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How is this "CHANGE?"

Texan

Well-known member
Barack Obama morphs into Bill Clinton. How sad

By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist

Barack Obama was supposed to bring change to the White House. Instead, he's bringing back Bill Clinton's leftovers.

With his first appointments and rumored selections for top spots in his administration, Obama is dipping into the same talent pool that Clinton used during his two terms in the 1990s. So much for "yes, we can" change the culture at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Here are the picks and potential picks so far (even leaving out the biggest potential tie to Bill Clinton -- wife Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State):

-- Rahm Emanuel, former Clinton aide, as White House chief of staff.

-- Eric Holder, deputy attorney general under Clinton, as attorney general.

-- Jacob Lew, Clinton's budget director, as director of the National Economic Council.

-- Peter Orszag, former economic adviser to Clinton, as White House budget director.

-- Rand Beers, assistant secretary of state for international narcotics and law enforcement under Clinton, as Homeland Security secretary or national security official.

-- John Hamre, second-ranking civilian in the Defense Department under Clinton, as Defense Secretary.

-- Raymond Kelly, senior Treasury Department official under Clinton, as Homeland Security secretary.

-- Dan Reicher, environmental advocate in the Clinton administration, as energy secretary.


http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2852
 

Texan

Well-known member
Obama's 'Change': Appointing Beltway Has-Beens

Sunday, November 9, 2008 4:46 PM

By: Dick Morris and Eileen McGann


What's with Obama's choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?

Can't the anti-Washington-insiders and the president-elect find anyone who isn't a Beltway has-been?

Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.

Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.

But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he's brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last president who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.

His transition committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton's chief of staff. He presided over outrageous last-minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-Beltway and make-no-waves.

Then there's Carol Browner, Clinton's competent former EPA administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She's Madeline Albright's partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Sen. Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai's case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai's position. He's also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is this change?

Federico Pena was Clinton's secretary of transportation and of energy. The president felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after a crash and lost confidence in him. Now he's back as a transition committee member.

Bill Daley, Clinton's former secretary of commerce and the brother of the mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren't these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?

Larry Summers, president of Harvard and former Clinton secretary of the treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He's also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.

Susan Rice, assistant secretary of state under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?

Obama has named one of his big bundlers -- Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change?

Obama's choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; she is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as "a moron to the nth degree" when she tried unsuccessfully to force The New York Times' Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited e-mail criticizing Howard Dean as "background" without mentioning her name.

Speaking of brash, Rahm Emanuel, the new White House chief of staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer -- and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to The Washington Post whenever he didn't like what the president was doing. Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm's appointment. Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm's strident demeanor laced with the 'F' word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.

Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is dean of the Berkeley Law School. He was a member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton, and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton's deputy chief of staff.

Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a federal trade commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.

Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary Clinton as part of the inside-the Beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he's reaching out to these exact same folks. Some change.

© 2008 Dick Morris & Eileen McGann



http://www.newsmax.com/morris/morris_obama_transition/2008/11/09/149401.html
 

Texan

Well-known member
Obama's Clinton-era picks tend to fit the Bill
Hillary Clinton, former staffers up for top jobs

By Christi Parsons and Peter Nicholas | Washington Bureau
November 21, 2008

WASHINGTON — The roster shaping up for the Barack Obama administration is starting to look a little familiar, with an ironic pattern emerging as one name after another is added to the list.

A striking number of new and potential team members can trace their professional history to the same political birthplace—the administration of President Bill Clinton.

There's Sen. Hillary Clinton, of course, the former first lady now under consideration for secretary of state. And Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the former Bill Clinton aide who will be Obama's chief of staff. And Eric Holder, once top deputy to former Atty. Gen. Janet Reno and now Obama's likely pick for attorney general. There's the new White House lawyer, the budget director and so on.

For all his talk of transformation, Obama's earliest decisions suggest something odd: The more things change, the more they look like the 1990s. Some predict a Clinton Restoration in the making.

"Voters hoping to see Obama bring a lot of fresh faces to D.C. must be disappointed," said Alex Conant, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee. "So far, it's been more like Clinton.gov than Change.gov."

