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HR 615--Vote yes that Congress takes the same health care

Faster horses

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Subj: FW: HR 615--Please forward to everyone you know




This is pretty easy.



Is it worth the effort? You won't know unless you try.



Whatever your political affiliation, I think everyone would agree on

this one! It takes 30 sec.





Subject: HR 615



On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a

two-page amendment, courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn which would

require all Members of Congress and their staff members to enroll in

any new government-run health plan.



Congressman John Fleming has proposed an amendment that would require

Congressmen and Senators to take the same health care plan that they

are proposing on us. (Under proposed legislation they are exempt.)



Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go to his Website and sign

his petition. The process is very simple. I have done just that at:





http://fleming.house.gov/index.html





Fill out name address, etc...click "YES" and submit!! *





Senator Coburn and Congressman Fleming are both physicians.



Regardless of your political beliefs, it sure seems reasonable that

Congress should have exactly the same medical coverage that they impose

on the rest of us.





Please urge as many people as you can to do the same! Forward this to friends and family.
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
You do know that right now Congress has the same choice of govt sponsored, not run, health care that all employees of the Postal Service, FBI, CIA, Social Security, USDA, etc have. And yes, it is pretty good and it is the same type of system that the new health plan will be IF it gets passed without being cut to pieces. Right now there are maybe 30-50 or maybe more companies that compete for the right to insure federal employees--all of them.
 

Steve

Well-known member
schnurrbart said:
You do know that right now Congress has the same choice of govt sponsored, not run, health care that all employees of the Postal Service, FBI, CIA, Social Security, USDA, etc have. And yes, it is pretty good and it is the same type of system that the new health plan will be IF it gets passed without being cut to pieces. Right now there are maybe 30-50 or maybe more companies that compete for the right to insure federal employees--all of them.

the real solution is to make congress, senators and staff buy into medicare as their sole health insurance option and allow their families to use Tricare..

once they solve all the issues with Medicare and Tricare... then let them tinker with a public option..
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
Right now, Medicare is only for people 65 and over and Tricare is only for military folks. Why should they not have the same options as the rest of the country? This is assuming the health care passes. One freshman congressman passed on getting the federal health plan "because his constituents couldn't get it." Well, they can't get UMW or UAW insurance either unless they belong to one of the jobs and the union that operates those health plans. Yes, it would be nice if everyone could get a federal health plan. That is what they are trying to do. Federal employees don't have plans RUN by the govt. They get plans from those companies who have agreed to competitively engage in providing plans to a large group of people thus lowering the premiums and the employer agrees to pay a portion of that premium as a benefit of working there. Right now there are at least 30 different plans available for fed. employees and that includes the president. Of course for him, he has a special military Dr available 24/7 but not his wife or family. Read a little about the federal employee health plans available.
 

Steve

Well-known member
schnurrbart said:
Right now, Medicare is only for people 65 and over and Tricare is only for military folks. Why should they not have the same options as the rest of the country? This is assuming the health care passes. One freshman congressman passed on getting the federal health plan "because his constituents couldn't get it." Well, they can't get UMW or UAW insurance either unless they belong to one of the jobs and the union that operates those health plans. Yes, it would be nice if everyone could get a federal health plan. That is what they are trying to do. Federal employees don't have plans RUN by the govt. They get plans from those companies who have agreed to competitively engage in providing plans to a large group of people thus lowering the premiums and the employer agrees to pay a portion of that premium as a benefit of working there. Right now there are at least 30 different plans available for fed. employees and that includes the president. Of course for him, he has a special military Dr available 24/7 but not his wife or family. Read a little about the federal employee health plans available.

your missing my point...

as retired military, former Fed employee, and a person who has an elderly family member on medicare, I am all to familiar with the plans.. so your demand, that I read the plans is well,... just plain rude,

the point is that the Fed plan that congress and the president get are well run and have many good options.. and yes technically the fed workers plans are private insurance plans funded by the government.. because they are used by congress and the president and their families they are "exceptional plans"

while in contrast Medicare and Tricare are government ran and managed by private contractors.. both have alot of problems... so by making congress and the president use the government ran plans they set up for US.. then we would see improvements in the two of the largest government run medical plans...

