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HuffPo:Palin's Influence On The National Stage is clear

hypocritexposer

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Pulling the plug isn't going to be a problem, if you can't get them plugged in, in the first place.

Friday, August 14, 2009
The Huffington Post: Sarah Palin's Influence On The National Stage Is Crystal Clear

Oddly enough, Andy Ostray of The Huffington Post, had nothing but almost great things to say about Governor Palin. Are we starting to see even the left seeing the power of Palin? Simply posting notes on her Facebook page and she is changing national policy and putting the White House on the defense. Imprerssive to say the least, according to Andy Ostroy.

As the debate over Obama's health-care overhaul intensifies, one thing has become quite clear: it took former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin just three weeks into 'retirement' to prove that when it comes to major domestic policy, she is going to be right smack in the middle of it all. And surprisingly, all it took for her to fully inject herself squarely into the health-care debate was one simple, albeit politically explosive comment last week:

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

But the truly astonishing part is that The Wasilla Wonder has actually framed the entire debate with her disingenuous reference designed to scare the crap out of old folks and those who care for them. "Death panel" has now become the official phrase and rallying cry of all the right-wing loons salivating at the opportunity to not just derail Obama's attempt at reform, but more importantly to undermine his nascent administration's entire agenda. Conservatives smell Obama's blood, and the health-scare mobs are just the front lines in the much more complicated war to take him down.

'You betchya, America, we're not gonna let that Muslim terrorist in the White House allow those youths-in-Asia to kill our grannies, gosh darn it!'

But I have to give Palin credit. For someone with the knowledge and intellectual curiosity of an Alaskan moose, she's sure demonstrating some deft political skills. What the health-care debate has proven is that in 'retirement' she's not crawling under any rocks just yet. For some strange reason, and I cannot for the life of me understand it, there actually are a whole bunch of people who hang onto every word this inarticulate, vacuous, empty-Versace-suited fraud has to say. That we as a nation are engaged in a bitter partisan battle over such an important subject as health care, with Palin's words leading the charge on the right, is absolutely mind-boggling. Maybe Republicans have been right along: perhaps she is the future of their party.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/sarah-palins-death-panel_b_260153.html
 

backhoeboogie

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She has a lot of power. No doubt. Much more crediblity that our president.

My niece is a liberal living in Alaska. She read Palin's book and told me once she started, she couldn't put it down and read it cover to cover.

She related how Palin put a stop to harrassment against women in all state agencies and how it was born out of Palin's on clerical experiences in public agencies.

This niece is a total liberal but dedicated to Palin more than most all conservatives. Palin did a lot to set things right for my family living in Alaska. (I have other family there).

Palin's integrity is what scares the democrats the most. Funny that just a straight up citizen can rise to governor the way she did and make it onto the ticket as VP. Just a plain old mom.
 

badaxemoo

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backhoeboogie said:
She has a lot of power. No doubt. Much more crediblity that our president.

With who?

A certain segment of the Republican base. Yes.

Outside of those folks, she is still nothing more than a punch line to a bad joke and if she is foolish enough to run for President, her campaign is going to prove that over and over again.
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
backhoeboogie said:
She has a lot of power. No doubt. Much more crediblity that our president.

With who?

A certain segment of the Republican base. Yes.

Outside of those folks, she is still nothing more than a punch line to a bad joke and if she is foolish enough to run for President, her campaign is going to prove that over and over again.

Tell you what, Badaxe, let's have a little credibility contest. For every lie that I can find of Obama's, you pay me $10. For every lie of Palin's that you can bring up, I'll pay double. Interested?
 

Sandhusker

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backhoeboogie said:
You're going to lose husker. Obama doesn't lie according to BAdaxe. He "flips"

You're right - and according to Reader and OT, he "misspeaks".

I wish he would "misflip" and bust his arse. :lol:
 

Lonecowboy

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In my opinion the appeal of Sarah Palin is that she is one of us.
Kind of like Ronald Reagan-
none of this ivy league prep school arrogance-
She has a stage to say what most of us are thinking, and saying it in a way that we can all understand, none of this political blathering.
The same appeal Joe the plumber has.

We, the working people of America, know that we can and will do whatever it takes to get the job done. I think most see Sarah Palin the same way. We can relate to that. We can connect with that.

Look at how many politicians try to put on this same act- taking off the tie and jacket and rolling up the sleves- gonna get down to work act-
but with Sarah Palin it's not an act, it's who she is.

