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Faster horses

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THIS WILL OPEN YOUR EYES!
By Paul Harvey

Conveniently Forgotten Facts. Back in 1969 a group of
Black Panthers decided that a fellow black panther named
Alex Rackley needed to die.

Rackley was suspected of disloyalty. Rackley was first tied
to a chair. Once safely immobilized, his friends tortured him
for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him.
When they got tired of torturing Rackley, Black Panther member,
Warren Kimbo took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his head.
Rackley's body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles
north of New Haven, Connecticut.

Perhaps at this point you're curious as to what happened to these Black
Panthers? In 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the
killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a
scholarship to Harvard and became good friends with none
other than Al Gore. He later became an assistant dean at an
Eastern Connecticut State College. Isn't that something? As a
'60s radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head and a few
years later, in the same state, you can become an assistant
college dean! Only in America!

Erica Huggins was the woman who served the Panthers by boiling the water
for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a
California School Board.

How in the world do you think these killers got off so
easy? Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two
people who came to the defense of the Panthers. These two
people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University with
demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during
their trial. One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee.

Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He
! isn't a member of a California School Board. He is now head of the United
States Justice Department's Civil Rights Division,
appointed by none other than Bill Clinton.

O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? Is this other
notable Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other
Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No, neither!

The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law
student at Yale University at the time. She is now known as The
"smartest woman in the world." She is none other than the Democratic
senator from the state of New York----our former First Lady,
the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And now, as Paul Harvey said; "You know the rest of the story".

Pass this on! This deserves the widest possible press.
Also remember it, when, she runs for President.
 

Disagreeable

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You're so pitiful. It isn't true. When are you going to stop allowing these people to make a fool of you? It isn't true and Paul Harvey never broadcast such a program. My emphasis; link below. :roll:

"Origins: It's difficult for those who weren't around to experience the 1960s first-hand to fully understand the controversy that swirled around "radical" parties such as the Black Panthers. Certainly to many Americans they represented the very worst of that era's political movements: a group of hate-filled militants who felt their disaffection with the existing social and political systems justified anything required to achieve their aim of "revolution by any means necessary" (such as smuggling guns into a Marin County courtroom in an attempt to free Panther George Jackson, resulting in a shoot-out that killed a judge, two inmates, and Jackson's brother). To others, however, they were the only political group that truly represented a downtrodden and marginalized group of people who had been enslaved, discriminated against, and denied civil rights protections for hundreds of years; that sought to improve the condition of the poor by operating schools, opening medical clinics, and providing free breakfasts for ghetto children; and that had the courage to stand up to the brutality visited upon them by law enforcement acting in the service of a government and a society that sought to "keep them in their
place."
In May of 1969, Black Panther founder and national chairman Bobby Seale (who had already been indicted for his alleged participation in demonstrations at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in August 1968) made a trip from Oakland to New Haven, Connecticut, to speak at Yale University. The Black Panthers were by then nationally known, a focus of media attention, and under the active surveillance of the FBI. (J. Edgar Hoover had publicly declared several months earlier that he considered the Panthers "the greatest threat to the internal security of the country.") Rumors of police informants and government spies having infiltrated the party were rampant, and a man named Alex Rackley, a member of the Panthers' New York chapter, fell under suspicion. Rackley was taken to the home of Warren Kimbro (a "community organizer and aspiring Panther") where he was held captive for 24 hours, beaten, and scalded with boiling water in an effort to force him to confess. Rackley was then taken to a marsh in Middlefield by Kimbro, George Sams (Panther field marshall and, according to some, himself a police informant), and Lonnie McLucas (a Panther member from Bridgeport), where Sams ordered Kimbro and McLucas to kill the suspected informant. (Who did the actual killing has always been disputed; McLucas reportedly fired the first shot, but Kimbro admitted to delivering the bullet to the head that killed Rackley.) Rackley's body was discovered the next day by fishermen, and fourteen Black Panthers were arrested and charged with murder, kidnapping, and conspiracy.