I don't want them to keep their excellently ran privately managed plans.. I want them to use what they mandate for everyone else.. the public plans..

wouldn't it be wise for them to have a bit of experience with a government ran public plan such as medicare before they force the nation to a government ran health care mandate?
 
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Steve said:
schnurrbart said:
Right now, Medicare is only for people 65 and over and Tricare is only for military folks. Why should they not have the same options as the rest of the country? This is assuming the health care passes. One freshman congressman passed on getting the federal health plan "because his constituents couldn't get it." Well, they can't get UMW or UAW insurance either unless they belong to one of the jobs and the union that operates those health plans. Yes, it would be nice if everyone could get a federal health plan. That is what they are trying to do. Federal employees don't have plans RUN by the govt. They get plans from those companies who have agreed to competitively engage in providing plans to a large group of people thus lowering the premiums and the employer agrees to pay a portion of that premium as a benefit of working there. Right now there are at least 30 different plans available for fed. employees and that includes the president. Of course for him, he has a special military Dr available 24/7 but not his wife or family. Read a little about the federal employee health plans available.

your missing my point...

as retired military, former Fed employee, and a person who has an elderly family member on medicare, I am all to familiar with the plans.. so your demand, that I read the plans is well,... just plain rude,

the point is that the Fed plan that congress and the president get are well run and have many good options.. and yes technically the fed workers plans are private insurance plans funded by the government.. because they are used by congress and the president and their families they are "exceptional plans"

while in contrast Medicare and Tricare are government ran and managed by private contractors.. both have alot of problems... so by making congress and the president use the government ran plans they set up for US.. then we would see improvements in the two of the largest government run medical plans...

I don't want them to keep their excellent privately managed plans.. I want them to use what they mandate for everyone else.. the public plans..

wouldn't it be wise for them to have a bit of experience with a government ran public plan such as medicare before they force the nation to a government ran health care mandate?

Steve you are correct and on top of that its the citizens that pay the bills for the elitist pile of crap in Washingrton. Then lets not over look the fact that the post office is broke probably because of these perks the workers get at our exspense. :mad:
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
Steve said:
schnurrbart said:
Right now, Medicare is only for people 65 and over and Tricare is only for military folks. Why should they not have the same options as the rest of the country? This is assuming the health care passes. One freshman congressman passed on getting the federal health plan "because his constituents couldn't get it." Well, they can't get UMW or UAW insurance either unless they belong to one of the jobs and the union that operates those health plans. Yes, it would be nice if everyone could get a federal health plan. That is what they are trying to do. Federal employees don't have plans RUN by the govt. They get plans from those companies who have agreed to competitively engage in providing plans to a large group of people thus lowering the premiums and the employer agrees to pay a portion of that premium as a benefit of working there. Right now there are at least 30 different plans available for fed. employees and that includes the president. Of course for him, he has a special military Dr available 24/7 but not his wife or family. Read a little about the federal employee health plans available.

your missing my point...

as retired military, former Fed employee, and a person who has an elderly family member on medicare, I am all to familiar with the plans.. so your demand, that I read the plans is well,... just plain rude,

the point is that the Fed plan that congress and the president get are well run and have many good options.. and yes technically the fed workers plans are private insurance plans funded by the government.. because they are used by congress and the president and their families they are "exceptional plans"

while in contrast Medicare and Tricare are government ran and managed by private contractors.. both have alot of problems... so by making congress and the president use the government ran plans they set up for US.. then we would see improvements in the two of the largest government run medical plans...

I don't want them to keep their excellently ran privately managed plans.. I want them to use what they mandate for everyone else.. the public plans..

wouldn't it be wise for them to have a bit of experience with a government ran public plan such as medicare before they force the nation to a government ran health care mandate?

