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How will country of origin affect canadian beef prices

How will M Cool affect imported beef prices

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HAY MAKER

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Its been a long 16 years of running battles,but Sept 30th, Country of origin is mandatory,that means the cattle man can finally demand his check off dollars are used to promote his product,just like the canadians have been doing for years.
I caint help but wonder how this change will affect imported beef prices,its been a long time coming,lots of hard fought battles,we can think R CAlf for this change,its my humble opinion it would have never happened without them.....................good luck
 
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I feel we will first have to get an Administration, Ag Secretary, and USDA leadership that again puts America first- and will actively support USA products instead of the current globalist thinking that has leaned heavily toward making everything "globally generic" even if the quality and the soundness of the imported product is greatly lacking....
 

HAY MAKER

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I think this so called "globalization"scam has just about run its course,look at all the jobs we lost,and all the junk we get in return,when we trade...........it damn sure needs to benefit the United states people,not multinationals that just move to another country after they suck this one dry.
I hate to be labeled,but I caint think of one thing outside the USA borders,that is needed around here,most of the junk is about as reliable as a womans watch,add the fact we brought in tainted beef,if it was'nt for R Calf,USDA would still be comingling cattle we would be in a helluva mess.................good luck
 

PORKER

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Country of Origin has affected all hogs ,sheep,goats, and cattle coming into the US. All feeder pigs have coming in are gone. Packers don't know how to handle different origin of animals inside the packing plants. They can't afford a mistake because of the COOL law fines . Have you noticed the calf feeder price the last few weeks as it has been rising.
 

Kato

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I'm not voting on this one, because how it turns out depends on whether or not you guys can get your quality control up to snuff. :wink: Keep up with the recalls and people will be looking for beef that is processed elsewhere.

Globalization? Who's behind that I wonder? :?: Let me see, I think there are a number of American corporations right up at the front of the line, with Walmart at the lead, but far from alone. :shock: :shock: :shock: Does that mean America has been 'scamming' the rest of the world? :wink:

We heard it here first! :D :D :D

I caint think of one thing outside the USA borders,that is needed around here

Oil 8)

And some really good age verified, individually ID'd, traceable barley fed beef .............. :wink: :wink: :wink:
 

PORKER

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And some really good age verified, individually ID'd, traceable barley fed beef .............. There is companies looking for BEEF if the seller uses ScoringAg traceback records for retail as ScoringAg does COOL record archiving at retail. Right here in Michigan !
 

HAY MAKER

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We have plenty of oil,right here in Texas,and the best way for us to control quality is control our borders...........no more of this tainted barley beef..................good luck
 

mrj

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Careful boys! COOL affects only either 5% or 20% of imported beef.

I've forgotten if the figure I read wass 5% or one fifth of imported beef.

Either way, it is a very small amount compared with the costs of doing the job.

It gives a false sense of food safety, being a marketing ploy rather than a true food safety issue.

What happens when consumers buy some of that tough old shoe leather Haymaker raises down there on his Mexican border ranch......and how do we know he isn't cheating on the real 'origin'????? If it isn't him, there sure are some US producers making some poor quality beef. Not everyone has the same quality cattle, after all, but northern raised (US, or Canadian for that matter) cattle have reputations as the best in the world.

BTW, it has been TECHNOLOGY and not globalization which has "taken" jobs in the USA.......and increasing their education and/or work habits will gain even better jobs for most all US workers losing their jobs. At least those who TRY to get better jobs.

Trade Agreements generally give us relief from excessive tariffs for US produced beef and other products we sell into other nations.......and I say it's about time!

Some in this country may not choose to buy products from overseas, but a lot of 'foreigners' want to buy our products, especially now that our dollar is lower value than previously.

Don't forget, according to the Sunday supplement magazines in some newspapers, numbers of millionaires are increasing fast in other nations, especially in CHina and Russia. Lets get those US products flowing to them!

Trade, not protectionism, is what makes the world a better place for all people.

mrj
 

HAY MAKER

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mrj said:
Careful boys! COOL affects only either 5% or 20% of imported beef.

I've forgotten if the figure I read wass 5% or one fifth of imported beef.

Either way, it is a very small amount compared with the costs of doing the job.

It gives a false sense of food safety, being a marketing ploy rather than a true food safety issue.

What happens when consumers buy some of that tough old shoe leather Haymaker raises down there on his Mexican border ranch......and how do we know he isn't cheating on the real 'origin'????? If it isn't him, there sure are some US producers making some poor quality beef. Not everyone has the same quality cattle, after all, but northern raised (US, or Canadian for that matter) cattle have reputations as the best in the world.

