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I guess this is one way to go about it(Kenyan BC)

hypocritexposer

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If you can't get access to Obama's BC to confirm it's authenticity, why not get the courts to take a look at this Kenyan BC and say it is bogus or a forgery.

The courts should be concerned with documents that could possibly be forgeries of Obama's history, and validate them one way or another. If this is a forgery in anyway, Taitz and Keyes should be disbarred and have to give up their sources, so they can be punished in a court of law, don't you think?

It sure looks authentic, as real as the one presented on the web of Obama's Hawaiian COLB.

It's got the seal, official emblem etc.

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hypocritexposer

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When you increase the size, you can see this one looks to be typed. Should be pretty easy to discern the make and model of typewriter that the font came from. If it it recent, then it's probably a fake.

Should the courts take a look at this, or just ignore it?

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Lonecowboy

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hypo-
if a person has dual citizenships then is it also possible to have dual birth documents??
Maybe they are both real??

This one says where he was born, the Hawaii COLB doesn't.
Hawaii issued COLB's to foreign born children.
maybe this is a real document!!

I hope it gets to court and gets a full investigation.
although if we expect truth to come out in court we are dreaming.
 

hypocritexposer

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I'll see if I can find out anything about the history of the people mentioned as witnesses or officials.

That would be the first step, I guess. Witnesses present and able to verify.

None have come forward concerning the Hawaii birth claim.

this part of the BC mentions the book and page of the "registry", should be fairly simple to verify that, if it still exists.

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hypocritexposer

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Lonecowboy said:
hypo-
if a person has dual citizenships then is it also possible to have dual birth documents??
Maybe they are both real??

This one says where he was born, the Hawaii COLB doesn't.
Hawaii issued COLB's to foreign born children.
maybe this is a real document!!

I hope it gets to court and gets a full investigation.
although if we expect truth to come out in court we are dreaming.

It warrants a look for sure. It might still be a fake. But shouldn't it be validated?

Anybody that says it shouldn't, does not believe much in the "rule of law"

There are too many inconsistencies, unsubstantiated claims and "undefined" terms etc in this whole mess that need to be addressed.

I don't believe this will go away until they are. the poll Badaxe posted the other day, if it is valid, claimed 12% of the population are "birthers", will this document increase that poll number or decrease it?

Even anti-birthers should be asking for the validation of this BC.

The BC Mike posted last week was quickly determined to be a fake, was it to throw people off the scent of this one?

Alice likes to claim that I follow Taitz, well that is not true. She does not very often present enough evidence to back up her claims.

That is why I have been following the Natural Born Citizen cases more closely, because there is evidence to back up the claims of the Natural Born Citizen definition that has been understood for 200+ years.

But now, it looks like Taitz does have some evidence that warrants a look at some of her claims and cases.

Supposedly the person that forwarded this to her, is fearing for his life. Understandably.

The timing of this is suspicious also. If this is from US domestic intelligence agency, is it not interesting that it was released when Congress and Obama are playing in the playground (recess)

Does Hillary know something the rest don't?
 

hypocritexposer

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Would this be covered under Hillary's official duties? Probably, but does she know something about it and it's presentment to Taitz?

Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."

Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth – both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained – be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].

"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
 

hypocritexposer

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I'm as sceptical about this BC as I am about the COLBs posted online.

One thing that struck me, was the date of issue of this BC. last picture shows a date of "17th day of Feb, 1964"

So why was it issued almost 4 years after the birth?

To figure that out, we would need to see what was happening at that time in history. And the possible reasons for having one issued.

What do you find?, a divorce. Would it be logical that a lawyer/court in divorce proceedings would ask for proof of parentage at that time, for child support reasons etc? I think it would.

so here are the divorce papers.

Ann Dunham, filed for divorce on Jan 20, 1964

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The divorce was granted on March 5, 1964

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So it is possible for the dates to match up to known history. Dunham may have needed a copy of the Kenyan BC for the Divorce proceedings, the date of issue falls in the middle of those proceedings.

and could this information have been gleaned from records available on the web, to put together a forgery, of course.

But here's another interesting tidbit.

Vital Stats at the time of Obama's birth in Kenya, would have been forwarded to England. So there may be an additional source to vwerify the info. on this BC.

Here's a dinger of a thought. Could have Dunham's Divorce lawyer at the time advised her that she could obtain a Hawaiian BC, through the Delayed registration process?
 

Mike

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Could have Dunham's Divorce lawyer at the time advised her that she could obtain a Hawaiian BC, through the Delayed registration process?

You mean at the time of the divorce he advised her? I thought that the Hawaiian BC had to applied for within one year of the birth if born in a foreign nation?

Why would he have a Kenyan BC? Was Barack Sr. just wanting his son to be registered there?

If the Orly document turns out to fake, then there will be no chance of redemption. Not even for the "Natural Born" clause.

The present "birthers" could learn a trick or two from the "Original John McCain Birthers", by keeping it quiet until settled.

Course they had the MSM and the Senate on their side.

How did his birthplace hospital change again?
 

hypocritexposer

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Mike said:
Could have Dunham's Divorce lawyer at the time advised her that she could obtain a Hawaiian BC, through the Delayed registration process?

You mean at the time of the divorce he advised her? I thought that the Hawaiian BC had to applied for within one year of the birth if born in a foreign nation?

Why would he have a Kenyan BC? Was Barack Sr. just wanting his son to be registered there?

If the Orly document turns out to fake, then there will be no chance of redemption. Not even for the "Natural Born" clause.

The present "birthers" could learn a trick or two from the "Original John McCain Birthers", by keeping it quiet until settled.