She's someone we could all be comfortable sitting down and having a cup of coffee with.
She's a gitter done-gotter did kind of gal.
I don't think I would trust most politicians to check the oil in an engine without doublechecking to make sure they did it right. Kind of like a 5 year old.
Thay talk about Ronald Reagan being a "man's man"
I see Sarah Palin as a "man's woman, and a woman's woman"
Someone I at least can admire and respect, not very mant politicians earn that from me.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
For some strange reason, and I cannot for the life of me understand it, there actually are a whole bunch of people who hang onto every word this inarticulate, vacuous, empty-Versace-suited fraud has to say. That we as a nation are engaged in a bitter partisan battle over such an important subject as health care, with Palin's words leading the charge on the right, is absolutely mind-boggling. Maybe Republicans have been right along: perhaps she is the future of their party.

What's mind boggling to me is that you still believe what Obama tells you, in spite of the staggering list of half-truths, misrepresentations, contradictins, and blatant lies that he's told. Let's also not forget all of the blatant plants in his meetings.
 

nonothing

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backhoeboogie said:
She has a lot of power. No doubt. Much more crediblity that our president.

My niece is a liberal living in Alaska. She read Palin's book and told me once she started, she couldn't put it down and read it cover to cover.

She related how Palin put a stop to harrassment against women in all state agencies and how it was born out of Palin's on clerical experiences in public agencies.

This niece is a total liberal but dedicated to Palin more than most all conservatives. Palin did a lot to set things right for my family living in Alaska. (I have other family there).

Palin's integrity is what scares the democrats the most. Funny that just a straight up citizen can rise to governor the way she did and make it onto the ticket as VP. Just a plain old mom.

She has zero integrity as far as I am concerned,.......She complained about her family being picked on ,and I honestly felt she was right to do so......Then she quit office over it ...which again was her choice.....but after all that bitching and moaning again which I thought was a fair critisim,she goes out and involves her family in a politically motivated shot towards Obama's medical plan.....

I have no issue if she does not agree with his plan .but to bring her handicaped child into the conversation just made me think of what really does matter to her?.After what she said, it cannot be her family.....She never had to use her child like that,and after all the complaints she made about how her family was miss treated....Shame on her,as far as I am concerned she is just a playa now and just out right lied to America........She brought her handicaped child into this when all she had to do was stick to facts not bring in her personal family which she bitched and whined about being used by the media just a few weeks ago.......I am sorry to say it but Mrs Palin is the one using her children this time ,not the dems or the press or even David Letterman.......This time its all on her..
 

Lonecowboy

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reader (the Second) said:
Lonecowboy said:
In my opinion the appeal of Sarah Palin is that she is one of us.
Kind of like Ronald Reagan-
none of this ivy league prep school arrogance-
She has a stage to say what most of us are thinking, and saying it in a way that we can all understand, none of this political blathering.
The same appeal Joe the plumber has.

We, the working people of America, know that we can and will do whatever it takes to get the job done. I think most see Sarah Palin the same way. We can relate to that. We can connect with that.

Look at how many politicians try to put on this same act- taking off the tie and jacket and rolling up the sleves- gonna get down to work act-
but with Sarah Palin it's not an act, it's who she is.

She's someone we could all be comfortable sitting down and having a cup of coffee with.
She's a gitter done-gotter did kind of gal.
I don't think I would trust most politicians to check the oil in an engine without doublechecking to make sure they did it right. Kind of like a 5 year old.
Thay talk about Ronald Reagan being a "man's man"
I see Sarah Palin as a "man's woman, and a woman's woman"
Someone I at least can admire and respect, not very mant politicians earn that from me.

Ronald Reagan was a wealthy actor who hobnobbed with department store magnums like Bloomingdale.

And while Palin is of the people, her media handlers are the ones creating her image and her words. And I can promise you that they are not "one of us".

She's telegenic like Reagan. It's sad that this is how we judge our leaders but how they project on television.

TrueR2- we only see what they show us.
But then it wouldn't be Sarah palin's words that media is making fun of but the words of her "handlers".
So you are saying we don't know the Real Sarah Palin anymore than we do the real obama?

But how would you explain away Joe the Plumber's appeal?
he didn't have a handler that fateful day obama approached him.
the concerns coming out of his mouth were his own.
I don't think you could claim that he has telegenic appeal.
So what did people connect to?
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
If you look at what Joe thePlumber turned out to be, you'll see that his appeal was not based on him being a moral person who we should listen to.

His appeal was NEVER about him being somebody to be listened to, his appeal was about the direct question he asked and the revealing questing that he received. The resulting hubub would of been the same had "Frank the accountant" or "Susie the florist" asked it.