It makes sense that the incoming Democratic president might fish for talent in the same pond as the last Democratic president. If Obama is looking for depth of expertise, there's a good chance that many job prospects were in or around the White House a decade ago.

But there's a certain irony to the developing pattern, given Obama's campaign pledge not to spend the next four years "refighting the same fights that we had in the 1990s."

"There's no question about the talent level," said Doug Holtz-Eakin, a former Congressional Budget Office director and policy adviser to Republican John McCain's presidential campaign. "They have a public relations problem in the appearance of not really fulfilling the, quote, change mandate."

The Clinton alums began to populate the new team right away, when Obama picked Emanuel from Illinois' congressional delegation for the first big assignment. After serving as political director in the Clinton White House, Emanuel agreed to help assemble and captain Obama's team as chief of staff.

Since then, the names of former Clinton administration officials have flowed plentifully, with more than two dozen set either to serve on an Obama transition team or to staff positions in the new administration.

At the same time, Hillary Clinton appears to be a serious candidate to head the State Department. By some lights, Obama never really considered Clinton as his vice presidential running mate, instead floating her name for the job while never formally vetting her.

But Clinton friends believe Obama seems more serious now, and developments suggest she is getting a more thorough review.

Hoping to ease qualms about how the former president's tangled business dealings might affect his wife's shot at the job, Bill Clinton gave the Obama transition team a complete list of more than 200,000 donors to his presidential library and charitable foundation, according to a Democrat familiar with discussions between the two camps.

Clinton had not previously released that material, arguing many donors had given money believing the gifts would not be disclosed.

With that donor list in hand, Obama has important new information needed to investigate whether making her secretary of state might pose any conflicts of interest.

Clinton loyalists think her prospects of becoming secretary of state are improving as rivals for the position fall away. Allies of Clinton consider her possible nomination smart.

"You have to give the president-elect an incredible amount of credit for building a Cabinet with stars in it," said Gov. Ed Rendell, credited with helping Clinton win the Pennsylvania primary. "It goes against the grain. You're told, 'Don't have anyone in there with their own base of support, or too famous.' "

Still, Clinton could complicate things. Obama has a vast network of volunteers whom he is counting on to help him get what he wants out of Congress—supporters who worked for "change."

Tom Bethany, 22, briefly ran the Obama campus campaign organization at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. He says he's worried about the abundance of people with ties to the Clinton White House landing jobs.

"I think Obama's message of change could very easily be lost," Bethany said.On the economic team, several Clinton veterans are in the mix. CBO Director Peter Orszag is the possible budget director.

And in an anxiously awaited pick, Clinton Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers has been mentioned frequently as Obama's treasury secretary.

The fact that such positions are still up in the air makes it too early to guess the actual impact of a Clinton reunion, says Republican Holtz-Eakin.

"Key appointments haven't happened yet," he said. "The question is, 'What will he choose to do?' "



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-clintonistas_frinov21,0,2743526.story
 
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Anonymous

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Many I hear are saying this is the "change" they would gladly welcome back as the Clinton era represented peace, prosperity, and a budget surplus- where the Bush era will represent 2 poorly run wars, spend and borrow "fiscal conservity" that ran up a multi Trillion $ National debt and an impending depression that most economists are now predicting that if we can survive may take 7-10 years to recover from.... :(
 

Texan

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Many I hear are saying this is the "change" they would gladly welcome back as the Clinton era represented peace, prosperity, and a budget surplus- where the Bush era will represent 2 poorly run wars, spend and borrow "fiscal conservity" that ran up a multi Trillion $ National debt and an impending depression that most economists are now predicting that if we can survive may take 7-10 years to recover from.... :(
So now I guess you're a fan of the Clinton Administration? You really have a problem admitting that Obama made a fool out of you, don't you? :???:

Here's some quotes I'll be reminding you of over the next few years. I really like the one about "...bring in some fresh faces, new ideas, and some major "Change"...." That was a good one. :lol:

Oldtimer said:
we need "CHANGE"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=307238#307238


Oldtimer said:
Time for "change"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=305704#305704


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=304946#304946


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE"......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303749#303749


Oldtimer said:
That needs to "CHANGE"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303179#303179


Oldtimer said:
Time for a "CHANGE"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303235#303235