I guess I don't understand you. When you were a federal employee, didn't you have one of those plans that is available for ALL govt employees? I did. Just like the president and the Congress. My employer paid for most of it as a condition of my employment just like the congress. When they retire, they can keep that same insurance policy just like I did. I did that and paid more for it until I got Medicare and then I didn't see any sense in paying for that and Medicare when Medicare became the primary insurance. I now have Medicare and Tricare for Life and am completely happy with it.

As for being rude, since I don't know you nor your background and your post seemed to me to not be very informed, I asked you to read about it. I didn't DEMAND anything either. These plans are NOT govt run. These are all companies who have elected to take part in a large group offering. Do you think Blue Shield/Blue Cross or Aetna are govt insurance companies? I don't. Some of them are administered by unions such as the NALC and the APWU and mine was Mail Handlers and I paid for an auxillary membership in that union to get it. At the moment, the only insurance plan that is administered by the federal govt that I am aware of is Medicare and there are problems in it. This is mainly due to the crooked people who take part in it and the govt's lack of good supervision. Maybe they can get that under control. But your main point is that the Congress and the President don't have any of the govt plans available to all other govt employees. That they have some special plan. That I can't answer because the President has said that he has health insurance as part of the job that other govt employees have the opportunity to get. Maybe that isn't true. Since I have never been in Congress and the one Congressman that I knew, never told me what kind of plan he had, I can't say for sure.
 

Steve

Well-known member
schnurrbart said:
Steve said:
schnurrbart said:
Right now, Medicare is only for people 65 and over and Tricare is only for military folks. Why should they not have the same options as the rest of the country? This is assuming the health care passes. One freshman congressman passed on getting the federal health plan "because his constituents couldn't get it." Well, they can't get UMW or UAW insurance either unless they belong to one of the jobs and the union that operates those health plans. Yes, it would be nice if everyone could get a federal health plan. That is what they are trying to do. Federal employees don't have plans RUN by the govt. They get plans from those companies who have agreed to competitively engage in providing plans to a large group of people thus lowering the premiums and the employer agrees to pay a portion of that premium as a benefit of working there. Right now there are at least 30 different plans available for fed. employees and that includes the president. Of course for him, he has a special military Dr available 24/7 but not his wife or family. Read a little about the federal employee health plans available.

your missing my point...

as retired military, former Fed employee, and a person who has an elderly family member on medicare, I am all to familiar with the plans.. so your demand, that I read the plans is well,... just plain rude,

the point is that the Fed plan that congress and the president get are well run and have many good options.. and yes technically the fed workers plans are private insurance plans funded by the government.. because they are used by congress and the president and their families they are "exceptional plans"

while in contrast Medicare and Tricare are government ran and managed by private contractors.. both have alot of problems... so by making congress and the president use the government ran plans they set up for US.. then we would see improvements in the two of the largest government run medical plans...

I don't want them to keep their excellently ran privately managed plans.. I want them to use what they mandate for everyone else.. the public plans..

wouldn't it be wise for them to have a bit of experience with a government ran public plan such as medicare before they force the nation to a government ran health care mandate?

I guess I don't understand you. When you were a federal employee, didn't you have one of those plans that is available for ALL govt employees? I did. Just like the president and the Congress. My employer paid for most of it as a condition of my employment just like the congress. When they retire, they can keep that same insurance policy just like I did. I did that and paid more for it until I got Medicare and then I didn't see any sense in paying for that and Medicare when Medicare became the primary insurance. I now have Medicare and Tricare for Life and am completely happy with it.

As for being rude, since I don't know you nor your background and your post seemed to me to not be very informed, I asked you to read about it. I didn't DEMAND anything either. These plans are NOT govt run. These are all companies who have elected to take part in a large group offering. Do you think Blue Shield/Blue Cross or Aetna are govt insurance companies? I don't. Some of them are administered by unions such as the NALC and the APWU and mine was Mail Handlers and I paid for an auxillary membership in that union to get it. At the moment, the only insurance plan that is administered by the federal govt that I am aware of is Medicare and there are problems in it. This is mainly due to the crooked people who take part in it and the govt's lack of good supervision. Maybe they can get that under control. But your main point is that the Congress and the President don't have any of the govt plans available to all other govt employees. That they have some special plan. That I can't answer because the President has said that he has health insurance as part of the job that other govt employees have the opportunity to get. Maybe that isn't true. Since I have never been in Congress and the one Congressman that I knew, never told me what kind of plan he had, I can't say for sure.