That is the trouble with television Lonecowboy, it can be used by skilled marketing experts to manipulate our emotions and opinions.

MSM?

Look at Hitler. I was told that he mesmerized those who listened to him. Humans can be easily fooled by someone who "appeals" to them emotionally for whatever reason -- because he looks or sounds like one of them or because he has charisma or because he tells them exactly what they want to hear.

Like a "Great man" preaching "Change we can believe in"?

That is why we do not know how a politician is doing until we have some years to study their records and what they REALLY stand for and accomplish. Not what they say and not what their opposition says about them because that is biased.

Virtually every politician at the Washington level has a record to study. You just have to do it. For some reason, you libs refused to do it with Obama. I guess it was because of his charisma and him saying what you wanted to hear.

I judge Sarah Palin by her decisions such as to quit her office of Governor. To drag her pregnant 18 year old on stage with her "fiance". To bring her Downs baby into the debate on healthcare. To preach abstinence and let her daughter's boyfriend practically live with them and turn a blind eye and to not talk to them about birth control. To me, she does not have good common sense, despite her obvious ambition and her television talent.

I judge Obama on his record that he has not been able to suppress. I see a socialist who supports infanticide, is a rabid anti-gun nut, a racist, a habitual liar, and somebody with a history of shady friends. I see another greasy low-life Chicago politician.
 

Lonecowboy

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reader (the Second) said:
If you look at what Joe thePlumber turned out to be, you'll see that his appeal was not based on him being a moral person who we should listen to.

I'm not sure that I mentioned marality, I said that his unrehearsed question was one many of us could relate to and were thinking. He just got the opportunity to ask it in person. Then the media tried to demonize him for it, your "skilled marketing experts manipulating emotions and opinions". The first segment was real not manipulated, unless you think joe was planted by obama

That is the trouble with television Lonecowboy, it can be used by skilled marketing experts to manipulate our emotions and opinions.

I totally agree R2- I don't have television in my house, rarely even see it.
So I just read transcripts of what people said on the net or watch clips on youtube


Look at Hitler. I was told that he mesmerized those who listened to him. Humans can be easily fooled by someone who "appeals" to them emotionally for whatever reason -- because he looks or sounds like one of them or because he has charisma or because he tells them exactly what they want to hear.

I agree wholeheartedly once again R2- this is exactly obama in a nutshell.
The lack of television in my house is one of the many reason I feel that I wasn't taken in by obama like so many others were.


That is why we do not know how a politician is doing until we have some years to study their records and what they REALLY stand for and accomplish. Not what they say and not what their opposition says about them because that is biased.

I agree again R2- WOW- That is the problem with the lack of transparency with obama- he hides all his records, we know nothing about him, except what he and the media say, he's never really accomplished anything except get elected and fill his pockets full of other people's money.

I judge Sarah Palin by her decisions such as to quit her office of Governor. To drag her pregnant 18 year old on stage with her "fiance". To bring her Downs baby into the debate on healthcare. To preach abstinence and let her daughter's boyfriend practically live with them and turn a blind eye and to not talk to them about birth control. To me, she does not have good common sense, despite her obvious ambition and her television talent.
 

Lonecowboy

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ok R2- you always say I'm respecrtfull and polite to you so I'm saying this as politly and respectfully as possible- please go back and read your posts- you're talking out both sides of your mouth saying the exact opposite things and going in circles-

example: "Don't listen to what politicians say, look at what the do"
the you say " Listen to obama, don't look at what he has or hasn't done"

( my paraphrases, I'm to lazty to cut and paste)
 

badaxemoo

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reader (the Second) said:
You show how subjective and emotionally based your views are with the language you use Sandhusker.

You hated Obama for who he is -- a Democrat, a person of mixed race, an educated person with a Harvard law degree, a man who has lived and traveled abroad, a man who believes in social justice, a man who came out of nowhere and was able to hold steady against a sea of veteran national politicians against all odds.

We have said from day one that we are waiting to see how Obama will do. You have said since day one that you loathe him, he is a Kenyan, a Marxist, you talk about his "lips". In every way you show that your views are not based on fact but on prejudice and fear of the unknown. There was not one second where you listened to what he had to say or viewed him objectively.

That is an excellent and perceptive summary.

And yet he continually demands that posters engage in debate with his positions.

There really isn't much point in debating those positions considering what seemingly inspires them.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
You show how subjective and emotionally based your views are with the language you use Sandhusker.

You hated Obama for who he is -- a Democrat, a person of mixed race, an educated person with a Harvard law degree, a man who has lived and traveled abroad, a man who believes in social justice, a man who came out of nowhere and was able to hold steady against a sea of veteran national politicians against all odds.

