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How do you all like these Herefords?

Haytrucker

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Looks about half right to me, but I might be a little prejudiced. They would be easier to check in the dark than my cattle are.
 

Northern Rancher

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That's already been done years ago FH-I almost got my snout punched when I told a Char breeder they should maybe try and breed a good white one lol. No sense of Ha Ha in some people.
 

IL Rancher

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Its probably easier to find breeds that have a black "version" vs ones that don't now a days. Heck, there are even registerd Red Angus who are black... .

I have a few of those black Herefords running around in the pasture... But we always just called them black baldies :lol: Okay... Okay, not quite but I guess I just don't understand the desire to make all the breeds of cattle so homogenus(God, I know that is spelled wrong). Oh well.
 

kolanuraven

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I've been in the cattle industry for over 20 yrs....all over this country and involved in some foreign countries.

What always amazes and amuses me is that no matter what breed might be in vogue @ that point in history someone always makes'em black. Black Saler, Black Simmental, Black Chi's....etc etc etc

FH...there was, about 15 yrs ago, an attempt at " black" Charolais...but they turned out kinda muddy looking and the color was not consistent in the lineage ..not very pleasing to the eye. I'm not sure if that has been taken farther or not as I am no longer involved in the Charolais world.

I have/had black Angus...I say " if it ain't broke....don't fix it"...so I'm staying with BLACK Angus.
 

Judith

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to the best of my knowledge they are called black baldies. Been around for a while in Canuck land. We never thought of them as a "special" breed though. Lots of people run them in the Merritt area, a good commercial cow. My uncle likes them better than (dare I say it) angus.

Judith jumps back 20 feet and attempts to dodge the rain shower of cow pies being flung in her direction :)
 

IL Rancher

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I would imagine the hereford pattern is more set on these Black herefords than on baldies in which it varies wildly from one animal to the other. I have a good collection of red baldies here and some have almost no white except a blaze on their face while others whole heads are white and have some other white marks on them... Not really Hereford pattern. I had one born this year with the white feet and the white brsiket and tip of tail.. Think she has a white mark down the middle of her neck too... I don't know much about Herfs, don't have any although at times have though about them..
 

Heel Fly

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Yeah yeah yeah. Our neighbor who raises comm. cattle( rainbow) but uses a Hereford bull gets those calves on his cross back heifers. But heres what I think. A good herd is a good herd. And I feel that in our herd that we have done a great job of eliminateing the bad and keeping the good. Now we have done some things that haven't always pleased my dad, but to clean things up you need to be brutal. This year we have had one bad eye cow, no pinkeye and as of yet and praise God no prolaspes(for almost 3yrs). I feel that we have an excellent calf crop with the most even set of calves that I ever remember this place producing.
I love Herefords, they are RED andWHITE, kind and beautiful. My heart skips a beat when in the winter, thru the snow and trees a line of red and white is coming to you at a trot for some hay. I ranch for a lot of reasons, but if we were to go to anything other then Herefords I wouldn't do it.
(As a side we do use black on our heifers, but that is just being smart!!)
 

jigs

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makes me sick to my stomach

all these high power big shots in the Herford industry all got thier panties in a knot wanting to cut in on the angus market.

Herfs in my opinion are superior cattle. why change to accomodate the black color??? it is foolish. most angus cowmen i know have only Hereford bulls, so we know that the Herf line is the desired trait....then some jack ass goes and does this. I will not fall into this mess for nothing.
 

Aaron

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Settle down, jigs. The ABHA is just a group of Hereford boys that couldn't raise quality Herefords to capture a decent price at the market. Plain and simple. Good Hereford cattle sell nearly as well (and in some cases, as well) as Angus. The key is quality, not quantity. In the spring of 2003, we sold a group of 9 7-weight straightbred Hereford steers for $1.37. Good growthy, lean cattle will never be passed up by a cattle buyer. Poor cattle will be though.
 

passin thru

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Single trait selection..............that's all it is.

The Hereford base has a lot broader base to choose from instead of going to these and limit your selection pool. Someone must not have much to do to waste his time like this.
 

jigs

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Aaron said:
Settle down, jigs. The ABHA is just a group of Hereford boys that couldn't raise quality Herefords to capture a decent price at the market. Plain and simple. Good Hereford cattle sell nearly as well (and in some cases, as well) as Angus. The key is quality, not quantity. In the spring of 2003, we sold a group of 9 7-weight straightbred Hereford steers for $1.37. Good growthy, lean cattle will never be passed up by a cattle buyer. Poor cattle will be though.

I agree good cattle sell, but I have a GREAT problem with people going to this Oreo version just because they can not select bulls that create good calves.

instead of falling down and saying how can we change to compete, they need to be saying, this is why we are competative, and keep pursuing those genetic lines.

this red hyde discount is fictional. we get top or near top everytime we sell. and we are in a black cattle dominated area.

makes as much sense as me getting a tatoo on my ass because everyone that has one gets a bigger check than me.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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jigs said:
Aaron said:
Settle down, jigs. The ABHA is just a group of Hereford boys that couldn't raise quality Herefords to capture a decent price at the market. Plain and simple. Good Hereford cattle sell nearly as well (and in some cases, as well) as Angus. The key is quality, not quantity. In the spring of 2003, we sold a group of 9 7-weight straightbred Hereford steers for $1.37. Good growthy, lean cattle will never be passed up by a cattle buyer. Poor cattle will be though.

I agree good cattle sell, but I have a GREAT problem with people going to this Oreo version just because they can not select bulls that create good calves.

instead of falling down and saying how can we change to compete, they need to be saying, this is why we are competative, and keep pursuing those genetic lines.

this red hyde discount is fictional. we get top or near top everytime we sell. and we are in a black cattle dominated area.

makes as much sense as me getting a tatoo on my ass because everyone that has one gets a bigger check than me.



Hey Jigs what are you getting for a tattoo? :shock:
 

jigs

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cold day in hell when I get a husker tatoo.

if I were to get one on my backside, I suppose it would say EXIT ONLY


incase I ever get thrown in jail!
 

txag

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Aaron said:
Settle down, jigs. The ABHA is just a group of Hereford boys that couldn't raise quality Herefords to capture a decent price at the market. Plain and simple. Good Hereford cattle sell nearly as well (and in some cases, as well) as Angus. The key is quality, not quantity. In the spring of 2003, we sold a group of 9 7-weight straightbred Hereford steers for $1.37. Good growthy, lean cattle will never be passed up by a cattle buyer. Poor cattle will be though.

correct. and it seems that they weren't too confident of their abilities to raise a composite, either, or they wouldn't be trying to cash in on the Hereford name. the AHA was approached by these breeders and declined their request to be admitted into the registry. the AHA does not allow breeding up & believes in the ability of herefords to sell on other attributes besides color.
 
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