Oldtimer said:
We need a change...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=300580#300580


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=292383#292383


Oldtimer said:
Time for a Change....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=292319#292319


Oldtimer said:
we need a CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=291711#291711


Oldtimer said:
We need CHANGE...

http://ranchers.net/forum/post-288536.html#288536


Oldtimer said:
The only hope is a Sweeping CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288747#288747


Oldtimer said:
We need a "change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288259#288259


Oldtimer said:
...bring in some fresh faces, new ideas, and some major "Change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293596#293596


Oldtimer said:
We definitely need a change......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293582#293582


Oldtimer said:
...vote for a "Change"....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293421#293421


Oldtimer said:
It was quite apparent- they want "change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288309#288309


Oldtimer said:
I'd say its time for the "change"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294743#294743


Oldtimer said:
I have to vote for "Change"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303092#303092


Oldtimer said:
I am voting for CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302595#302595


Oldtimer said:
their will be CHANGE in D.C...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302161#302161


Oldtimer said:
now its time for change....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302493#302493


Oldtimer said:
"CHANGE" is coming...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303761#303761


Oldtimer said:
We need a "change" in directions....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306115#306115


Oldtimer said:
This country needs "CHANGE"......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306932#306932


Oldtimer said:
We need a change...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=307856#307856
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I wasn't a Clinton fan- didn't like the man...But will have to admit, I'd take back his economy and our standing in the world economically and politically- along with the stability we had, anytime over what GW has given us....

As far as "change"- I didn't realize how badly the nation wanted change until the other night I watch a panel discussion on C-SPAN of Conservative/Republican party members and pundits discussing what had happened to the election and to the Republican Party and trying to come up with ideas to keep the Party from going the way of the dinos...

It was brought up that the Republican party not only got beat for President- but took an "ARSE KICKING" nationwide... Besides 29 Govs now being Dems- many state legislatures went totally Dem controlled- and 7 states now have NO Repub representation in D.C (no Repub Congressmen or Senators)- and only one -Wyoming with one Congressman and 2 Senators is totally represented by Repubs....

Seems the whole nation thought the party of Bill Clinton was much better than the party of GW Bush :wink:
 

Texan

Well-known member
If voters had wanted a Clinton, they could have had the real thing. But they voted for "CHANGE" instead. And what are they getting? Clinton.

But you go ahead - just be a partisan clown and stand by your man. March in lockstep with your cultist idol and support everything he does. But one of these days you'll have to be honest enough to admit that Obama made a fool out of you. :wink:
 

Hanta Yo

Well-known member
Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Many I hear are saying this is the "change" they would gladly welcome back as the Clinton era represented peace, prosperity, and a budget surplus- where the Bush era will represent 2 poorly run wars, spend and borrow "fiscal conservity" that ran up a multi Trillion $ National debt and an impending depression that most economists are now predicting that if we can survive may take 7-10 years to recover from.... :(
So now I guess you're a fan of the Clinton Administration? You really have a problem admitting that Obama made a fool out of you, don't you? :???:

Here's some quotes I'll be reminding you of over the next few years. I really like the one about "...bring in some fresh faces, new ideas, and some major "Change"...." That was a good one. :lol:

Oldtimer said:
we need "CHANGE"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=307238#307238


Oldtimer said:
Time for "change"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=305704#305704


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=304946#304946


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE"......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303749#303749


Oldtimer said:
That needs to "CHANGE"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303179#303179


Oldtimer said:
Time for a "CHANGE"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303235#303235


Oldtimer said:
We need a change...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=300580#300580


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=292383#292383


Oldtimer said:
Time for a Change....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=292319#292319


Oldtimer said:
we need a CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=291711#291711


Oldtimer said:
We need CHANGE...

http://ranchers.net/forum/post-288536.html#288536


Oldtimer said:
The only hope is a Sweeping CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288747#288747


Oldtimer said:
We need a "change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288259#288259


Oldtimer said:
...bring in some fresh faces, new ideas, and some major "Change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293596#293596


Oldtimer said:
We definitely need a change......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293582#293582


Oldtimer said:
...vote for a "Change"....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293421#293421


Oldtimer said:
It was quite apparent- they want "change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288309#288309


