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Red Robin

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Ford's U.S. Sales Plummet 21 Percent

Tuesday, October 2, 2007 4:26 PM

DETROIT -- Ford's U.S. sales plummeted 21 percent in September while Chrysler and Toyota posted slimmer declines and General Motors held steady. Despite a 4 percent decline in September, Toyota's sales lead over Ford widened for the year.


General Motors Corp. said Tuesday its sales were flat compared with last September. The company got a boost from its new lineup of pickups as well as the new Cadillac CTS, which posted a 73 percent sales increase.


Honda Motor Co.'s U.S. sales rose more than 9 percent, while Nissan Motor Co.'s sales gained 7 percent on strength of record Altima sedan sales.


But Chrysler LLC said its U.S. sales fell 5 percent, although retail sales were up and fleet sales were down compared with the same month last year.


Ford Motor Co.'s car sales dropped 39 percent compared with last September, while its truck sales were down 5 percent. Sales of Ford's F-150 pickup, long the best-selling vehicle in the United States, fell 21 percent as newer pickups from GM and Toyota Motor Corp. stole its thunder.


Ford said a 62 percent reduction in sales to rental car fleets partly was to blame. Ford has been trying to cut back on rental sales, which can hurt brand image and profits.


Ford's overall sales were down 13 percent for the first nine months of the year. Ford hasn't seen a month when sales rose since October 2006, according to Ward's AutoInfoBank.


George Pipas, Ford's top sales analyst, said Ford is on track to cut sales to daily rental fleets by more than its original goal of 30 percent this year, or 135,000 vehicles.


"At the very beginning of the year, we said planned reductions in daily rental were of such a magnitude that we expected a sales decline every month this year," Pipas said in a conference call with investors and media. "What has transpired has been in line with what our expectations were at the beginning of the year."


Toyota's September sales decline was led by its trucks, which were off 5.7 percent. Car sales were down 3.5 percent versus a best-ever September 2006.


Toyota outpaced Ford for the month and for the first nine months of the year, continuing its drive to replace Ford as the nation's No. 2 automaker in sales after GM. Toyota had sold 28,654 more vehicles than Ford as of the end of September.


GM saw its car sales drop 4.4 percent, but its truck sales were up 3.6 percent. But Chrysler experienced the opposite with car sales up 18.8 percent and trucks down 11.4.


Honda bucked the negative trend thanks to a 7.2 percent rise in car sales, while truck sales were up 12.5 percent. Honda Motor, which includes Honda and the Acura luxury brand, said its Honda division reported a record September. Its new Accord sedan and CR-V crossover vehicle helped fuel the increase, the company said.


Many analysts predicted that jittery consumers put off big-ticket purchases in reaction to the credit crunch, high gas prices and the troubled housing market. Last week's two-day strike against GM by the United Auto Workers wasn't expected to have much impact. Wall Street analysts predicted overall sales would be down 4 percent for the month.


The Associated Press reports unadjusted figures, calculating the percentage change in the total number of vehicles sold in one month compared with the same month a year earlier. Some automakers report percentages adjusted for sales days. There were 25 sales days last month and 26 in September 2006.


Ford's shares were up 33 cents, or 4 percent, to $8.56 in afternoon trading as investors anticipated a new contract with the UAW that could help Ford. GM shares rose $1.16, or 3.22 percent, to $37.21.
 

Goodpasture

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how does gay bashing come into the picture? The failure of credit systems and the declining dollar has nothing whatever to do with sexual orientation.
 

Red Robin

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Goodpasture said:
how does gay bashing come into the picture? The failure of credit systems and the declining dollar has nothing whatever to do with sexual orientation.
Not according to 78 Texas ford dealers.
Texas dealers urge Ford to end homosexual advertising


Posted on Aug 10, 2006 | by Michael Foust
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A letter representing 78 Texas Ford dealers was sent to Ford's Detroit headquarters earlier this summer, urging the company to "cease" advertising in homosexual publications. The letter acknowledged that a pro-family boycott is hurting their business.