We have said from day one that we are waiting to see how Obama will do. You have said since day one that you loathe him, he is a Kenyan, a Marxist, you talk about his "lips". In every way you show that your views are not based on fact but on prejudice and fear of the unknown. There was not one second where you listened to what he had to say or viewed him objectively.

You have no idea what they hell you're talking about Reader. I don't hate Democrats, I've voted for Ben Nelson every time he ran for office (but no more). I have no probem with his ethnic backgound, and for you to say that insults me and shows your lack of substance. For you to claim that I have a problem with education who has travel is beyond absurd. You're really reaching into fantasy land. I talk about his lips in the sense that when they're moving, he lying.

I've posted this twice now, and I'll do it again to explain my dislike for this man;
He isn’t my President, MG. As far as I’m concerned, he’s not the President as he doesn’t meet the basic requirements. He’s a usurper, and his actions prove that he knows he’s a usurper. But, even if he did meet the requirements as laid out in the Constitution, why should I give the man a chance?

First of all, I’m a conservative and he’s a socialist. We have totally different views of the role of government. And please, don’t tell me that he’s not a socialist. He was raised by socialists, he hung out with socialists in college, he joined a socialist party in Chicago. That socialist background is reflected in his policies and agendas. He’s so far in left field, he’s behind the hotdog stand. The guy is cherry red. I don’t like his politics.

The man comes from a sewer. His “church” is led by a racist clown and gave Louis Farakhan their equivalent of “Man of the Year” award. Louis Farakhan, MG. He associated closely with crook Tony Rezko, getting a sweet-heart real estate deal after helping him secure government contracts. His first fundraiser was in the home of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. He won his first election by playing dirty pool and getting everybody else off the ticket. He’s been an attorney for ACORN. His associations reflect his character, and I don’t like what I see.

The man is a compulsive liar. He lied about what he heard in “church”. He lied about Ayers and Rezko. He lied about transparency in his government. He lied about pork in his porkulus bill. He lied about not having lobbyists in his government. He lied about putting his birth certificate on the internet. I don’t like liars.

The guy promises transparency, but then locks away his birth certificate, his college records, his selective service document, his passport records, etc….. He holds himself out to have the answers to our racial problems, but his books are dripping with racism, he attended a racist “church” for 20 years, and he’s on tape making racist comments. I don’t trust a man who locks away his past so it can’t be seen and I don’t like hypocrites.

He had never done a dang thing that would give him experience to be President. He’s written more books about himself than meaningful legislation. He even admitted that he lacked the experience to run for president that that he would never do it – right before he did it.

So here we have a man who has no qualifications/experience for the office, is a racist, a hypocrite, a liar, a scum bag, and a damn socialist. Why in the world would ANYBODY in their right mind give this guy a chance?


But it's got to be racial, or his education, or that he traveled.... :roll:
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
I judge Sarah Palin by her decisions such as to quit her office of Governor. To drag her pregnant 18 year old on stage with her "fiance". To bring her Downs baby into the debate on healthcare. To preach abstinence and let her daughter's boyfriend practically live with them and turn a blind eye and to not talk to them about birth control. To me, she does not have good common sense, despite her obvious ambition and her television talent.

We totally understand Rapper. If she were democrat her daughter would have aborted and no one would know. She would not have practiced servant leadership and would still be governor and power hungry. She would not have put a stop to all the sexual and other harrassment all these years in government offices. SHe would not have cleaned up the policy in Alaska in the first place. She would not have been selected for the ticket. She wouldn't have a love for that helpless Downs baby and would have it tucked away out of sight and out of mind for the general public. She would probably give crafted speeches and carefully select her words.

None of us would even know who she is.

It is funny how so many libs in Alaska love her.

Thank goodness she is not a lying weasel.
 

Sandhusker

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Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
You show how subjective and emotionally based your views are with the language you use Sandhusker.

You hated Obama for who he is -- a Democrat, a person of mixed race, an educated person with a Harvard law degree, a man who has lived and traveled abroad, a man who believes in social justice, a man who came out of nowhere and was able to hold steady against a sea of veteran national politicians against all odds.

We have said from day one that we are waiting to see how Obama will do. You have said since day one that you loathe him, he is a Kenyan, a Marxist, you talk about his "lips". In every way you show that your views are not based on fact but on prejudice and fear of the unknown. There was not one second where you listened to what he had to say or viewed him objectively.

