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Catchy title.

http://clashdaily.com/2014/09/survive-beheading-attempt/

As mentioned, remembering Beslan.

http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/beslan-child-rape-torture-enforced.html
 
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Catchy title.

http://clashdaily.com/2014/09/survive-beheading-attempt/

5. Be politically active and support candidates who would bulldoze mosques.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What about this little piece of paper Reagan speaks of and rightwingernuts claim :roll: so vigorously that they supposedly support... :???:

Traveler- do you advocate we just turn a blind eye on that part of the Constitution because it doesn't fit your bigotry :???: :( That is essentially what you are saying if you support this author...
 

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Oldtimer said:
Traveler said:
Catchy title.

http://clashdaily.com/2014/09/survive-beheading-attempt/

5. Be politically active and support candidates who would bulldoze mosques.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What about this little piece of paper Reagan speaks of and rightwingernuts claim :roll: so vigorously that they supposedly support... :???:

Traveler- do you advocate we just turn a blind eye on that part of the Constitution because it doesn't fit your bigotry :???: :( That is essentially what you are saying if you support this author...

Says the Taqiyya who worships Allah.
 

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What about it indeed. How the hell is Obama care (or Obama anything else) consistent with the tenth amendment. The constitution is dead. No constitution, no union.
 
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What about it indeed. How the hell is Obama care (or Obama anything else) consistent with the tenth amendment. The constitution is dead. No constitution, no union.

Well- (besides the majority of the current Supreme Court of the United States) most of the Republican Party and the Heritage Foundation believed in the constitutionality of and supported the general concept of the nationwide mandate for insurance for years and years as their answer to the spiraling Health Care costs... In fact it was their answer to the Dems whenever they promoted nationalized insurance like during the Hillary care arguments...

Most then believed it Constitutional under the Commerce Clause:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

It wasn't until after Obama and the Dems adopted the Republicans/conservatives mandate concept that the Republicans/conservatives then began screaming "unconstitutional" about it.... :shock: :roll: :???:
 

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Article I, Section 8, Clause 3

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, private insurance companies and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

obamacare is commerce with insurance companies, not states, nor nations, or Indian tribes.

Leftists like OT sure do have a problem in reading comprehension
 
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Article I, Section 8, Clause 3

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, private insurance companies and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

obamacare is commerce with insurance companies, not states, nor nations, or Indian tribes.

Leftists like OT sure do have a problem in reading comprehension

National/International insurance companies doing business across state and sometimes international boundaries ....

So are you now saying that for 45+ years (Nixon first proposed the employer mandate concept to Congress in the 70's) it was Constitutional- but now its not :???: Were the Republicans/Heritage foundation wrong for 45+ years when the supported a mandate :???:
Why did the Supreme Court of the United States (led by the Republican appointee Chief Justice Roberts) again now say its Constitutional :???: .....


GOP Leaders Backed a Healthcare Mandate

Wednesday, 08 Jun 2011 09:35 AM

By Ronald Kessler

Conservatives’ biggest knock against presidential candidate Mitt Romney is that he implemented an individual health insurance mandate in Massachusetts. But if you look at the Republican leaders who have supported the idea over the years, you wonder who is fooling whom.

In the early 1970s, President Richard Nixon favored such a mandate. In the 1990s, Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole and House Speaker Newt Gingrich supported a mandate.

The Heritage Foundation, one of the top conservative think tanks, embraced a mandate.


“Yes, in the early 1990s, we, along with other prominent conservative economists, supported the idea of such a mandate,” Robert Moffit, a Heritage scholar, wrote in an Op-Ed in The Washington Post.

“It seemed the only way to solve the ‘free-rider’ problem in which individuals can, under federal law, walk into any hospital emergency room nationwide and rack up big bills at taxpayer expense,” Moffit added.


“Most Republican leaders in that era supported a mandate, and the Romney plan came out of the Heritage plan,” Dave Keene, the president of the National Rifle Association and former chairman of the American Conservative Union, tells Newsmax.

