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President Obama could wind up issuing fewer executive orders than any two-term president in a century, records show.

Obama has often exerted the power of his office in pursuit of his agenda, drawing charges from Republicans that he is acting like a “monarch” intent on destroying the Constitution’s balance of powers.

But a review of the historical record shows Obama is on track to issue roughly the same number of executive orders as President George W. Bush, and fewer than President Clinton.


As of Wednesday, Obama has issued 149 legally binding executive orders during his presidency, according to records kept by the National Archives and published in the Federal Register. The total includes 147 from his first term, and two this year.
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By comparison, Bush had issued 173 executive orders through the end of his first term, according to The American Presidency Project, an undertaking by the University of California, Santa Barbara. Clinton had issued 200 executive orders through his first term.

Franklin D. Roosevelt issued by far the most executive orders — 3,522 — and the practice dates back to President George Washington, who issued eight of them.


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/administration/290697-obama-shying-away-from-executive-orders#ixzz2OqT1q47H
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Gee for a Dictator Obama is behind even King George on issuing executive orders... :wink: :p :lol:
 

Whitewing

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I'm just glad he issued that executive order closing down Gitmo. That place was a real terrorist-recruiting aid for those al Quedy types. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Larrry

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The thing is these guys get off on being teabagged that they fail to see that Obama has even bypassed the executive orders to do things
 

hopalong

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maybe he spends so much time on vacation and golfing he has no time left......whathca think oldtimer,,,


I'll give you time to go ask your handlers how to respond to this :wink:
 

Tam

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Just wondering Oldtimer did Bush sign Executive Orders to implement something that the Congress had already said NO to?

Also wondering why it is that you called GW Bush, King George but you defend Obama's when as your own post claims he is on track to sign as many Executive Orders as King George, as you so lovingly call him?

If it was wrong in your mind for Bush to spend money like a drunken sailor why when Obama spends money like three drunken sailors on shore leave do you sit by as silent as a church mouse or worse yet defend him like a rabid rat?

If it was wrong under Bush, then since the economy is worse under Obama, it should be just as wrong if not worse, but not so much in your Booze spiked Koolaid soaked Democrat Cultist mind right Oldtimer. :roll:
 
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Tam said:
Just wondering Oldtimer did Bush sign Executive Orders to implement something that the Congress had already said NO to?

Yep-- best example is when he went around twice passed Congressional laws denying Mexican truckers access to the country- and allowed them in... Doing so by executive order and a signing statement...

Then you had his totally tearing the Constitution apart and signing an order authorizing unwarranted wiretapping- and spitting on the Geneva convention and making the US the hypocrits of the world by authorizing torture of prisoners...

Yep old Dictator Obama is slipping when you compare his 149 orders to other Presidents.. Even Ford in his short term signed 169 (including one pardoning Nixon)...

For your info Tammy here is the number by each President:

Teddy Roosevelt 1081
Taft 724
Wilson 1803
Coolidge 1203
Hoover 968
Ike 484
Nixon 346
LBJ 325
Carter 320
Reagan 381

Which means Obama better get in gear to compete with all those Dictators we've had in history...... :wink: :p :lol:


Tammy Faye wrote:
Also wondering why it is that you called GW Bush, King George but you defend Obama's when as your own post claims he is on track to sign as many Executive Orders as King George, as you so lovingly call him?

So why do you and your packmates call Obama a dictator- or the king? Looks like he's done less than George or most Presidents...
 

hopalong

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is that the best your handlers could do for you oldtimer???? guess they are getting weak and slow :roll: :roll: :roll: Even resulting to name calling again to try and make a point,,,,failing of course because no one takes much heed to what you or them say!!!!! :roll:
 

Larrry

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The thing left unsaid is the scope of the executive order
Some can have major impact and some are trivial orders
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Just wondering Oldtimer did Bush sign Executive Orders to implement something that the Congress had already said NO to?

Yep-- best example is when he went around twice passed Congressional laws denying Mexican truckers access to the country- and allowed them in... Doing so by executive order and a signing statement...

Then you had his totally tearing the Constitution apart and signing an order authorizing unwarranted wiretapping- and spitting on the Geneva convention and making the US the hypocrits of the world by authorizing torture of prisoners...