You have no idea what they hell you're talking about Reader. I don't hate Democrats, I've voted for Ben Nelson every time he ran for office (but no more). I have no probem with his ethnic backgound, and for you to say that insults me and shows your lack of substance. For you to claim that I have a problem with education who has travel is beyond absurd. You're really reaching into fantasy land. I talk about his lips in the sense that when they're moving, he lying.

I've posted this twice now, and I'll do it again to explain my dislike for this man;
He isn’t my President, MG. As far as I’m concerned, he’s not the President as he doesn’t meet the basic requirements. He’s a usurper, and his actions prove that he knows he’s a usurper. But, even if he did meet the requirements as laid out in the Constitution, why should I give the man a chance?

First of all, I’m a conservative and he’s a socialist. We have totally different views of the role of government. And please, don’t tell me that he’s not a socialist. He was raised by socialists, he hung out with socialists in college, he joined a socialist party in Chicago. That socialist background is reflected in his policies and agendas. He’s so far in left field, he’s behind the hotdog stand. The guy is cherry red. I don’t like his politics.

The man comes from a sewer. His “church” is led by a racist clown and gave Louis Farakhan their equivalent of “Man of the Year” award. Louis Farakhan, MG. He associated closely with crook Tony Rezko, getting a sweet-heart real estate deal after helping him secure government contracts. His first fundraiser was in the home of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. He won his first election by playing dirty pool and getting everybody else off the ticket. He’s been an attorney for ACORN. His associations reflect his character, and I don’t like what I see.

The man is a compulsive liar. He lied about what he heard in “church”. He lied about Ayers and Rezko. He lied about transparency in his government. He lied about pork in his porkulus bill. He lied about not having lobbyists in his government. He lied about putting his birth certificate on the internet. I don’t like liars.

The guy promises transparency, but then locks away his birth certificate, his college records, his selective service document, his passport records, etc….. He holds himself out to have the answers to our racial problems, but his books are dripping with racism, he attended a racist “church” for 20 years, and he’s on tape making racist comments. I don’t trust a man who locks away his past so it can’t be seen and I don’t like hypocrites.

He had never done a dang thing that would give him experience to be President. He’s written more books about himself than meaningful legislation. He even admitted that he lacked the experience to run for president that that he would never do it – right before he did it.

So here we have a man who has no qualifications/experience for the office, is a racist, a hypocrite, a liar, a scum bag, and a damn socialist. Why in the world would ANYBODY in their right mind give this guy a chance?


But it's got to be racial, or his education, or that he traveled.... :roll:

How is that for perception, Badaxe?
 

Lonecowboy

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nonothing said:
backhoeboogie said:
She has a lot of power. No doubt. Much more crediblity that our president.

My niece is a liberal living in Alaska. She read Palin's book and told me once she started, she couldn't put it down and read it cover to cover.

She related how Palin put a stop to harrassment against women in all state agencies and how it was born out of Palin's on clerical experiences in public agencies.

This niece is a total liberal but dedicated to Palin more than most all conservatives. Palin did a lot to set things right for my family living in Alaska. (I have other family there).

Palin's integrity is what scares the democrats the most. Funny that just a straight up citizen can rise to governor the way she did and make it onto the ticket as VP. Just a plain old mom.

She has zero integrity as far as I am concerned,.......She complained about her family being picked on ,and I honestly felt she was right to do so......Then she quit office over it ...which again was her choice.....but after all that bitching and moaning again which I thought was a fair critisim,she goes out and involves her family in a politically motivated shot towards Obama's medical plan.....

I have no issue if she does not agree with his plan .but to bring her handicaped child into the conversation just made me think of what really does matter to her?.After what she said, it cannot be her family.....She never had to use her child like that,and after all the complaints she made about how her family was miss treated....Shame on her,as far as I am concerned she is just a playa now and just out right lied to America........She brought her handicaped child into this when all she had to do was stick to facts not bring in her personal family which she bitched and whined about being used by the media just a few weeks ago.......I am sorry to say it but Mrs Palin is the one using her children this time ,not the dems or the press or even David Letterman.......This time its all on her..

[quote]"I just lost my grandmother last year. I know what it's like to watch somebody you love, who's aging, deteriorate and have to struggle with that," an impassioned Obama told a crowd as he spoke of Madelyn Payne Dunham. He took issue with "the notion that somehow I ran for public office or members of Congress are in this so they can go around pulling the plug on grandma."[/quote]
 

Faster horses

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Good job nailing everything, Sandhusker.
I'm with you.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :tiphat:

In case anyone calls me a cheerleader, read my lips:
I DON'T CARE :shock:
 
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