In fact, “The idea of an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer was a Republican idea,” says health economist Mark Pauly of the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School.

More recently, when asked on Fox News in February 2007 about the Romney plan, Republican Sen. Jim DeMint, chairman of the Senate Steering Committee and a favorite of the tea party movement, said, “Well, that’s something that I think we should do for the whole country.”

In announcing his run for governor of Minnesota, Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty said in May 2006, “We’ll be looking, like we do in automobile insurance, to require people who have the resources and the means to have [health] insurance.”

In November 2006, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reported that Pawlenty said he was “open to a state law that would try to achieve universal coverage by requiring that all Minnesotans have insurance.”

Asked if a health insurance mandate would be a good idea, current Republican presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman said in September 2007 on Utah’s KUED, “I’m comfortable with a requirement.”

In March 2008, Huntsman as Utah’s governor signed into law healthcare reform legislation that included a requirement that the state study “the costs and benefits associated with (a) different forms of mandates for individual responsibility; and (b) potential enforcement mechanisms for individual responsibility.”

Pawlenty has since said he never supported a mandate, Huntsman says he never pushed it, and Gingrich and DeMint say they now oppose a mandate. Romney has said the first thing he would do as president is grant waivers from the Obama healthcare law to all states and seek to repeal it.

But to demonize the former Massachusetts governor for having adopted an idea that was supposedly anathema to Republicans is to rewrite history.

http://www.newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/Healthcaremandate-HeritageFoundation-Gingrich-Nixon/2011/06/08/id/399250/#ixzz3Dvcpymxv

Nixons 1974 letter to Congress originally proposing the employer mandate:

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

History of the individual mandate proposal:
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182
 

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You yourself have mentioned that there have been laws passed that were not Constitutional and the "slippery slope", correct?

Why are you now in favour of the "slippery slope"

Seems to me that the slope is getting steeper and the US is speeding towards the cliff at an increased pace, due to Leftists like yourself.
 

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OT is for anything he perceives as "free" that allows him an even bigger space at the government trough. It's all about he freebies with leftwingernuts and libtards like him.
 
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You yourself have mentioned that there have been laws passed that were not Constitutional and the "slippery slope", correct?

Why are you now in favour of the "slippery slope"

Seems to me that the slope is getting steeper and the US is speeding towards the cliff at an increased pace, due to Leftists like yourself.

Leftists :???: Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Newt Gingrich, Richard Nixon, Orrin Hatch, Bob Dole, Jim DeMint, Tom Pawlenty, Alan Simpson :???:

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Here is 25 of the more prominent "leftists" you speak of that have the country going over the cliff... :wink: :lol: :lol:

25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama

—By Erika Eichelberger

| Tue Aug. 27, 2013 6:00 AM EDT

Carline Jean/Sun Sentinel/ZUMAPress

Republicans have pulled out all the stops to kill Obamacare, the president's landmark health care law that requires every American to purchase health insurance by 2014. There have been lawsuits; there have been bills (40 in the House so far); there has been a Supreme Court case—all aimed at rolling back a law that that the GOP says is an assault on individual liberty. Now, with only a few more months to go until the individual mandate—the requirement that we all have coverage—kicks in, Republicans are frantic; some are even threatening to force the United States to default on its debts if Democrats don't agree to delay the law.

This is odd because the individual mandate, the cornerstone of Obamacare, was originally a conservative idea. It was first proposed by the Heritage Foundation in 1989. And scores of Republicans—not just Mitt Romney—have backed the idea in the past couple of decades. Here are some of the GOPers who supported Obamacare before Obama:

1. Rick Santorum? The Allentown Morning Call reported several times in 1994 that Santorum wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits." Santorum denies allegations that he ever supported an individual mandate.

2. President George H.W. Bush: In 1991, Mark Pauly, an adviser to the first Bush, and now a conservative health economist, came up with a Heritage-style health care proposal for the president as an alternative to the employer-based mandate that Democrats were pushing at the time.