Yep old Dictator Obama is slipping when you compare his 149 orders to other Presidents.. Even Ford in his short term signed 169 (including one pardoning Nixon)...

For your info Tammy here is the number by each President:

Teddy Roosevelt 1081
Taft 724
Wilson 1803
Coolidge 1203
Hoover 968
Ike 484
Nixon 346
LBJ 325
Carter 320
Reagan 381

Which means Obama better get in gear to compete with all those Dictators we've had in history...... :wink: :p :lol:


Tammy Faye wrote:
Also wondering why it is that you called GW Bush, King George but you defend Obama's when as your own post claims he is on track to sign as many Executive Orders as King George, as you so lovingly call him?

So why do you and your packmates call Obama a dictator- or the king? Looks like he's done less than George or most Presidents...

So it must have really pizzed you off when the Democrat Controled Congress under Obama voted to extent the Partiot Act which included the warrentless Wiretapping and Obama never vetoed the bill. Right Oldtimer :wink:
 
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Larrry said:
The thing left unsaid is the scope of the executive order
Some can have major impact and some are trivial orders

Tell me which Obama executive order has had the most effect on you? I went thru the list of the orders- and I see none that effected me at all....
But it made me proud to again see that we honor our word and Obama banned torture as one of his first orders...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders#Barack_Obama_.282009.E2.80.93present.29
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
The thing left unsaid is the scope of the executive order
Some can have major impact and some are trivial orders

Tell me which Obama executive order has had the most effect on you? I went thru the list of the orders- and I see none that effected me at all....
But it made me proud to again see that we honor our word and Obama banned torture as one of his first orders...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders#Barack_Obama_.282009.E2.80.93present.29

Yeah, right, now we just outsource that job through the practice of rendition. :roll:

Press Mum as Renditions Continue Under Obama

During the Bush Administration, mainstream media outlets hammered President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for their "rendition" policy that allowed suspected terrorists to be detained overseas in foreign countries and interrogated at the direction of the US government. Hollywood even made a movie about it, so you know it was important.

As a candidate, Barack Obama indicated that he would reverse the policy in an article in Foreign Affairs.


To build a better, freer world, we must first behave in ways that reflect the decency and aspirations of the American people… This means ending the practices of shipping away prisoners in the dead of night to be tortured in far-off countries, of detaining thousands without charge or trial, of maintaining a network of secret prisons to jail people beyond the reach of the law.

Two days into his presidency, Obama quietly continued the evil rendition policy, and it has continued ever since. Last week it was revealed that three new detainees were taken prisoner in the small African country of Djibouti and interrogated by American agents:


U.S. agents accused the men — two of them Swedes, the other a longtime resident of Britain — of supporting al-Shabab, an Islamist militia in Somalia that Washington considers a terrorist group. Two months after their arrest, the prisoners were secretly indicted by a federal grand jury in New York, then clandestinely taken into custody by the FBI and flown to the United States to face trial.

The secret arrests and detentions came to light Dec. 21 when the suspects made a brief appearance in a Brooklyn courtroom.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/02/Obama-Rendition-Press-Mum

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OldMalleableEthics said:
Then you had his totally tearing the Constitution apart and signing an order authorizing unwarranted wiretapping

A practice which the King continues to this day, btw. And then there's that little issue of habeas corpus. Care to explain to me old man how the King denying habeas corpus to an American citizen is not taking a big, huge, stinking crap on one page of the Constitution and then wiping his skinny half-white ass with the other?

I eagerly await your explanation.
 
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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Larrry said:
The thing left unsaid is the scope of the executive order
Some can have major impact and some are trivial orders

Tell me which Obama executive order has had the most effect on you? I went thru the list of the orders- and I see none that effected me at all....
But it made me proud to again see that we honor our word and Obama banned torture as one of his first orders...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders#Barack_Obama_.282009.E2.80.93present.29

Yeah, right, now we just outsource that job through the practice of rendition. :roll:

Press Mum as Renditions Continue Under Obama

During the Bush Administration, mainstream media outlets hammered President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for their "rendition" policy that allowed suspected terrorists to be detained overseas in foreign countries and interrogated at the direction of the US government. Hollywood even made a movie about it, so you know it was important.