That several Black Panthers directly took part in the torture and murder of Alex Rackey is beyond dispute. But this piece isn't really about outrage over what the Black Panthers did thirty years ago; it's a political tract whose purpose is to discredit Hillary Clinton by associating her with the Black Panthers. Of the hundreds of people who played part in the Black Panthers' New Haven trial three decades ago, the only ones named here are Hillary Clinton (a former first lady and now a U.S. senator representing New York), and Bill Lann Lee (former acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division, whose appointment by President Clinton was controversial because of Lee's support for affirmative action programs).

So, exactly what connection do Senator Clinton and Mr. Lee have to the Black Panthers? The piece quoted above claims:
How in the world do you think that these killers got off so easy? Well, maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial.
We'll begin with the last part: Yale University was not "shut down" during the trial; classes were made optional when 12,000 Panther supporters swarmed the campus in protest, and the president of Yale University himself, Kingman Brewster Jr., announced: "I personally want to say that I'm appalled and ashamed that things should have come to such a pass that I am skeptical of the ability of Black revolutionaries to achieve a fair trial anywhere in the U.S." To lay the entire responsibility for such a massive, widespread protest on the shoulders of two Yale students is rather far-fetched, all the more so because nobody has offered evidence that either one of them led, or even participated in, any student demonstrations or protests in support of the Black Panthers. The above-quoted article also maintains:
How in the world do you think that these killers got off so easy? Well, maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers.
Neither Mr. Lee nor Senator Clinton "defended" the Panthers in the legal sense implied here. Bill Lee wasn't a lawyer, or even a law student; he was simply another Yale undergraduate who had no involvement in the Black Panthers' trial. Hillary Rodham (as she was known then) wasn't a lawyer then, either. She was a Yale law student, and like many of her politically-minded fellow law students who saw the latest "Trial of the Century" taking place right in their back yard, she took advantage of an opportunity to be involved in a minor, peripheral way by organizing other students to help the American Civil Liberties Union monitor the trial for civil rights violations. In any case, her tangential participation in the trial in no way helped "free" the two Black Panthers tried for the murder of Alex Rackley: they went free because the state failed to sufficiently prove its case, and after several days of deliberation the jury was unable to reach a verdict. The charges were dimissed, and the state declined to retry either Bobby Seale or Ericka Huggins.

As for Warren Kimbro, the man who admitted to shooting Alex Rackley in the head, the reason he's not still in prison is that the government allowed him to plead to a lesser charge (second degree murder) in exchange for turning state's evidence against other Panthers; he was sentenced to life in prison but was released after four years.

Update: Versions of the e-mailed denunciation headed "Paul Harvey's 'The rest of the story'" began circulating on the Internet in June 2000. This header plus a comment at the end of the text ("And now, as Paul Harvey says, you know the rest of the story") caused some to believe Paul Harvey had read this piece (or a shorter version of it) on the air. Paul Harvey's people confirm he has never broadcast the Panthers and Hillary Clinton story."


Link: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/panthers.asp
 

Faster horses

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Whether what I posted was right or not, YOURS affiliated Hillary with the ACLU and that is just as bad.

So readers, now you know there is a connection between the smartest woman in the world and the ACLU.

Hope that makes you all warm and fuzzy feelin', Dis.

OH, and Dis...where there's smoke there's fire. :?
 

ranchwife

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Faster horses said:
Whether what I posted was right or not, YOURS affiliated Hillary with the ACLU and that is just as bad.

So readers, now you know there is a connection between the smartest woman in the world and the ACLU.

Hope that makes you all warm and fuzzy feelin', Dis.

OH, and Dis...where there's smoke there's fire. :?

well put, FH!!!! :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
 

Disagreeable

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Faster horses said:
Whether what I posted was right or not, YOURS affiliated Hillary with the ACLU and that is just as bad.

So readers, now you know there is a connection between the smartest woman in the world and the ACLU.

Hope that makes you all warm and fuzzy feelin', Dis.

OH, and Dis...where there's smoke there's fire. :?

There it is: the truth is not important. And you're supposed to be a Christian. Does your church say it's ok to lie? We better get the name of that one.

