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The Iraqs are upset that fuel prices are going up in Iraq! Maybe we should take a lesson from them and demonstrate in the streets because of our gas prices. Link below; my emphasis.

"Violent demonstrations broke out across Iraq and the oil minister threatened to resign Monday after the government raised the prices of gasoline and cooking fuel by up to nine times."

"The price of a liter of imported and super gasoline was raised to 17 cents, which is a fivefold increase from previous prices. There are about 3.8 liters in a gallon, meaning the new price is about 65 cents a gallon."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051219/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_fuel_protests
 

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65 cents.......
wow thier middle men don't know a thing about mark up and gouging......

but then again, how much gas does it take to run a camel?
 

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65 cents.......
wow thier middle men don't know a thing about mark up and gouging......

but then again, how much gas does it take to run a camel?

Gasoline costs just as much in Iraq. Your tax dollars are subsidizing that low price the Iraqis have to pay while Americans live in tents on the Gulf Coast and the House has cut Medicade spending on the poor and sick, college loans for those wanting to improve their lives, and possibly grain subsidies that will, for sure, hurt the cattle feeding business.
 

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Gasoline costs just as much in Iraq.

that is economically untrue,

Cost is not the same in differant markets.

Our cost would be higher as we have "added costs of Production, Transportation, Delivery, and Taxes".....

some of those costs would include but not be limited to:

Transportation. transporting Gas from Iraq to the US in not free and would be added cost to our base price...

Refinery Production costs in the US are increased by many factors including regulation, enviromental and impact costs, thus adding to our costs...

add in insurance, labor and many of the final delivery costs and it is easy to realize the added costs you ignore....but before we as US consumers get the Gas in our Tank, thier is the liberal cost, of excessive taxes on the product.......so to say that Gas costs the same in Iraq as the US ignores the true economic cost burden placed on our Fuel price......
 

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college loans for those wanting to improve their lives,

another liberal lie? Just another case of how liberals have distorted the measures,

"the plan would ultimately help students by raising the limits on what freshmen and sophomores can borrow, and by eventually reducing the overall costs of the loans."

"Right now, students pay as much as a 3 percent loan origination fee. Under the GOP plan the origination fee would be phased out,"

"The only thing left for Democrats to do, given that they clearly did not have the votes to stop (or even amend) the measure, was to score political points by portraying the bill over and over again as one that would take money out of students’ pockets to pay,"

"Student groups advocated for those cuts for years, but they had hoped the savings would be given back to students to keep loan costs down. The Senate bill does recycle some of the money back into the students loans, while the $14.3 billion in House cuts are largely for deficit reduction."

No link provided to defeat Dis's Baseless claim, and anyway she didn't give one when she made up her lie, that I disproved with FACTS again.. ...:lol::lol:
 

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the House has cut Medicade spending on the poor and sick,

if any one Cut Medicaid it was the ""In the Senate’s watershed 52-48 roll call, a coalition of Democrats and moderate Republicans voted for""

"Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore., who led the fight against the Medicaid cuts, conceded the House-Senate compromise budget will likely contain some Medicaid savings and said he would vote for it. Even so, the Senate vote highlighted many lawmakers’ unease with making even modest cuts in rapidly growing benefits, which consume nearly two-thirds of the budget."

Blame it on the Republicans, who voted against the the bloated amandment.....seems to be the liberals Lie....again....

but some facts won't deter the liberal lies......

Together, state and federal governments are expected to spend nearly $330 billion on Medicaid in 2005. Medicaid accounts for 22 percent of state budgets, when factoring in federal funds. Thats up from just 8 percent in 1985. That means the growth of Medicaid spending is crowding out funding for other programs that states deliver, including education, corrections and transportation. State budgets still are feeling relentless pressure from Medicaid. ...Between 2002 and 2005, all states reduced payments to health care providers such as doctors and nursing homes and tried various prescription drug cost controls. Thirty-eight states tightened eligibility requirements, and 34 states cut benefits"...

Thats right States control the State's Medicaid program, Not President Bush.........The funding formula for the states is set by the program the state chooses, and is a matching fund. That is considered an entitlement program, if the states spend it, the Feds ( under president Bush ) match that amount....

It is cases such as Tennesee's that show how wrong the liberals are and how they are hurting the poor ' but in an effort to Hate Bush they care little about facts.....


"Tennessee will lose over a billion in matching federal funds, since it currently gets $2 from the federal government for every state dollar spent on TennCare."
http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=1415
 

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and the House has cut, ....... and possibly grain subsidies that will, for sure, hurt the cattle feeding business.

capping payments, closing loopholes that allow some farmers to pocket triple allocations, and excluding wealthy urban investors are all ideas with appeal -- even in Iowa. Bush's proposal led Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the only working farmer in Congress, to praise the Administration for "the wisdom in developing reasonable, legitimate payment limits."............... Studies indicate that about 10% of farmers (wealthy urban investors) collect nearly 70% of subsidies.
 