As a candidate, Barack Obama indicated that he would reverse the policy in an article in Foreign Affairs.


To build a better, freer world, we must first behave in ways that reflect the decency and aspirations of the American people… This means ending the practices of shipping away prisoners in the dead of night to be tortured in far-off countries, of detaining thousands without charge or trial, of maintaining a network of secret prisons to jail people beyond the reach of the law.

Two days into his presidency, Obama quietly continued the evil rendition policy, and it has continued ever since. Last week it was revealed that three new detainees were taken prisoner in the small African country of Djibouti and interrogated by American agents:


U.S. agents accused the men — two of them Swedes, the other a longtime resident of Britain — of supporting al-Shabab, an Islamist militia in Somalia that Washington considers a terrorist group. Two months after their arrest, the prisoners were secretly indicted by a federal grand jury in New York, then clandestinely taken into custody by the FBI and flown to the United States to face trial.

The secret arrests and detentions came to light Dec. 21 when the suspects made a brief appearance in a Brooklyn courtroom.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/02/Obama-Rendition-Press-Mum

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OldMalleableEthics said:
Then you had his totally tearing the Constitution apart and signing an order authorizing unwarranted wiretapping

A practice which the King continues to this day, btw. And then there's that little issue of habeas corpus. Care to explain to me old man how the King denying habeas corpus to an American citizen is not taking a big, huge, stinking crap on one page of the Constitution and then wiping his skinny half-white ass with the other?

I eagerly await your explanation.

Like I said for years-- once you put something into a Presidents toolbox- by not challenging it- which is what GW's rubber stamp Congress did for years--you set a precedent which no future President will give up...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Tell me which Obama executive order has had the most effect on you? I went thru the list of the orders- and I see none that effected me at all....
But it made me proud to again see that we honor our word and Obama banned torture as one of his first orders...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders#Barack_Obama_.282009.E2.80.93present.29

Yeah, right, now we just outsource that job through the practice of rendition. :roll:

Press Mum as Renditions Continue Under Obama

During the Bush Administration, mainstream media outlets hammered President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for their "rendition" policy that allowed suspected terrorists to be detained overseas in foreign countries and interrogated at the direction of the US government. Hollywood even made a movie about it, so you know it was important.

As a candidate, Barack Obama indicated that he would reverse the policy in an article in Foreign Affairs.


To build a better, freer world, we must first behave in ways that reflect the decency and aspirations of the American people… This means ending the practices of shipping away prisoners in the dead of night to be tortured in far-off countries, of detaining thousands without charge or trial, of maintaining a network of secret prisons to jail people beyond the reach of the law.

Two days into his presidency, Obama quietly continued the evil rendition policy, and it has continued ever since. Last week it was revealed that three new detainees were taken prisoner in the small African country of Djibouti and interrogated by American agents:


U.S. agents accused the men — two of them Swedes, the other a longtime resident of Britain — of supporting al-Shabab, an Islamist militia in Somalia that Washington considers a terrorist group. Two months after their arrest, the prisoners were secretly indicted by a federal grand jury in New York, then clandestinely taken into custody by the FBI and flown to the United States to face trial.

The secret arrests and detentions came to light Dec. 21 when the suspects made a brief appearance in a Brooklyn courtroom.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/01/02/Obama-Rendition-Press-Mum

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OldMalleableEthics said:
Then you had his totally tearing the Constitution apart and signing an order authorizing unwarranted wiretapping

A practice which the King continues to this day, btw. And then there's that little issue of habeas corpus. Care to explain to me old man how the King denying habeas corpus to an American citizen is not taking a big, huge, stinking crap on one page of the Constitution and then wiping his skinny half-white ass with the other?

I eagerly await your explanation.

Like I said for years-- once you put something into a Presidents toolbox- by not challenging it- which is what GW's rubber stamp Congress did for years--you set a precedent which no future President will give up...

Wow, OT didn't answer the only question I asked. What a shock. :roll:

Let's be clear here OT. You don't give a fat rat's ass about that precious Constitution [your words] and your total indifference to the King shitting on the document is all the evidence anyone needs. It's one of the few benefits America has gotten out of the King's election....the absolute de-nutting of whining liberals like you.