LOL. I doubt Hillary Clinton would deny she's affiliated with the ACLU. The ACLU does a lot of good work; they even work for Conservative views if they think their civil rights are being violated.

So if the rumor that your daughter/granddaughter was pregnant started going around the local school, that's ok? If all her friends started scorning her, it would be ok? And the local boys started snickering when she walked by, it would be ok? After all, where there's smoke there's fire?

And don't think I'm going to let this question go unanswered.
 

Disagreeable

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ranchwife said:
Faster horses said:
Whether what I posted was right or not, YOURS affiliated Hillary with the ACLU and that is just as bad.

So readers, now you know there is a connection between the smartest woman in the world and the ACLU.

Hope that makes you all warm and fuzzy feelin', Dis.

OH, and Dis...where there's smoke there's fire. :?

well put, FH!!!! :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

I guess you go to the same church as FS? Where apparently they teach you it's ok to lie, as long is it supports your views? She posted something that she knows is not true, now she says it doesn't matter if it's true or not! The truth isn't important! So sad that a good Christian is reduced to such a low level in supprort of this President. You should be ashamed.
 

Disagreeable

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Faster horses said:
Yah, Dis, anything to keep the heat off ole Hilary!!!

Hillary can get out of the heat whenever she wants. She's running for re-election. She doesn't have to do that if she doesn't want. New York Republicans have been unable to find anyone to seriously challenge her because they know she's a shoo-in for re-election.

This isn't about Hillary. It's about you. You claim to be a good Christian woman, yet now you say it's ok for you to post lies about someone.

So I'll ask again, would it be just as ok if your daughter/granddaughter's reputation was at stake? Would the "where there's smoke there's fire" motto be ok if it was someone you respected and knew to be innocent of the claims?
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
[. You claim to be a good Christian woman, yet now you say it's ok for you to post lies about someone.
Are there different standards for good Christian women and you Dis? I don't remember you recending your statement saying that I said the Katrina victems got what they deserve. Could it be she posted it thinking it was true? You've already posted where it wasn't true, what is your reason for hounding her? Is it just a comfortable place to display your dislike for Christians or FH?
 

Disagreeable

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Faster horses said:
I didn't write it, I just posted it. Big difference.

My daughter isn't running for public office. Big difference.

You and me. Big difference.

Then you defended by saying it didn't matter if it was true or not. Do you know what that says about you? Did you have a reputation at all before this?

There's certainly a big difference between you and me. I don't lie or defend others when they lie. You do.
 

Disagreeable

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Red Robin said:
Disagreeable said:
[. You claim to be a good Christian woman, yet now you say it's ok for you to post lies about someone.
Are there different standards for good Christian women and you Dis? I don't remember you recending your statement saying that I said the Katrina victems got what they deserve.

I did respond to your post. I said if you weren't saying they got what they deserved, you were at least nodding your head in agreement. You didn't deny it; I believe it was likely the truth.

Could it be she posted it thinking it was true?

If she was an honest person, she would have checked it out before she posted it. It was very easy to find out that it was a total lie.

You've already posted where it wasn't true, what is your reason for hounding her? Is it just a comfortable place to display your dislike for Christians or FH?

Because she still defends the post. Her response was that it's not important if it's true or not. Do you agree with that?
 

Red Robin

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Disagreeable said:
Faster horses said:
I didn't write it, I just posted it. Big difference.

My daughter isn't running for public office. Big difference.

You and me. Big difference.

Then you defended by saying it didn't matter if it was true or not. Do you know what that says about you? Did you have a reputation at all before this?
You know Dis, I think the majority of the board would trust her any day over you. Just put up a poll and ask them.
Disagreeable said:
There's certainly a big difference between you and me. I don't lie or defend others when they lie. You do.
You might not lie but you sure take liberties with the truth. You twist and turn the discussion till no one recognizes it. You set up straw men then tear them down. You try to establish mantras like FH is a liar . Your trouble is Dis, you just don't give enough credit to people that read the posts. We see you for how you are. We also like FH and her reputation wouldn't be related to this board in any way (although it's still very much in tact). You see Dis, the rest of us have real friends in real places . They know the real people , not our psudonames. I wonder if X told us who you were ,and we called your neighbors just what kind of things they would say about you. You might be ok in real life but with a screen name and with your identity secret you can sure be a very unlikeable person.
 