Oldtimer said:
I'd say its time for the "change"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294743#294743


Oldtimer said:
I have to vote for "Change"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303092#303092


Oldtimer said:
I am voting for CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302595#302595


Oldtimer said:
their will be CHANGE in D.C...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302161#302161


Oldtimer said:
now its time for change....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302493#302493


Oldtimer said:
"CHANGE" is coming...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303761#303761


Oldtimer said:
We need a "change" in directions....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306115#306115


Oldtimer said:
This country needs "CHANGE"......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306932#306932


Oldtimer said:
We need a change...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=307856#307856

Sounds like the drumbeat Obahmah used :?

OT wrote:

Oldtimer said:
...bring in some fresh faces, new ideas, and some major "Change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293596#293596

Old Clintonites are fresh faces???????
 

fff

Well-known member
Don't be such a whiner. :roll:

Good grief. Yes, it's CHANGE. And Change We Can Believe In.

Change from BW Bush's croneyism. From: it's not what you know, it's who you know. Change to hiring proven, experienced people to run important agencies in the government.

Unlike Bush, who brought from Texas a bunch of yes men and Cheney's oil cronies, he's hiring people who have been to DC and actually worked for a successful Administration. He's also bringing some new faces to the Administration, like at Homeland Security.

While I'm disappointed about Hillary leaving the Senate, I think she can be an effective Secretary of State. That will certainly be CHANGE from Condi Rice. :roll:
 

Texan

Well-known member
fff said:
Don't be such a whiner. :roll:

Good grief. Yes, it's CHANGE. And Change We Can Believe In.
Buenas dias, ff. :D You should have taken your own advice about whining over the last few years. You haven't done anything but whine and pss and bitch and moan for years. Now it's your turn to listen to it for a change. Get used to it. :wink:

And BTW, did you post your advice to not be such a whiner over at your other favorite sites - the Kos and the Huffington Post? Because from what I heard, they don't share your exuberance over the "Change We Can Believe In." LOL

I don't frequent those sites, but I know you do and I hear that the hardcore libs over there aren't very happy with Obama for LYING about the "CHANGE" and now bringing in all of the old Clintonites. Did you tell them to stop whining? :lol:


fff said:
Change from BW Bush's croneyism. From: it's not what you know, it's who you know. Change to hiring proven, experienced people to run important agencies in the government.

Unlike Bush, who brought from Texas a bunch of yes men and Cheney's oil cronies, he's hiring people who have been to DC and actually worked for a successful Administration. He's also bringing some new faces to the Administration, like at Homeland Security.
What do you call the appointment of Eric Holder if not cronyism? Eric Holder is nothing but a sleazy scumbag - but he gets the top job at Justice because he supported Obama early-on and he knows where the bathrooms are at Justice. He's sure as hell not qualified from an integrity or honesty standpoint. But he and Obama are friends, so what else matters? :roll:


fff said:
While I'm disappointed about Hillary leaving the Senate, I think she can be an effective Secretary of State. That will certainly be CHANGE from Condi Rice. :roll:
This is what Obama said about Hillary Clinton a few months ago:

Back in April, Senator Obama referred to Senator Clinton as, "a compromised Washington insider."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/politics/21dems.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


He also questioned whether she is "honest and trustworthy" and referred to her as a "practitioner of old-style, special-interest politics."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/20/AR2008042002396.html?hpid=topnews

So...if he was being honest then and she's not "honest and trustworthy," why does he want her in his Administration?

And if she's really "a compromised Washington insider" and a "practitioner of old-style, special-interest politics," how does this represent "CHANGE?"