BTW, it has been TECHNOLOGY and not globalization which has "taken" jobs in the USA.......and increasing their education and/or work habits will gain even better jobs for most all US workers losing their jobs. At least those who TRY to get better jobs.

Trade Agreements generally give us relief from excessive tariffs for US produced beef and other products we sell into other nations.......and I say it's about time!

Some in this country may not choose to buy products from overseas, but a lot of 'foreigners' want to buy our products, especially now that our dollar is lower value than previously.

Don't forget, according to the Sunday supplement magazines in some newspapers, numbers of millionaires are increasing fast in other nations, especially in CHina and Russia. Lets get those US products flowing to them!

Trade, not protectionism, is what makes the world a better place for all people.

mrj

Ole woman,you been listening to your packer buddies again aint you ?
Cool will affect all beef,you hide and watch, I dont think you ever figured out what Cool is all about,so I will give you a tip,tell your packer buddies running the check off,get ready to promote home grown beef.
And just what the hell would an ole woman like you know about Texas cattle ?
Now in all seriousness,you think long and hard about this and I quote.....( Trade, not protectionism, is what makes the world a better place for all people.)
Idiotic theories like this is why I dont waste alot of time on folks like you,truth be known you wouldnt even be here if there wasnt these so called protectionists giving their all for everyones right to fair trade,you think about that ole woman,and lay off the hooch...............good luck
 

PORKER

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It gives a false sense of food safety, being a marketing ploy rather than a true food safety issue. MRJ Quote

Traceback audits will prove the verified source of a animal.thus food safety.

Read the rules MRJ, It says that you have to maintain the integrity of the unique animal to meat ID

http://www.ams.usda.gov/COOL/records.htm
 

Kato

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I have a niece who worked in Texas for a number of years, and told me she couldn't wait to get home to Manitoba to have a good steak! 8)

Oh yea, and about that checkoff.... there is plenty of American beef in Canada, especially the east, and it benefits just fine from the Canadian checkoff.

I think the current shortage of beef we keep hearing about, combined with the bloom coming off the corn market is going to do more to help American beef prices than any label ever will. But of course, just like they blamed Canada for low prices the last time the cattle cycle was down, RCalf will take credit for the high cycle that is bound to come anyway. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

HAY MAKER

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Kato said:
I have a niece who worked in Texas for a number of years, and told me she couldn't wait to get home to Manitoba to have a good steak! 8)

Oh yea, and about that checkoff.... there is plenty of American beef in Canada, especially the east, and it benefits just fine from the Canadian checkoff.

I think the current shortage of beef we keep hearing about, combined with the bloom coming off the corn market is going to do more to help American beef prices than any label ever will. But of course, just like they blamed Canada for low prices the last time the cattle cycle was down, RCalf will take credit for the high cycle that is bound to come anyway. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Well if your neice ever gets back to Texas,I will take her to a real steak house,then I would like to see her tell me that ole barley stuff is better,come on kato you know R Calf is the reason we got Cool,and it will strengthen the markets.
Whats wrong with the cattleman identifying his product,you been doing it years.................good luck
 

mrj

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Porker, I'm aware of those trace-back audits, but when will they be used? Won't it be after the fact of an illness report?

Or will there be random checks to verify compliance, combined with testing for 'adulterants' such as E. coli )157:H7?

Will those producer groups who pushed COOL through comply with the trace-back audits which they said would not be necessary and are "too burdensome for cattle producers"?

Will ALL imported beef be labeled, or is it as I believe, only the imported beef sold in retail stores will be labelled?

If that is the case, how much imported beef actually will be labelled as to country of origin.

We hear local auction market geniuses spout about importing beef "from 37 different countries, like Ethiopia", yet only hear about labelling beef from Canada or Mexico in most stories about it.

mrj
 

PORKER

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There will be random checks to verify compliance of COOL according to AMS.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/cool/ls0304.txt
Page 61,952
Enforcement

The law encourages the Secretary to enter into partnerships with
States to the extent practicable to assist in the administration of
this program. As such, USDA will seek to enter into partnerships with
States that have enforcement infrastructure to conduct retail
compliance reviews.
Routine compliance reviews may be conducted at retail
establishments and associated administrative offices, and suppliers
subject to these regulations. USDA would coordinate the scheduling and
determine the procedures for reviews. Only USDA will be able to
initiate enforcement actions against a person found to be in violation
of the law. USDA may also conduct investigations of complaints made by
any person alleging violations of these regulations when the Secretary
determines that reasonable grounds for such investigation exist.
Retailers, upon being notified of the commencement of a compliance
review, must make all records or other documentary evidence material to
this review available to USDA representatives and provide any necessary
facilities for such inspections.
 

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