Hanta Yo

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I hate to poke my nose in, but I can't resist. DISAGREEABLE fits this person nicely. I also figured out on my own how DIS may be female. Ever heard a man call something "silly"? Unleth heth tho thilly himthelf he can't help himthelf. :shock:

People who are disagreeable on this board are not taken too kindly. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, I have mine, but I will not "hang out" in Political Bull or Bull Sessions just to pick fights -OR- sit like a Black Widow spider in the corner and prey upon those who care to disagree with disagreeable people.

My piece said, I will stay in the other forums unless I have something political to share that is pretty important. I will then post it, if you like it, fine. If you don't FINE. I don't feel I have to defend every word I write on this forum.

This IS a free country, however, the freedoms people use are out of control and abusive to our American ROOTS.

"Nuff said
 

MsSage

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I will start out saying Hillary has always conducted herself in backrooms and will the veil of inappropriateness surrounding her. She is a master gameplayer and will stop nothing short to get what she wants.
BUT I will also say that if you want to fight the veil of inappropriatness you HAVE to be above board and honest at all costs. You can not spread half truths of rumors.
YES we have to stand up and speak the truth....I have seen where the lack of an comment to someone doing an unjust has given them more power.
We have to get the truth out but also have to make sure we have all the facts and make sure we treat them with all the kindness we say we have.
Too many pass on half truths and rumors as fact and some of us sit back and ignore it. It is HARD being a "christian" you have to live in a glass house.
Yes I will admit Hillay scares me to death..but I have to remember that good wins out in the end and yes it is only politics but it is principality we are fighting.
 

Red Robin

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MsSage, Did you notice after she found out the email article wasn't true , she never said it was. She actually only went on to criticise Hilliary. Dis had already said the article was untrue. Dis is just using this thread by twisting it into FH is a liar. It's not about Hilliary's honor. The truth was already exposed by Dis saying and showing it wasn't true. Have any of us ever been guilty of a mistake? It's easy to accidentally post something that is untrue. Here was FH's response to Dis about the email:

Faster horses said:
Whether what I posted was right or not, YOURS affiliated Hillary with the ACLU and that is just as bad.

So readers, now you know there is a connection between the smartest woman in the world and the ACLU.

Hope that makes you all warm and fuzzy feelin', Dis.

OH, and Dis...where there's smoke there's fire. :?
It sure reads to me like she is saying even if her article wasn't true, Hilliary's affiliation with the ACLU is as bad as defending the black panthers. I guess I agree. She never said it doesn't matter if the article is true. That is Dis's attempt to make her look bad and swat at the Christians on this board in the process. Though FH seems nice enough to be one, I've never seen a post by her saying she was Christian. She certainly hasn't been flaunting it IMO. It's just a tool for Dis to use to make Christians look bad and FH look like a liar. Go read the thread with an open mind and see if you don't agree.
 

Red Robin

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Lets look at this for example and see if this is an honest statement:

Disagreeable said:
I guess you go to the same church as FS? Where apparently they teach you it's ok to lie, as long is it supports your views? She posted something that she knows is not true, now she says it doesn't matter if it's true or not! The truth isn't important! So sad that a good Christian is reduced to such a low level in supprort of this President. You should be ashamed.

Of course she knows ranchwife and faster horses don't go to the same church, she's only being sarcastic, that's fine by me . I'm sarcastic alot as well.

"Where they apparently teach it's ok to lie. "
I think that is approaching an untruth. She is sure stretching it here that any church , much less the one FH might go to is teaching something that absurd

"She posted something she knows is not true"
She now knows it's not true but she didn't when she posted it. Technically a true statement by Dis though misleading.

"Now she says it doesn't matter if it's true or not"
FH didn't say anything of the sort. It's easy to go read.

"So sad that a Christian is reduced to such a low level in support of this president."
That is a complete lie and an attack on the president and fh.
 

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