NO,..I will try to make it as simple as possible..

my main point is that the congress and president should use medicare.. how hard is that to understand.. ???

once you use a plan for awhile you see the flaws in it...

congress and the president have screwed up medicare.. most seniors have to get below income thresholds to use medicaid.

if Congress and the president experienced it as customers they could actually fix it and improve it...

Here are the facts.

Members of the House and Senate may be seen by the office of the attending physician in the U.S. Capitol (Navy doctors on active duty) when they have a health problem while in Washington, D.C. They may be referred to Walter Reed Army Hospital or Bethesda Naval Hospital for further treatment if necessary. They are not required to use this service and may seek private medical care while in Washington if they so desire.

If House and Senate members choose to use the Capitol attending physician and the Army and Navy hospitals while in D.C., they pay an annual fee (equivalent to being part of an HMO). If they seek private medical care while in D.C. or back in their home states, they use their private health insurance.

Members of Congress are eligible — like all other federal employees — to sign up for one of the "cafeteria" health insurance plans offered all other federal employees.

as you can see they have plenty of health care options.. those on the "government" plans (medicare and tricare) only have the option that congress mandated..

so congress should be forced to use the plan they set up.. medicare..
before the force everyone else to use a government mandate..

is that so hard to understand?
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
Steve said:
schnurrbart said:
Steve said:
your missing my point...

as retired military, former Fed employee, and a person who has an elderly family member on medicare, I am all to familiar with the plans.. so your demand, that I read the plans is well,... just plain rude,

the point is that the Fed plan that congress and the president get are well run and have many good options.. and yes technically the fed workers plans are private insurance plans funded by the government.. because they are used by congress and the president and their families they are "exceptional plans"

while in contrast Medicare and Tricare are government ran and managed by private contractors.. both have alot of problems... so by making congress and the president use the government ran plans they set up for US.. then we would see improvements in the two of the largest government run medical plans...

I don't want them to keep their excellently ran privately managed plans.. I want them to use what they mandate for everyone else.. the public plans..

wouldn't it be wise for them to have a bit of experience with a government ran public plan such as medicare before they force the nation to a government ran health care mandate?

I guess I don't understand you. When you were a federal employee, didn't you have one of those plans that is available for ALL govt employees? I did. Just like the president and the Congress. My employer paid for most of it as a condition of my employment just like the congress. When they retire, they can keep that same insurance policy just like I did. I did that and paid more for it until I got Medicare and then I didn't see any sense in paying for that and Medicare when Medicare became the primary insurance. I now have Medicare and Tricare for Life and am completely happy with it.

As for being rude, since I don't know you nor your background and your post seemed to me to not be very informed, I asked you to read about it. I didn't DEMAND anything either. These plans are NOT govt run. These are all companies who have elected to take part in a large group offering. Do you think Blue Shield/Blue Cross or Aetna are govt insurance companies? I don't. Some of them are administered by unions such as the NALC and the APWU and mine was Mail Handlers and I paid for an auxillary membership in that union to get it. At the moment, the only insurance plan that is administered by the federal govt that I am aware of is Medicare and there are problems in it. This is mainly due to the crooked people who take part in it and the govt's lack of good supervision. Maybe they can get that under control. But your main point is that the Congress and the President don't have any of the govt plans available to all other govt employees. That they have some special plan. That I can't answer because the President has said that he has health insurance as part of the job that other govt employees have the opportunity to get. Maybe that isn't true. Since I have never been in Congress and the one Congressman that I knew, never told me what kind of plan he had, I can't say for sure.