You don't think Obama would have lied about her, do you? :lol:
 

alice

Well-known member
Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Many I hear are saying this is the "change" they would gladly welcome back as the Clinton era represented peace, prosperity, and a budget surplus- where the Bush era will represent 2 poorly run wars, spend and borrow "fiscal conservity" that ran up a multi Trillion $ National debt and an impending depression that most economists are now predicting that if we can survive may take 7-10 years to recover from.... :(
So now I guess you're a fan of the Clinton Administration? You really have a problem admitting that Obama made a fool out of you, don't you? :???:

Here's some quotes I'll be reminding you of over the next few years. I really like the one about "...bring in some fresh faces, new ideas, and some major "Change"...." That was a good one. :lol:

Oldtimer said:
we need "CHANGE"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=307238#307238


Oldtimer said:
Time for "change"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=305704#305704


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=304946#304946


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE"......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303749#303749


Oldtimer said:
That needs to "CHANGE"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303179#303179


Oldtimer said:
Time for a "CHANGE"

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303235#303235


Oldtimer said:
We need a change...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=300580#300580


Oldtimer said:
We need "CHANGE".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=292383#292383


Oldtimer said:
Time for a Change....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=292319#292319


Oldtimer said:
we need a CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=291711#291711


Oldtimer said:
We need CHANGE...

http://ranchers.net/forum/post-288536.html#288536


Oldtimer said:
The only hope is a Sweeping CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288747#288747


Oldtimer said:
We need a "change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288259#288259


Oldtimer said:
...bring in some fresh faces, new ideas, and some major "Change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293596#293596


Oldtimer said:
We definitely need a change......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293582#293582


Oldtimer said:
...vote for a "Change"....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=293421#293421


Oldtimer said:
It was quite apparent- they want "change".....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=288309#288309


Oldtimer said:
I'd say its time for the "change"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294743#294743


Oldtimer said:
I have to vote for "Change"...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303092#303092


Oldtimer said:
I am voting for CHANGE.....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302595#302595


Oldtimer said:
their will be CHANGE in D.C...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302161#302161


Oldtimer said:
now its time for change....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=302493#302493


Oldtimer said:
"CHANGE" is coming...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=303761#303761


Oldtimer said:
We need a "change" in directions....

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306115#306115


Oldtimer said:
This country needs "CHANGE"......

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306932#306932


Oldtimer said:
We need a change...

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=307856#307856

Texan...were you having a slow day today? Jeeze Louise, how long did it take you to find and compose all of this?

Alice
 

Texan

Well-known member
alice said:
Texan...were you having a slow day today? Jeeze Louise, how long did it take you to find and compose all of this?

Alice

I just copied it and pasted it here today. It was from kola's "He's a broken record" thread last month. :wink:

Louise
 

lazy ace

Well-known member
If Obama gets Monica as an intern I will laugh my but off. :lol:

have a cold one (maybe half of one....conserve them in this economy)

lazy ace
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
fff said:
Don't be such a whiner. :roll:

Good grief. Yes, it's CHANGE. And Change We Can Believe In.

Change from BW Bush's croneyism. From: it's not what you know, it's who you know. Change to hiring proven, experienced people to run important agencies in the government.

Unlike Bush, who brought from Texas a bunch of yes men and Cheney's oil cronies, he's hiring people who have been to DC and actually worked for a successful Administration. He's also bringing some new faces to the Administration, like at Homeland Security.

While I'm disappointed about Hillary leaving the Senate, I think she can be an effective Secretary of State. That will certainly be CHANGE from Condi Rice. :roll:

I"m sitting here trying to remember one thing Hillary ever did that had anything to do with foreign policy other than taking the foreign trips with Bill Clinton when she was lst lady. But Sec. of State is nothing more than a message boy/girl anyway so why not give her the chance I guess.
 

Soapweed

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TexasBred said:
fff said:
Don't be such a whiner. :roll:

Good grief. Yes, it's CHANGE. And Change We Can Believe In.

Change from BW Bush's croneyism. From: it's not what you know, it's who you know. Change to hiring proven, experienced people to run important agencies in the government.

Unlike Bush, who brought from Texas a bunch of yes men and Cheney's oil cronies, he's hiring people who have been to DC and actually worked for a successful Administration. He's also bringing some new faces to the Administration, like at Homeland Security.

While I'm disappointed about Hillary leaving the Senate, I think she can be an effective Secretary of State. That will certainly be CHANGE from Condi Rice. :roll:

I"m sitting here trying to remember one thing Hillary ever did that had anything to do with foreign policy other than taking the foreign trips with Bill Clinton when she was lst lady. But Sec. of State is nothing more than a message boy/girl anyway so why not give her the chance I guess.

Don't forget how cool under fire Hillary was when dodging bullets on foreign soil.
 
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