Sent to Ford Motor Company CEO William Clay Ford and dated June 23, the letter was posted on the American Family Association's website Aug. 9. AFA and other pro-family groups announced a boycott of Ford in March to protest the company's advertising in homosexual magazines such as The Advocate and Out as well as Ford’s support of homosexual activist causes.

"To be clear we strongly urge that Ford not only cease to advertise in homosexual related media and events, but in all politically charged and controversial media and events. We believe that Ford can and should market to all Americans with transportation needs, but that it should do so without tacitly approving a controversial lifestyle or stance," the letter stated.

By advertising in such publications, the letter said, Ford was "alienating our mutual customers."
The letter was sent by the Greater Texas Ford Dealers Advertising Fund, which the letter said represents 78 Ford dealers in Texas, Arkansas and Louisiana. The advertising fund's governing board "unanimously endorsed" the letter, which was signed by Doss Rogers, chairman of the Greater Texas Ford Dealers Advertising Fund, and included the names of the other board members. A spokesperson for the advertising fund confirmed to Baptist Press that the letter had been sent to Ford.

The letter pointed to a Ford advertisement in an edition of the Advocate that was placed "on the facing page to an article on gay polygamy." That edition, with a cover story titled "Big Gay Love," was released earlier this summer. The first two paragraphs of the story describe a foursome relationship involving three men and a woman who is married to one of the men.

"When the blue oval is placed next to offensive photos of the gay lifestyle, as it was in the ad mentioned above, customers then believe that Ford endorses that lifestyle," the letter stated.

The letter further said: "As one dealer at a recent meeting put it, 'The folks supporting this boycott are not on the fringe, they are not religious fanatics or persons that typically protest, but are average citizens concerned for the well-being of their families and about an all-American company like Ford advocating a lifestyle that they find objectionable.'”
Customers, the letter said, "are besieging us in person, by phone, mail and email."

"Individually we respond as best we can, using the information provided by the company," the letter said. "Although in some cases we are somewhat successful in this effort, in the majority of cases we are not."

The boycott, the letter said, is "affecting our business."

"As many of us try to convey to our customers, we as dealers have no control over where Ford Motor Company advertises, we do however suffer the brunt of consumer outrage and boycotts such as this one," it stated.

According to a January business article in the Detroit Free Press, Ford "donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to homosexual groups, sponsors gay pride parades and holds mandatory diversity training for managers."

In an Aug. 9 e-mail to subscribers, American Family Association chairman Donald Wildmon said Ford had advertisements in the latest editions of the Advocate and Out. Wildmon also said Ford was a contributor to PFLAG -- Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. Wildmon said Ford refused to contribute to PFOX -- Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays (an organization for those who have left homosexuality).

Ford sales, Wildmon said, dropped 5 percent in March, 7 percent in April, 2 percent in May, 6.8 percent in June and 4.1 percent in July.

"Ford sales have consistently dropped since AFA began the boycott," Wildmon said.
 

kolanuraven

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RR.....what is it with you and the constant gay bashing?

I mean you bash gays more than I bash 'Dubya' , and I've even backed off that a bit as it stands!!! GIVE IT A REST!!

Surely, you have not solved all the problems in your world and ' bashing' is all you have to do with you time? :roll: :roll:

Has one gay person EVER done anything to you, against you, or harmed you in any way, shape or form...EVER?????

Give it rest Rev.!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

kolanuraven

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Goodpasture said:
how does gay bashing come into the picture? The failure of credit systems and the declining dollar has nothing whatever to do with sexual orientation.


In RR's world , being ' gay' has EVERYTHING to do with EVRYTHING else in the universe!!!


It's just what he does!!!
 

kolanuraven

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Goodpasture said:
how does gay bashing come into the picture? The failure of credit systems and the declining dollar has nothing whatever to do with sexual orientation.