NO,..I will try to make it as simple as possible..

my main point is that the congress and president should use medicare.. how hard is that to understand.. ???

once you use a plan for awhile you see the flaws in it...

congress and the president have screwed up medicare.. most seniors have to get below income thresholds to use medicaid.

if Congress and the president experienced it as customers they could actually fix it and improve it...

Here are the facts.

Members of the House and Senate may be seen by the office of the attending physician in the U.S. Capitol (Navy doctors on active duty) when they have a health problem while in Washington, D.C. They may be referred to Walter Reed Army Hospital or Bethesda Naval Hospital for further treatment if necessary. They are not required to use this service and may seek private medical care while in Washington if they so desire.

If House and Senate members choose to use the Capitol attending physician and the Army and Navy hospitals while in D.C., they pay an annual fee (equivalent to being part of an HMO). If they seek private medical care while in D.C. or back in their home states, they use their private health insurance.

Members of Congress are eligible — like all other federal employees — to sign up for one of the "cafeteria" health insurance plans offered all other federal employees.

as you can see they have plenty of health care options.. those on the "government" plans (medicare and tricare) only have the option that congress mandated..

so congress should be forced to use the plan they set up.. medicare..
before the force everyone else to use a government mandate..

is that so hard to understand?

It must be since you don't seem to understand that the medicare plan is for people 65 and older. I kept my "cafeteria" fed. health plan UNTIL I became 65 and then Medicare became my primary coverage. NO CHOICE in the matter if I wanted Medicare because the other fed. health insurance automatically became secondary. Since I was also covered by Tricare, it wasn't feasible to keep paying for the fed. "cafeteria" plan and I dropped it. They (Dems) suggested allowing people between 55-65 to buy into Medicare and the repubs pitched a hissy about that so I don't think that is an option any longer. The fact that Congress members and the president and vp can utilize "free" Walter Reed hospital and drs is a benefit of their employer. Yes it would be nice if we all could do that but then I guess we would have to petition our employers to provide that. OR, you could run for Congress and win and then you could do it also. All those that you hate in Congress right now will have to go into Medicare if they are over 65 and you vote them out of office so you will get your wish in a way.
 
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schnurrbart said:
It must be since you don't seem to understand that the medicare plan is for people 65 and older. I kept my "cafeteria" fed. health plan UNTIL I became 65 and then Medicare became my primary coverage. NO CHOICE in the matter if I wanted Medicare because the other fed. health insurance automatically became secondary. Since I was also covered by Tricare, it wasn't feasible to keep paying for the fed. "cafeteria" plan and I dropped it. They (Dems) suggested allowing people between 55-65 to buy into Medicare and the repubs pitched a hissy about that so I don't think that is an option any longer. The fact that Congress members and the president and vp can utilize "free" Walter Reed hospital and drs is a benefit of their employer. Yes it would be nice if we all could do that but then I guess we would have to petition our employers to provide that. OR, you could run for Congress and win and then you could do it also. All those that you hate in Congress right now will have to go into Medicare if they are over 65 and you vote them out of office so you will get your wish in a way.


The way I see things is the democrats that wanted to keep the blacks enslaved 100 plus years ago pre/civil war are enslaving All Americans once again.

There is no end to their high standard for them/selves and the take take take from the common man.

Postal workers with their high pay are delinquent to the tune of billions in unpaid taxes.

They just did a 12 percent larger appropriations bill. while the consumer price index has declined about 1.5 percent. With billions of ear marks.

Then they have the audacity to appropriate another 157 billion stimulus bill for jobs. All the while wanting to appoint a commission to find out why Government spending is out of control! There is not a insane asylum large enough to hold theses idiots. There needs to be a clean sweep of the house senate and oval office over the next 6 years.

Then when there is a majority of ethical people in control of the house and senate heads need to roll investigations need to be done and enslavement of the tax payer needs to be undone.

Tax day moved forward in 2009 by 30 days in one years time. In case you are unfamiliar with this its when you can call your money your own.

obama has said unless health care reform is passed this nation will go broke. Its not about health care its about enslavement plain and simple.