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Steve said:
and the House has cut, ....... and possibly grain subsidies that will, for sure, hurt the cattle feeding business.

capping payments, closing loopholes that allow some farmers to pocket triple allocations, and excluding wealthy urban investors are all ideas with appeal -- even in Iowa. Bush's proposal led Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the only working farmer in Congress, to praise the Administration for "the wisdom in developing reasonable, legitimate payment limits."............... Studies indicate that about 10% of farmers (wealthy urban investors) collect nearly 70% of subsidies.

It doesn't matter to me who collects the subsidy, Steve. If wheat and corn aren't subsidized, it won't be cheap to feed my cattle. If the feedlot has to pay more for feed, they'll pay less for my cattle.
 

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Steve said:
college loans for those wanting to improve their lives,

another liberal lie? Just another case of how liberals have distorted the measures,

"the plan would ultimately help students by raising the limits on what freshmen and sophomores can borrow, and by eventually reducing the overall costs of the loans."

"Right now, students pay as much as a 3 percent loan origination fee. Under the GOP plan the origination fee would be phased out,"

"The only thing left for Democrats to do, given that they clearly did not have the votes to stop (or even amend) the measure, was to score political points by portraying the bill over and over again as one that would take money out of students’ pockets to pay,"

"Student groups advocated for those cuts for years, but they had hoped the savings would be given back to students to keep loan costs down. The Senate bill does recycle some of the money back into the students loans, while the $14.3 billion in House cuts are largely for deficit reduction."

No link provided to defeat Dis's Baseless claim, and anyway she didn't give one when she made up her lie, that I disproved with FACTS again.. ...:lol::lol:

ROTFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh, Steve. :D
 

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Americans live in tents on the Gulf Coast

actually they are in Hotel rooms,,,according to your last post on that subject...

Come on, Steve. Get your search engine out and show me no one is living in a tent on the Gulf Coast. Show us how smart you are!
 

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Steve said:
Gasoline costs just as much in Iraq.

that is economically untrue,

Cost is not the same in differant markets.

Our cost would be higher as we have "added costs of Production, Transportation, Delivery, and Taxes".....

some of those costs would include but not be limited to:

Transportation. transporting Gas from Iraq to the US in not free and would be added cost to our base price...

Refinery Production costs in the US are increased by many factors including regulation, enviromental and impact costs, thus adding to our costs...

add in insurance, labor and many of the final delivery costs and it is easy to realize the added costs you ignore....but before we as US consumers get the Gas in our Tank, thier is the liberal cost, of excessive taxes on the product.......so to say that Gas costs the same in Iraq as the US ignores the true economic cost burden placed on our Fuel price......

Iraq is not making enough of their own gasoline. Most of it is being trucked in from neighboring countries by contractors who charge very high prices to do that work. That's not a surprise, given the dangers in driving the roads in Iraq.
 

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Show us how smart you are!

It's easier to show what a liberal you are.......

but here goes it took 3 seconds to show you are a liberal and can't face the truth...

The Federal Emergency Management Agency continues to pick up the tab for an estimated 42,000 hotel rooms in 47 states and the District of Columbia.

but while local democratic officials continue to blame others the feds a stuck with thousands of Mobile homes and no local liberals who will take them.........

"There are also more than 5,000 FEMA mobile homes in Arkansas sitting unused,"

FEMA responded Tuesday, telling CNN it is ready to deliver 125,000 trailers to the area but that parish officials "still have to identify places to put them."

The agency said that St. Bernard Parish "has identified 1,000 sites for trailers ... 500 of them have already been installed, and the rest are in the works." "So far, FEMA has provided rental assistance for more than 500,000 families and housed more than 40,000 in travel trailers," Nicol Andrews said.
 

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Steve said:
Show us how smart you are!

It's easier to show what a liberal you are.......

but here goes it took 3 seconds to show you are a liberal and can't face the truth...

The Federal Emergency Management Agency continues to pick up the tab for an estimated 42,000 hotel rooms in 47 states and the District of Columbia.

but while local democratic officials continue to blame others the feds a stuck with thousands of Mobile homes and no local liberals who will take them.........

"There are also more than 5,000 FEMA mobile homes in Arkansas sitting unused,"

FEMA responded Tuesday, telling CNN it is ready to deliver 125,000 trailers to the area but that parish officials "still have to identify places to put them."