Hypocrite.

I'll give you another shot at answering the question, but I suspect you won't bother.

Precious Constitution. :lol: Farkin' joke you are.
 

Larrry

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ot you failed again...you sure are a scrote


Forget executive orders: Obama finds creative means to bypass Congress

Move over executive orders. President Obama has another tool to push policy absent congressional stamp — and it’s far less known and controversial. It’s called executive action.

The beauty of the action is that it avoids Republican criticisms and conservative charges that Mr. Obama acts like a “monarch” when issuing executive orders, The Hill reports. So while on paper, Mr. Obama may actually appear as if he’s issuing fewer executive orders than many other presidents who have served two terms, the reality is he’s still finding plenty of ways to bypass Congress. He’s just not calling those ways executive orders.

SEE RELATED: Food stamp president: Enrollment up 70 percent under Obama

“He’s actually been pretty aggressive on a number of fronts,” said Kenneth Mayer, a University of Wisconsin political science professor quoted by The Hill.

Mr. Obama has disdained the executive order label for “executive actions,” Mr. Mayer said. And he’s used that action to push his own policy on a variety of issues, from gun control to immigration to overseas drone strikes, The Hill reports.

For example, in 2011, the president put a stop to the deportation of thousands of illegal immigrants via a memo to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, The Hill reports.

“Clearly, she was acting as an instrument of the president,” Mr. Mayer said. And Congress wasn’t pleased.

The president’s action was “an affront to the process of representative government,” said Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley, in The Hill. “He’s circumventing Congress with a directive he may not have the authority to execute.”

© Copyright 2013 The Washington Times, LLC

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Steve

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Tell me which Obama executive order has had the most effect on you? I went thru the list of the orders- and I see none that effected me at all...

President Bush clamped down on illegal immigrants catch and release..

even with a struggling economy Obama has all but reversed any progress made in deporting illegals.. mostly by counting imaginary self deportations..

the so called dream act is one ... his preference on who gets deported is another..

Obama has made it difficult for ICE to do their job...

with illegals released and out working or stealing to live here , it effects US all

those looking for work are directly effected the ability to find work.

when the illegals can undercut any decent price an American can offer or work for by not paying taxes.. it hurts US all...
 

Steve

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President Obama Issued a Directive, Not an “Executive Order” or “New Law”

Immigration hardliners were predictably quick to criticize President Obama’s recent announcement that DHS will use discretion to halt the deportations

However, while folks are free to criticize the President, they should at least strive for accuracy. The President did not create a new law, sign an executive order or grant anyone citizenship or amnesty, he merely directed DHS to exercise discretion to grant deferred action to qualified immigrant

yep ,.. not only did Obama bypass the legislative branch on his immigration policy.. he did it through a directive ...

while it is not an executive order,.. it has had the effect of eliminating the congress's legal intent on immigration law and policy..



Deferred Enforced Departure (DED) is a temporary, discretionary, administrative stay of removal granted to aliens from designated countries. Unlike TPS, DED emanates from the President’s constitutional powers to conduct foreign relations and has no statutory basis. (Because DED is not a statutory provision under the Immigration and Nationality Act it is not considered an immigration status.) The President designates DED for nationals of a particular country through either an Executive Order or a Presidentia l Memorandum.

using his power to conduct foreign relations as an excuse to violate our immigration law..

how much more could Obama twist the constitution to justify breaking the immigration laws?
 

Steve

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Obama has not only used executive actions..

but also Presidential Policy Directives.

Presidential Directives,

Presidential Study Directives..

and signing statements..


so OT to claim that the executive order are less then Bush.. may be correct.. as Obama uses other tactics to evade breaking his campaign rhetoric ..

Despite the fact that Obama campaigned on the platform of eliminating abuse of executive powers,... of using executive orders and signing statements ,... as a way of doing an end run around Congress,”

so instead they just call them something else..
 

Whitewing

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Forget it Steve, trying to get the old man to say a negative word about the King would be easier than getting a Venezuelan to put gravy on his rice.....ain't gonna happen.

He's the ultimate D-cultist.
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