They cry about millions with no health care yet coverage does not take effect till 2013/2014 after the next presidential election.

Then some democrats are warning obama not to sign a treaty in Copenhagen. being if its not ratified by/3 of the house and senate it will be treason. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!
:wink:
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
Pig Farmer said:
schnurrbart said:
It must be since you don't seem to understand that the medicare plan is for people 65 and older. I kept my "cafeteria" fed. health plan UNTIL I became 65 and then Medicare became my primary coverage. NO CHOICE in the matter if I wanted Medicare because the other fed. health insurance automatically became secondary. Since I was also covered by Tricare, it wasn't feasible to keep paying for the fed. "cafeteria" plan and I dropped it. They (Dems) suggested allowing people between 55-65 to buy into Medicare and the repubs pitched a hissy about that so I don't think that is an option any longer. The fact that Congress members and the president and vp can utilize "free" Walter Reed hospital and drs is a benefit of their employer. Yes it would be nice if we all could do that but then I guess we would have to petition our employers to provide that. OR, you could run for Congress and win and then you could do it also. All those that you hate in Congress right now will have to go into Medicare if they are over 65 and you vote them out of office so you will get your wish in a way.


The way I see things is the democrats that wanted to keep the blacks enslaved 100 plus years ago pre/civil war are enslaving All Americans once again.

There is no end to their high standard for them/selves and the take take take from the common man.

Postal workers with their high pay are delinquent to the tune of billions in unpaid taxes.

They just did a 12 percent larger appropriations bill. while the consumer price index has declined about 1.5 percent. With billions of ear marks.

Then they have the audacity to appropriate another 157 billion stimulus bill for jobs. All the while wanting to appoint a commission to find out why Government spending is out of control! There is not a insane asylum large enough to hold theses idiots. There needs to be a clean sweep of the house senate and oval office over the next 6 years.

Then when there is a majority of ethical people in control of the house and senate heads need to roll investigations need to be done and enslavement of the tax payer needs to be undone.

Tax day moved forward in 2009 by 30 days in one years time. In case you are unfamiliar with this its when you can call your money your own.

obama has said unless health care reform is passed this nation will go broke. Its not about health care its about enslavement plain and simple.

They cry about millions with no health care yet coverage does not take effect till 2013/2014 after the next presidential election.

Then some democrats are warning obama not to sign a treaty in Copenhagen. being if its not ratified by/3 of the house and senate it will be treason. MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE IS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL!
:wink:
Could you expound on this statement some?
"Postal workers with their high pay are delinquent to the tune of billions in unpaid taxes."

Nevermind, I found what you are talking about. Very interesting. 28K Postal workers and 27K military aren't paying their taxes. I'm not sure how that works since I have money taken out of my checks and sent directly to the IRS and then my account tells me how much if any I get back. Hopefully, you are as upset by the military deadbeats as you appear to be with the "high paying" postal workers. Oh, and one more thing. It isn't "billions" of dollars that Postal Workers owe. Also, over 16% of ALL Americans owe back taxes and I am sure that a fair percentage are part of the republican party as well as those in the Democratic party.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
"I am sure"...how can you be sure many Republicans don't pay
their taxes? For instance, how many Dem's have we heard about
in the Obama administration ALONE that owe back taxes? It almost
seems like a requirement...that one owes back taxes...to be part
of the current administration.
 

Steve

Well-known member
It must be since you don't seem to understand that the medicare plan is for people 65 and older.

All those that you hate in Congress right now will have to go into Medicare if they are over 65 and you vote them out of office so you will get your wish in a way.

I fully understand that some in congress are under 65..

I also don't hate anyone or anything... not my nature..

and once they get thrown out it is pointless for them to then see the flaws of medicare and tricare...

right now the only ones who can fix medicare or tricare are the congress and president and they don't have to use it..

if congress and the president would use medicare and tricare while in office they could see the problems with it and correct them, just as they have done for the Fed insurance cafeteria of plans that they do use..

then everyone would have options and the ability to shop for the best plan that suits them..
 

schnurrbart

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
"I am sure"...how can you be sure many Republicans don't pay
their taxes? For instance, how many Dem's have we heard about
in the Obama administration ALONE that owe back taxes? It almost
seems like a requirement...that one owes back taxes...to be part
of the current administration.

