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Hugh Hewitt Exposes Gloria Allred's

Mike

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dispicable dirty tricks:

http://www.breitbart.tv/hugh-hewitt-exposes-gloria-allreds-despicable-dirty-trick-against-meg-whitman/
 

hopalong

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Remind you of a certian poster that also skisrts the issue, never really addressng facts as presented, claims to know the law but can't cite it. listens to unproven alligations and tries to use them as fact in his argument?
Someone that still has not answered some of my questions??

Eh?
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Remind you of a certian poster that also skisrts the issue, never really addressng facts as presented, claims to know the law but can't cite it. listens to unproven alligations and tries to use them as fact in his argument?
Someone that still has not answered some of my questions??

Eh?
 
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Anonymous

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This is the issue--Brown didn't hire the illegal alien employee- Allred didn't hire the illegal alien employee- the left didn't hire the illegal alien employee- the unions didn't hire the illegal alien employee---- Meg Whitman hired the illegal alien employee- and kept her employed for 9 years- 6 years after she had even received notification that would have thrown up red flags of the persons legality in the normal persons mind..... :roll:

And she still refuses to take responsibility and wants to blame everyone else..... :(


Whitman housekeeper controversy looms over debate
By:
CNN's Gabriella Schwarz


(CNN) - California Republican gubernatorial nominee Meg Whitman accused Democratic opponent Jerry Brown of orchestrating the scandal that erupted this week over her former housekeeper, Nicky Diaz-Santillan, in a debate Saturday night.

"Jerry, you know you should be ashamed, you and your surrogates," Whitman said. "You put it out here and you should be ashamed for sacrificing Nicky Diaz on the altar of your political ambitions."
In response, Brown said Whitman was avoiding responsibility for hiring an undocumented worker.

"You have blamed her, blamed me, blamed the left, blamed the unions. But you don't take accountability," Brown said.



The candidates sparred over the economy, jobs and immigration, a key issue in the border state.

Brown criticized Whitman's stance that employers should be held accountable for hiring illegal immigrants and brought the debate back to the recent controversy over her onetime housekeeper.

"Ms. Whitman obviously didn't crack down on herself," Brown said. "That is a question of talking out of both sides of her mouth."
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
This is the issue--Brown didn't hire the illegal alien employee- Allred didn't hire the illegal alien employee- the left didn't hire the illegal alien employee- the unions didn't hire the illegal alien employee---- Meg Whitman hired the illegal alien employee- and kept her employed for 9 years- 6 years after she had even received notification that would have thrown up red flags of the persons legality in the normal persons mind..... :roll:

And she still refuses to take responsibility and wants to blame everyone else..... :(


Whitman housekeeper controversy looms over debate
By:
CNN's Gabriella Schwarz


(CNN) - California Republican gubernatorial nominee Meg Whitman accused Democratic opponent Jerry Brown of orchestrating the scandal that erupted this week over her former housekeeper, Nicky Diaz-Santillan, in a debate Saturday night.

"Jerry, you know you should be ashamed, you and your surrogates," Whitman said. "You put it out here and you should be ashamed for sacrificing Nicky Diaz on the altar of your political ambitions."
In response, Brown said Whitman was avoiding responsibility for hiring an undocumented worker.

"You have blamed her, blamed me, blamed the left, blamed the unions. But you don't take accountability," Brown said.



The candidates sparred over the economy, jobs and immigration, a key issue in the border state.

Brown criticized Whitman's stance that employers should be held accountable for hiring illegal immigrants and brought the debate back to the recent controversy over her onetime housekeeper.

"Ms. Whitman obviously didn't crack down on herself," Brown said. "That is a question of talking out of both sides of her mouth."


Has it been proven in a court of law yet oldtimer??????? Has it???

all you are doing is making an allegation, unproven
That make anything you say suspect regarding the matter.

Do you have the letter the SSA sent?
Do you know the rules that surround it?

you are just like Gloria!!!
show us the proof you have! then you can make all the allegations you want
I said PROOF not some alligations!!! :roll: :roll:
barring that you are just HOT air!!! You cannot even Cite the title in which the letter was formed within the SSA administration
yet YOU know the law????
give us all a break oldtimer go back the the waterhole as long as you are buying drinks everyone will agree with you :wink: :wink: :wink:
:roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Mike

Well-known member
In response, Brown said Whitman was avoiding responsibility for hiring an undocumented worker.
Whitman provided legal forms that Santillan signed at the time of employment. She even provided a copy of the Social Security card given to her by Santillan.

How much more "responsible" can one be? :lol:

"Undocumented" is the word that Brown uses to skirt the real issue. He refuses to use the word "Illegal" so that he won't alienate his "Illegal" constituency.

Santillan should go to jail for lying.

Now then comes Gloria Allred, who is suing Whitman? Sheesh. No one is that stupid.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Seems it all rests on the letter that the SSA sent,
Yet oldtimer who claims to know all about the SSA cannot tell us which title sent the letter. has not seen the letter, so is it possible the letter was more about benefits being compromised that legality of the card?
This isn't Montana oldtimer you cannot condem without PROOF, No one has been charged! no one has been tried, so it is merely alligations!!!