In RR's world , being ' gay' has EVERYTHING to do with EVRYTHING else in the universe!!!


It's just how he looks at the world! ( Which is flat also!! :lol: :lol: )
 

nonothing

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It is said "those that trash gays are usually doing it as a way to hide their own homosexual tendencies from others" .I am sure that the reverend RR is not gay,but maybe she is a switch hitter.... :shock: :???: :shock:
 

Red Robin

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Why is it gay bashing when I point out that since ford has courted the gay buying power at the expense of losing the buying power of all those that signed the petition they are losing business at an alarming rate?
 

Goodpasture

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Frankly, I think buying decisions are based more on value, price and quality and less on the lifestyle of the advertisers, marketing people, or manufacturers. If I am given a choice between a good value at a great price, or mediocre value at a bad price, who is sleeping with whom in the corporate structure is irrelevant and would not occur to me to concern myself with.
 

Red Robin

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Goodpasture said:
Frankly, I think buying decisions are based more on value, price and quality and less on the lifestyle of the advertisers, marketing people, or manufacturers. If I am given a choice between a good value at a great price, or mediocre value at a bad price, who is sleeping with whom in the corporate structure is irrelevant and would not occur to me to concern myself with.
I disagree. I'm concerned how the profits from my purchases impact America, my state, city, family, etc. That's why I buy American made. That's also why I dislike the stance ford takes. They , like several major companies have an agenda to mainstream the homosexual lifestyle. It's not about profits with them. Having said that even your position which is basically homosexuality is a nonissue, is acceptable but ford doesn't see it that way.
I don't believe you entirely anyway GP. If ford was supporting an anti-Indian group, I think you'd boycott.
 

kolanuraven

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Red Robin said:
Goodpasture said:
Frankly, I think buying decisions are based more on value, price and quality and less on the lifestyle of the advertisers, marketing people, or manufacturers. If I am given a choice between a good value at a great price, or mediocre value at a bad price, who is sleeping with whom in the corporate structure is irrelevant and would not occur to me to concern myself with.
I disagree. I'm concerned how the profits from my purchases impact America, my state, city, family, etc. That's why I buy American made. That's also why I dislike the stance ford takes. They , like several major companies have an agenda to mainstream the homosexual lifestyle. It's not about profits with them. Having said that even your position which is basically homosexuality is a nonissue, is acceptable but ford doesn't see it that way.
I don't believe you entirely anyway GP. If ford was supporting an anti-Indian group, I think you'd boycott.
:???: :???: Apples and oranges here


If you only buy American made...then you only own about 3 things!!!!


I think ' mainstream' kinda goes along with ' fair' in this context.
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
Red Robin said:
Goodpasture said:
Frankly, I think buying decisions are based more on value, price and quality and less on the lifestyle of the advertisers, marketing people, or manufacturers. If I am given a choice between a good value at a great price, or mediocre value at a bad price, who is sleeping with whom in the corporate structure is irrelevant and would not occur to me to concern myself with.
I disagree. I'm concerned how the profits from my purchases impact America, my state, city, family, etc. That's why I buy American made. That's also why I dislike the stance ford takes. They , like several major companies have an agenda to mainstream the homosexual lifestyle. It's not about profits with them. Having said that even your position which is basically homosexuality is a nonissue, is acceptable but ford doesn't see it that way.
I don't believe you entirely anyway GP. If ford was supporting an anti-Indian group, I think you'd boycott.
:???: :???: Apples and oranges here


If you only buy American made...then you only own about 3 things!!!!


I think ' mainstream' kinda goes along with ' fair' in this context.
You're correct. Buying Canadian timber really does't affect me much. Homosexuals pushing their agenda throughout society does.
 