Yes, about like one has to be a gay/wife cheatin' SOB to be in the repub party. How many cheaters and gays were in the bush admin?
 

MsSage

Well-known member
schnurrbart why are you for a program which is broken for a small number of members? I say once they get medicare working and not at a loss then SLOWLY have more people join. To throw EVERYONE one a plan that is not working will not fix the problem.
I dont think the government should be providing insurance to everyone. Health insurance is NOT a right. Yes I have been without insurance and knew the risk, but that was my choice I could have bought a plan from the many companies who offer them.
 

Richard Doolittle

Well-known member
Here are some facts that some people tend to overlook when talking about the health insurance available to congressmen/postal workers/federal employees.

For 2010, the total annual premium for Blue Cross Blue Shield family coverage under the standard option is $14,588.60. For federal employees, the Government pays $9,777.04 as a benefit of employment and the employee pays $4,811.56. Postal employees pay $3,453.08 and the Government pays $11,135.02. I am not sure about the premium share that congressmen have to pay because that is not publicized. I would assume that it is the same as federal employees, but do not know that.

There are several plan options available. I chose BC/BS as the example because I think that is a popular and widely used plan.

The source of this information is www.opm.gov.
 
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schnurrbart said:
Faster horses said:
"I am sure"...how can you be sure many Republicans don't pay
their taxes? For instance, how many Dem's have we heard about
in the Obama administration ALONE that owe back taxes? It almost
seems like a requirement...that one owes back taxes...to be part
of the current administration.

Yes, about like one has to be a gay/wife cheatin' SOB to be in the repub party. How many cheaters and gays were in the bush admin?

You take the cake shu. Like there are no cheating dems or gay baggers? Seems if you do a little searching over the last decade more dems than republicans have been shook out of the brush.

Here is the truth you need to accept there are no congressmen or women in either party that need to stay. They all need to be dismissed. Then try and put some good individuals in both parties that want to work together for the good of America.

Any President Congressman or woman or Senator needs to place the country and its citizens above party affiliation.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
Yes, about like one has to be a gay/wife cheatin' SOB to be in the repub party. How many cheaters and gays were in the bush admin?
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You just tried to change the subject, shu.
We are talking about Obama here, don't you recall, Bush is not
the President anymore? Lifestyle has nothing to do with PAYING
YOUR TAXES. They just had on tv that the IRS is owed billions from
people who owe back taxes.

Oh, BTW, they also aired on tv that Obama has 8% in his administration
that understands business. The last president whose administration that
had the lowest business experience up to that time, was JIMMY CARTER at 35%.
 

schnurrbart

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MsSage said:
schnurrbart why are you for a program which is broken for a small number of members? I say once they get medicare working and not at a loss then SLOWLY have more people join. To throw EVERYONE one a plan that is not working will not fix the problem.
I dont think the government should be providing insurance to everyone. Health insurance is NOT a right. Yes I have been without insurance and knew the risk, but that was my choice I could have bought a plan from the many companies who offer them.
I don't know that Medicare, if that is what you are talking about, is broken. I have it and haven't had any problems finding Drs or getting things paid for. Sertainly there are problems. Also, other than those on Medicare and the fact that they tried to open it up to 55 and above there is NO govt run plan in the bill. They wish to do it like the govt employee plan which has many different companies competing for the right to sell you a policy. You are correct when you say it is not a right but as with auto insurance it should be mandatory. When uninsured have to go to the ER, it cost everyone much more and they do it by the millions. They are not trying to throw everyone into a single payer plan. They want to set it up so that there are groups of people who can then buy in large quantities so the prices are lower. Insurance companies are just like most businesses--if they can sell to a large group rather than to a bunch of individuals, they can lower their price because they know they will have X amount of customers.
 
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