EH??????????

My apologies to the REAL people of Montanans not the bigots, not the know it all j.p. ex sheriff's, not the woman hater ex sheriffs.

EH proof oldtimer PROOF


OPss I forgot you do not have to show proof you are a liberal woman hater and can get by with your mis truths

:roll:
 

Steve

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Meg Whitman hired the illegal alien employee- and kept her employed for 9 years- 6 years after she had even received notification that would have thrown up red flags of the persons legality in the normal persons mind

actually even the left has conceded that this is not true... her husband who is not running for any office dealt with the letter...

Fact..
Allred produced a copy of the letter Thursday that she says shows Whitman's husband, Dr. Griffith Harsh, partially filled it out.

Dr. Griffith Harsh — released a statement — saying he didn't recall the letter but it is possible he wrote the note on it.

"At bottom of letter, "Dr. Harsh has written: 'Nicky, please check this. Thanks,'" Allred said, adding that the housekeeper recognized the handwriting as belonging to Whitman's husband.

The housekeeper said she was told to "check on this,"

According to the Social Security Administration's website, such letters first go to the employee, and then are sent to an employer about two weeks later — making it plausible that Diaz Santillan could have been on the lookout for it.

The campaign released employment applications filled out when the former housekeeper was hired in 2000, including a copy of a Social Security card and a California driver's license, that indicated the woman was a legal resident. Whitman's campaign has said Diaz Santillan admitted to using her sister's documents when she applied for the $23–an–hour job.


here is the real kicker...
From Agency spokesman Mark Lassiter

"An employer with one or two employees in 2003 to 2006 would not have gotten an employer letter," Lassiter said.

so who to believe... a liberal lawyer and her Illegal client..

or the facts that point in a different direction?
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
dispicable dirty tricks:

http://www.breitbart.tv/hugh-hewitt-exposes-gloria-allreds-despicable-dirty-trick-against-meg-whitman/

I guess it probably is a dirty trick... Kind of the name of the game of politics anymore....But seriously- ask yourself, if this had been a Dem, or Ind, or even a Tea Partyier that had hired an illegal alien-and was running against a Repub- do you think Rush or Karl Rove wouldn't throw it out there immediately in a "Swiftboating" attempt :???:

No question in my mind- because Rove is known as the epitome of political dirty tricks- and Rush will do anything for an (R) or a story smearing the (D's)....

Apparently everybody has forgotten all the politicians, white house appointees, and if I remember right I think even a SCOTUS nominee- both R's and D's that had to step down or back out of nomination over the years- when it was outed they had employed illegals.....

I can't believe Whitman was so vain or ignorant that she thought this illegal alien employee she had for 9 years would not be exposed...
 

hopalong

Well-known member
How do we know anyone hired an illigal?????
Has there really been any actiual proof of it ???

How do we know Witman is guilty of anything oldtimer ??
Has she been charged?m has she been before a judge? ( no not a Montana j.p.
A real judge??
has she been proven beyonda reasonable doubt that she is guilty??? EH???

EH oldtimer
Has she ? Eh?
 
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Anonymous

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hopalong said:
How do we know anyone hired an illigal?????
Has there really been any actiual proof of it ???


How do we know Witman is guilty of anything oldtimer ??
Has she been charged?m has she been before a judge? ( no not a Montana j.p.
A real judge??
has she been proven beyonda reasonable doubt that she is guilty??? EH???

EH oldtimer
Has she ? Eh?

What a Buffoon-- Whitman admitted in public hiring her and 9 years later firing her .....

But you keep protecting those folks that hire and employ the illegals...That keep giving them a reason to be smuggled across the border...

Did you ever think it may have been the same coyote that smuggled Whitmans maid across that killed the Arizona rancher... :???:
 

loomixguy

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Why does Whitman get all the blame or shoulder all the guilt, Short timer? Does not Santillan deserve equal treatment under the law? Santillan was the one who used forged/improper documents, NOT Whitman. I imagine folks who are quite wealthy are used to telling their employees to handle what may first appear to be mundane things, as they have enough on their plate as it is.

The way Short timer (who no doubt somewhere along the line took an oath to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United Estates), is defending an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT/ALIEN, who has admitted to be here ILLEGALLY, you'd think Santillan was splitting that $23/hour with him.
 
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Anonymous

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loomixguy said:
Why does Whitman get all the blame or shoulder all the guilt, Short timer? Does not Santillan deserve equal treatment under the law? Santillan was the one who used forged/improper documents, NOT Whitman. I imagine folks who are quite wealthy are used to telling their employees to handle what may first appear to be mundane things, as they have enough on their plate as it is.

The way Short timer (who no doubt somewhere along the line took an oath to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United Estates), is defending an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT/ALIEN, who has admitted to be here ILLEGALLY, you'd think Santillan was splitting that $23/hour with him.