3. Former Vice President Dan Quayle: He was down with the Heritage idea too.

4. Mitt Romney: Romneycare was Romney's signature legislative achievement as governor of Massachusetts, and it served as a model for Obamacare. During the 2012 campaign, the presidential contender had trouble deciding what his position was on Obamacare, and he deflected the blame for having conceived a similar plan; at one debate he noted that "we got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich]."

5. Newt Gingrich: Though he reversed his position in May 2011, Gingrich had been a big supporter of the individual mandate since his early days in the House. In 1992 and 1993, when Republicans were looking for alternatives to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, many, including then-House minority whip Gingrich, backed the Heritage idea. (Gingrich has said that most conservatives supported an individual mandate for health insurance at the time.)

Twenty of his fellow GOPers cosponsored a 1993 health care bill which included an individual mandate and vouchers for poor people. As health scholar Avik Roy wrote at Forbes in 2012, "Given that there were 43 Republicans in the Senate of the 103rd Congress, these 20 comprised nearly half of the Republican Senate Caucus at that time." Here are those lawmakers:

6. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

7. Sen. John Chafee (R-R.I.)

8. Sen. Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

9. Sen. Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

10. Sen. George Brown (R-Colo.)

11. Sen. John Danforth (R-Mo.)

12. Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

13. Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

14. Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

15. Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

16. Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

17. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

18. Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

19. Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

20. Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

21. Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

22. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

23. Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

24. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

25. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)


Many of these folks changed their minds after the individual mandate became a Dem idea. Here is Hatch in 2010: "Congress has never crossed the line between regulating what people choose to do and ordering them to do it," he said of Obama's health care law. "The difference between regulating and requiring is liberty."


And this is the true comical tragedy of partisan politics:
Many of these folks changed their minds after the individual mandate became a Dem idea.
 

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Hey dumbass, so you say some clause outweighs a byGod amendment. BS

So you say the Supreme Court was correct when it said negroes were not people?
 

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Pay attention OT, your ignorance is way past tedious. As the governer of a state, in league with state congress, hell yes, that is just where the law must emanate. There is no there there. I know you're not stupid enough to believe your crap, I can't believe you'd waste time writing such crap.

Nixon? Wasn't he that statist criminal that tried all the sleazy crimes that Obama is pulling? Yeah, Nixon was a big part of the 20th century that sold out our constitution.

OT, don't besmirch decent guys like Ron Paul with your statist vote.
 

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Oldtimer said:
Traveler said:
Catchy title.

http://clashdaily.com/2014/09/survive-beheading-attempt/

5. Be politically active and support candidates who would bulldoze mosques.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

What about this little piece of paper Reagan speaks of and rightwingernuts claim :roll: so vigorously that they supposedly support... :???:

Traveler- do you advocate we just turn a blind eye on that part of the Constitution because it doesn't fit your bigotry :???: :( That is essentially what you are saying if you support this author...
So now you throw out the word bigotry. Something you've not used to describe the radicals who behead Christians and want to kill "infidels". A word more fitting to your view of Tea Partiers perhaps?

I actually see the statement about bulldozing mosques as a hyperbole. To me it means don't vote in any more spineless community organizers who think they know more than their own military advisers, and basically dither, equivocate and capitulate. But on the other hand, if they become a haven for radicals, maybe they do need to come to the same fate as so many Christians and Churches have met at the hands of their ISIS brethren.

Is protecting our citizens against what is likely in the works, according to those who actually have worked much of their lives in defense, are we prohibiting the free exercise of religion?
 

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I am a firm believer that any Muslim, especially the ones of the moderate or radical type, Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS members, and even some who claim to be peaceful, should have the opportunity for a come to Jesus moment. These moments come in various calibers, from .223 all the way up to .50 caliber. Islam is NOT a religion, and should not be treated as such. Mosques should be treated no differently than a hideout for murderers, rapists, perverts, and thieves.
 

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