Goodpasture

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Red Robin said:
........ They , like several major companies have an agenda to mainstream the homosexual lifestyle. It's not about profits with them. Having said that even your position which is basically homosexuality is a nonissue, is acceptable but ford doesn't see it that way.
I don't believe you entirely anyway GP. If ford was supporting an anti-Indian group, I think you'd boycott.
I don't think there is "an agenda" other than selling cars and trucks. If Ford decided to discriminate against Native Americans, it would be a business decision, not a moral one. After all, GEICO has been quite successful at discriminating against cavemen, and their sales actually increased.
 
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Anonymous

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Ford has had a long record of supporting Greenie and bunny hugger groups- lots of Liberal "conservation" and enviromental issues....

I know at one time there was a concerted movement started in ND and some other Ag and lumbering areas to boycott Ford products....I remember it because I took a copy of an article, that I think was in Agri News, up and gave my local dealer-- really made his day :roll: :shock: :wink: :lol:

Ford Foundation, which was started by the Ford family has been called by the Conservative groups as one of the top 2 or 3 most dangerous groups to our current way of life-- George Soros' outfit was one of the others....Both promote a one world socialist order--and both have been accused of funneling money to "terrorist" groups...
 

Hanta Yo

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Oldtimer said:
Ford has had a long record of supporting Greenie and bunny hugger groups- lots of Liberal "conservation" and enviromental issues....

I know at one time there was a concerted movement started in ND and some other Ag and lumbering areas to boycott Ford products....I remember it because I took a copy of an article, that I think was in Agri News, up and gave my local dealer-- really made his day :roll: :shock: :wink: :lol:

Ford Foundation, which was started by the Ford family has been called by the Conservative groups as one of the top 2 or 3 most dangerous groups to our current way of life-- George Soros' outfit was one of the others....Both promote a one world socialist order--and both have been accused of funneling money to "terrorist" groups...


Ford Foundation
320 East 43rd Street, New York, NY 10017
Phone 212-573-5000 | Fax 212-351-3677 | Email [email protected]

Background
The Ford Foundation was originally funded by bequests of Ford Motor Company stock from the estates of Henry and Edsel Ford. However, the foundation no longer invests in the automaker, and is unrelated to the Ford Motor Company Fund, which is company-run.
Look into www.activistcash.com.

Interesting stuff.
 

CattleArmy

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Red Robin said:
Why is it gay bashing when I point out that since ford has courted the gay buying power at the expense of losing the buying power of all those that signed the petition they are losing business at an alarming rate?

I'm still driving a ford, my parents still drive fords, my aunts and uncles still drive fords, and for that matter I believe Soapweed even drives fords. Perhaps our buying doesn't count as buying power? :???:

If people are honestly switching brands of cars they drive just over advertisements in gay magazines come on how much smaller can minds get?

The more I think of it the smarter Ford is. I have gay friends I love and they live the life have the bank accounts. Most are highly educated and leaders in their job fields. Let's see if I was a high up in Ford would I advertise for bank financed ranchers that depend on an unstable market for profits or would I advertise for those I know have the bucks???
 

Faster horses

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I know lots of ranchers and loggers that quit Ford over this very thing.
And I've read where the CEO of Ford specificially targeted gays to buy Ford.

But I don't think any company has to single out GAYS to buy their
product. GAY PEOPLE are people, why can't plain old advertising work
for them like it does for us? Why are they singled out? I don't like it.


James Dobson put out information several years ago about AT&T's
support of gays. It was pretty one-sided when compared with the support they gave others...and as a consequence AT&T lost business as well.

All that being said, I will remind you that one of my dearest friends is gay.
 

Brad S

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I don't care if Ford markets to gays, but the Ford Foundation guarandamntees no new fords in my driveway.

PS The Cummins and Isuzu make walking away from my piggish power strokes pretty easy.
 

kolanuraven

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Who ever has seen this so called ad that PLAINLY states it's for GAYS ONLY to buy Ford....PLEASE POST IT!!! I wanna see it!!!


RR...you got it??? Who then??? Let's see it in the broad daylight???


People better quit worrying about what their neighbor does and worry about their own patch of the world.
 
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