Show me where I ever said that Santillan should not be blamed or charged!!!

I've always said that with the alledged facts now known that she should face both federal and state charges of fraud for false representation of a Social Security number. This is a felony under federal law and carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. There is also probably state identity theft charges also..

But what about Whitman-- should she not be charged with hiring and harboring an illegal alien :???: She not only hired and employed the person for 9 years- but after admitting she found out the employee was illegal never contacted Immigration authorities or SSA authorities- and according to Santillan told her to keep her mouth shut and never say she'd ever known her...
To me that sounds like she could be charged with hiring and harboring...

Or do we have two different scales of justice in this country- one where the wealthy can walk free- while the lowly Packing Plant employees go to prison :???:

August 08, 2008

Union official at Swift & Co. sentenced to prison for harboring illegal aliens


DES MOINES, Iowa - An official with the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) union was sentenced Friday to a year and a day in federal prison for harboring illegal aliens employed at the Swift & Company processing plant in Marshalltown, Iowa. This sentencing resulted from an investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that also included the December 2006 arrests of 1,297 illegal aliens employed at Swift plants in six states.

Braulio Pereyra-Gabino was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Ronald E. Longstaff, who also ordered him to pay a $2,000 fine. Pereya-Gabino was convicted May 8 by a federal jury. During the trial prosecutors demonstrated that Pereya-Gabino concealed illegal aliens, and shielded them from detection in a building at the Swift & Company plant at 402 North 10th Ave. in Marshalltown, Iowa.

"This sentence sends a clear message that criminal charges and prison time are very real consequences of facilitating the employment of illegal aliens," said Estela Biesemeyer, resident agent in charge of the ICE Office of Investigations in Des Moines. "Working in partnership with the U.S. Attorney's Office, ICE has made it a priority to pursue criminal charges against those who engage in identity theft, and also those who allow such fraud to flourish in the workplace."

Pereyra-Gabino was arrested July 10, 2007, along with Chris Lamb, a human resources employee, in Marshalltown. Lamb, a 17-year Swift employee, was also charged with harboring illegal aliens. He pleaded guilty to the charge and was sentenced to probation earlier this year.

The criminal arrests of Braulio-Pereyra and Lamb followed the Dec. 12, 2006, administrative arrests of 1,297 illegal aliens when agents executed civil search warrants at Swift facilities in the following six cities: Marshalltown, Iowa; Grand Island, Neb.; Worthington, Minn.; Greeley, Colo.; Hyrum, Utah; and Cactus, Texas. Subsequently, 274 of those arrested were criminally charged with identity theft or using fraudulent documents. ICE administratively arrested an additional 18 illegal aliens during a subsequent two-day operation at the six plants July 10 and 11, 2007.
 

loomixguy

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This isn't about packing plant employees and you damn well know it. I KNOW what goes on at Swift and at local feedlots, but that ain't the butter on this biscuit.

No, you NEVER said Santillan should not be blamed or charged, until you were called on it, cause you were too damn busy flapping your snuff speckled lips blaming Whitman as if she were the Anti-Christ.

Yes, Whitman is probably not as pure as the wind driven snow, but at $23/hour, Santillan was making over 3 times what minimum wage is NOW, so she wasn't "suffering".....admittedly she used her own car to run errands, so she wasn't exactly destitute, not like some of the feedlot "employees" who crowd into trailer houses to sleep and live on beans and rice for 3 weeks. 3 weeks, cause the feedlot pays once a month and at the end of week 3 ICE gets a call from the feedlot owner to "check their status", and BOOM, they worked for 3 weeks for free, and now get a free ride back home to Mexico.

Appears to me that Santillan's crimes far outweigh Whitman's, but I'm fair enough to let the prosecutors and defense attorney's work it out. At least Santillan was paid...that's more than some can say. Innocent until PROVEN guilty...works for both Whitman AND Santillan.
 

Mike

Well-known member
But what about Whitman-- should she not be charged with hiring and harboring an illegal alien

No way, no how. She has documentation that Santillan signed claiming to be a "Legal" alien. Plus copies of forged documents given her by Santillan to show her supposed "Legal" status.

Just how stupid are you? :roll:

If you fall for this deception, you'll fall for anything.......................
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Mike said:
But what about Whitman-- should she not be charged with hiring and harboring an illegal alien

No way, no how. She has documentation that Santillan signed claiming to be a "Legal" alien. Plus copies of forged documents given her by Santillan to show her supposed "Legal" status.

Just how stupid are you? :roll:

If you fall for this deception, you'll fall for anything.......................


and the employment agency guaranteed the worker was legal. She might have a suit against them though.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
This is part of what a normal letter from SSA to an employer oldtimer, i could get a copy of the full transcript for you but the time and effort would not be worth it

!This letter does not imply that you or your employee intentionally provided incorrect information about the employee’s name or SSN…Any employer that uses the information in this letter to justify taking adverse action against an employee may violate state or federal law and be subject to legal consequences. Moreover, this letter makes no statement about your employee’s immigration status.


EH?
 
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