Mike said:
So are you acknowledging that you're wrong AGAIN? That "most" Americans disagree with you and George Bush that we should be trying to spread democracy around the world?

I'm only acknowledging that polls are like azzholes.

Everyone has their own. :roll:

Mike I'll trust your answer on this one.

Did the media lie again?

Was that country not already a democracy and Russia invaded them?

Why would Frankie think the U.S. would try to "spread democracy" to a country that is already a democracy?
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
Mike said:
fff said:
Actually most Americans don't support the US spreading democracy.



This is from 2005, but considering how unpopular Bush's Iraqi war has become, I would expect it to be much higher than 53% today. If you have a more current poll, I'd be interested in seeing it.

So you're trying to say that American citizens would want to spread Communism, like you do?

No, they simply agree with me that if other countries want democracy, they should demand it themselves. That it's not the US's responisibility in the world to go out and impose our style of government on the rest of the world.

So are you acknowledging that you're wrong AGAIN? That "most" Americans disagree with you and George Bush that we should be trying to spread democracy around the world? :lol: :lol:

You have no basis for claiming your know what Americans want, a poll of 1,000 U.S. people from a polling company from the other side of the world that has a 53/45 % split is not a very good source to back up your claims. The article does not even give the exact question from the quote. Have you looked up the poll itself that was taken to see how they came up with the figures?

And surely you are smart enough to know that just because 530 Americans say one thing that does not mean they speak for the other 300,000.

fff said:
That "most" Americans disagree with you and George Bush that we should be trying to spread democracy around the world? :lol: :lol:

I would think that most Americans would want us to spread democracy, maybe they don't want to do it at cost of treasury or lives, but hard to believe very many Americans are not fond of Democracy and the rights of every human to have it. :?
 

Texan

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fff said:
Oh. Wait. John McCain said that. He's white. He's a Republican. He can speak for the nation. Silly me.

There you go again, ff. Bringing race into this when it has nothing to do with it. :???: You lefties are really getting desperate, huh? :lol:
 

Texan

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fff said:
Can you imagine the uproar if Obama had been so uppity as to make that statement? :roll:

I don't remember any uproar from the statement that Obama made on the situation. He doesn't speak for the country, either. Here's some excerpts from Obama's statement:


I reiterate my call for Russia to stop its bombing campaign, to stop flights of Russian aircraft in Georgian airspace, and to withdraw its ground forces from Georgia. The Georgian government has proposed a cease-fire and the Russian government should accept it. There is also an urgent need for humanitarian assistance to reach the people of Georgia, and casualties on both sides.

I welcome the visit of the French and Finnish foreign ministers to Georgia as a first step toward mediation. There should also be a United Nations mediator to address this crisis, and the United States should fully support this effort. We should also convene other international forums to condemn this aggression, to call for an immediate halt to the violence, and to review multilateral and bilateral arrangements with Russia - including Russia's interest in joining the World Trade Organization.

While returning to a pre-August 8 military posture is a necessary first step to resolving this crisis, we cannot tolerate the unacceptable status quo that led to this escalation. That means Russian peacekeeping troops should be replaced by a genuine international peacekeeping force, Georgia should refrain from using force in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and a political settlement must be reached that addresses the status of these disputed regions.

Going forward, the United States and Europe must support the people of Georgia. Beyond immediate humanitarian assistance, we must provide economic assistance, and help rebuild what has been destroyed. I have consistently called for deepening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions, including a Membership Action Plan for NATO, and we must continue to press for that deeper relationship.

Let me be clear: we seek a future of cooperative engagement with the Russian government, and friendship with the Russian people. We want Russia to play its rightful role as a great nation - but with that role comes the responsibility to act as a force for progress in this new century, not regression to the conflicts of the past. That is why the United States and the international community must speak out strongly against this aggression, and for peace and security.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/11/obama-responds-to-conflic_n_118276.html

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Personally, I don't think any candidate - Republican or Democrat - has any business going around as if they are already speaking for the whole country. We need to be seen as united on issues like this. We already have a President - and it isn't McCain OR Obama.

We need to speak with one voice on issues such as this - either that of the President or the Secretary of State. But as long as there is politics involved, that will never happen.

But...I don't guess you mind Obama making statements on world conflict, do you, ff?
 

aplusmnt

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Texan said:
Personally, I don't think any candidate - Republican or Democrat - has any business going around as if they are already speaking for the whole country. We need to be seen as united on issues like this. We already have a President - and it isn't McCain OR Obama.

Good point!

But they are not going to let an issue like this go buy to look Presidential at least not McCain, Obama eventually got around to kinda looking Presidential after a few tries at it and he got himself a speech writer typing.
 
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