The agency said that St. Bernard Parish "has identified 1,000 sites for trailers ... 500 of them have already been installed, and the rest are in the works." "So far, FEMA has provided rental assistance for more than 500,000 families and housed more than 40,000 in travel trailers," Nicol Andrews said.

I thought you'd fall for that: :D

'Tent cities have risen on Mississippi's Gulf Coast to house some of the estimated 5,000 families still homeless from Hurricane Katrina, a report said."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20051220-09251000-bc-us-katrina.xml

"The tent city here is one of three set up in recent weeks along the Mississippi coast, making room for families now that the emergency shelters have closed and the Federal Emergency Management Agency is working through a backlog of some 5,000 families still on waiting lists for government-supplied travel trailers or mobile homes.... "
http://www.civilrights.org/issues/housing/details.cfm?id=38874

"The Henrys are among the 4,000 people still homeless in Pass Christian, whose pre-Katrina population was approximately 6,000.
Recently, they moved into the The Village, a group of military tents built by the Navy Sea Bees the Navy's construction battalion — and run by Americorp volunteers. The Village is the first sign of life in downtown Pass Christian since 75 percent of its homes were wiped off the map
."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1337741
 

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I thought you'd fall for that:

"is ready to deliver 125,000 trailers to the area but that parish officials "still have to identify places to put them."

is ready to deliver 125,000 trailers to the area but that parish officials "still have to identify places to put them."

If people are waiting for trailers,,,,according to CNN, they should Pressure local Democrats to get off the stump and do thier Job.....

but you blamed President Bush for cutting the Budget, and making people live in tents.....a lie......The Feds, have trailers for them 125,000 trailers at that, ready and waiting for local democrats to take them......

How can you cliam it is a budget problem when you know full well it is a local democrat grandstanding that is the real problem.......
 

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Steve said:
I thought you'd fall for that:

"is ready to deliver 125,000 trailers to the area but that parish officials "still have to identify places to put them."

is ready to deliver 125,000 trailers to the area but that parish officials "still have to identify places to put them."

If people are waiting for trailers,,,,according to CNN, they should Pressure local Democrats to get off the stump and do thier Job.....

but you blamed President Bush for cutting the Budget, and making people live in tents.....a lie......The Feds, have trailers for them 125,000 trailers at that, ready and waiting for local democrats to take them......

How can you cliam it is a budget problem when you know full well it is a local democrat grandstanding that is the real problem.......

ROTFLMAO! Changing the subject are we? :D You claimed no one was living in tents and "...it took 3 seconds to show you are a liberal and can't face the truth". Maybe you should take more than three seconds and you won't make yourself out to be so foolish, or prove to this board who can't fact the truth. :lol:
 

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ROTFLMAO! Changing the subject are we?

actually if you look at the Quote I was quoting you when you said the admistration had then in Hotels.......and that budget cuts put them in Tents???

a lie no budget cut, actually more money.....was it 2 or 3 billion
Plenty of Hotels, extended again......and gave more money......
and Plenty of Trailers... and more if needed.....
So keep changing the subject is shows how stupid liberals can be...when faced with facts.......


but maybe you should read what you said,,,before you change the subject,,,,man you need a better source for your crap,( or take your free meds... your starting to look like SteveC, and his ultra liberal rants...
 

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ROTFLMAO! Changing the subject are we?

actually if you look at the Quote I was quoting you when you said the admistration had then in Hotels.......and that budget cuts put them in Tents???

Maybe you should be careful who you quote? :D :D The government was planning to kick everyone in hotels out, but someone got a court order and stopped that. But not everyone was in a hotel. I said while we're spending a billion dollars a week in Iraq, American citizens are living in tents. That's the truth. You try to spin and claim they're all in hotels. My statement is the truth. Thousands of Americans are living in tents on the Gulf Coast while we subsidize cheap gas for the Iraqis. Thousands of American children on the Gulf Coast have no schools to go to, but the Iraqi children have schools, paid for by US tax dollars. I think we should spend that billion$ per week on Americans, not Iraqis.

a lie no budget cut, actually more money.....was it 2 or 3 billion
Plenty of Hotels, extended again......and gave more money......
and Plenty of Trailers... and more if needed.....
So keep changing the subject is shows how stupid liberals can be...when faced with facts.......

Not a lie. You claimed they weren't living in tents. They are. Why? Because the Bush Administration is making this country choose between helping their own citizens and his war in Iraq.

but maybe you should read what you said,,,before you change the subject,,,,man you need a better source for your crap,( or take your free meds... your starting to look like SteveC, and his ultra liberal rants...

I know what I said: I said Americans were living in tents on the Gulf Coast and I have facts, websites to back it up. You want to spin, go ahead. :D
 

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