Course they had the MSM and the Senate on their side.

How did his birthplace hospital change again?

I agree with you there Mike. They might have shown their cards to soon.

But on the other hand, this may be the smoking gun also, that they need the public to get behind and force the issue of discovery and investigation.

Her lawyer advising her was just a thought. here's another one.

When Obama was left to live with his Grandparents, did they adopt him? Would that trigger an amendment to any vital records on file in Hawaii and force them to be "sealed"

Aren't most adoption records "sealed"?

If this is a forgery, who did it, who is to gain from it? What are they trying to gain? Questions that need to be answered.

and ones everyone should want the answer to, not just birthers, but anti-birthers also. I'll even suggest the question the anti-birthers should be asking....

Who's trying to bring down the legitimate President of the US?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Reader, don't forget to try to find an article to discount this.

Not reader here but why would Obamas father and the E. F. Lavenders name be typed in where the document ask for a signature. I think that I would question that.
 

Yanuck

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hurleyjd said:
hypocritexposer said:
Reader, don't forget to try to find an article to discount this.

Not reader here but why would Obamas father and the E. F. Lavenders name be typed in where the document ask for a signature. I think that I would question that.

Hurley because its a copy, on my daughters certs, my name is typed also where its say signature.
 

alice

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Yanuck said:
hurleyjd said:
hypocritexposer said:
Reader, don't forget to try to find an article to discount this.

Not reader here but why would Obamas father and the E. F. Lavenders name be typed in where the document ask for a signature. I think that I would question that.

Hurley because its a copy, on my daughters certs, my name is typed also where its say signature.

If it's a copy, from a copy machine, wouldn't it have the signature...

I don't doubt for a minute what you are saying, Yanuck...but were it me, I would question why a "copy" would not be "copied" from the original.

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

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hurleyjd said:
hypocritexposer said:
Reader, don't forget to try to find an article to discount this.

Not reader here but why would Obamas father and the E. F. Lavenders name be typed in where the document ask for a signature. I think that I would question that.

good catch Hurley, a question that should be asked.

Alice, why would you not question seeing the original signatures on Obama's BC?

I don't doubt for a minute what you are saying, Yanuck...but were it me, I would question why a "copy" would not be "copied" from the original.

if you are going to question one, don't you need to question both?
 

Yanuck

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alice said:
Yanuck said:
hurleyjd said:
Not reader here but why would Obamas father and the E. F. Lavenders name be typed in where the document ask for a signature. I think that I would question that.

Hurley because its a copy, on my daughters certs, my name is typed also where its say signature.

If it's a copy, from a copy machine, wouldn't it have the signature...

I don't doubt for a minute what you are saying, Yanuck...but were it me, I would question why a "copy" would not be "copied" from the original.

Alice

When you have a baby, you fill out the forms to have the birth registered in the State/Province they are born in, when you get the certificate back its all typed out, its not in your handwriting/printing. I don't know why they type the name in, instead of having you sign it when you receive it, I looked at the girls certs, and the 2 from NE my name is typed in the at spot, and the one from ID doesn't have that on it. I question the raised seal or lack thereof on Mr. Obama's cert more than anything as to whether its real or not, it just looks phony
 

MsSage

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When Obama was left to live with his Grandparents, did they adopt him? Would that trigger an amendment to any vital records on file in Hawaii and force them to be "sealed"

Aren't most adoption records "sealed"?

In nearly all States, adoption records are sealed and
withheld from public inspection after the adoption.
 

fff

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Oh, NO. You've found the truth. What will happen now? Will our country go up in flames? Will there be civil unrest? Will there be riots in the street? Will the secret police come to your door and take your guns? Will all the old people be poisoned? Will John McCain be president? Or, better yet, Sarah Palin?

Shocking, shocking, I say.

One little problem: Kenya wasn't the "Republic of Kenya" at the time this birth certificate was "issued".

Well, one more: It was "issued" on a Saturday. They don't operate government offices on Saturdays.

What the heck, one more: The name of the hospital is wrong.

Oh, and the number: 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.

EF Lavender is a popular laundry detergent.

Then: his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

And (yawn): it was called the "Central Nyanza District," not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.

But I'm sure the "birthers" won't let these facts slow them down. In fact, they'll likely learn from them and try again maybe tomorrow. I love what you guys are doing to the Republican Party/Conservative movement. :lol: :lol:
 

hopalong

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fff said:
Oh, NO. You've found the truth. What will happen now? Will our country go up in flames? Will there be civil unrest? Will there be riots in the street? Will the secret police come to your door and take your guns? Will all the old people be poisoned? Will John McCain be president? Or, better yet, Sarah Palin?

Shocking, shocking, I say.

One little problem: Kenya wasn't the "Republic of Kenya" at the time this birth certificate was "issued".

Well, one more: It was "issued" on a Saturday. They don't operate government offices on Saturdays.

What the heck, one more: The name of the hospital is wrong.

Oh, and the number: 47O44-- 47 is Obama's age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44--he is the 44th president.

EF Lavender is a popular laundry detergent.

Then: his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.

And (yawn): it was called the "Central Nyanza District," not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.

But I'm sure the "birthers" won't let these facts slow them down. In fact, they'll likely learn from them and try again maybe tomorrow. I love what you guys are doing to the Republican Party/Conservative movement. :lol: :lol:

And we love the way the missiah is slowly turning more and more people agains him, Kinda like the was CAB is losing ground because of over zealous people like you frankie that lock threads when you are shown to be wrong :wink: :wink: :wink:
 
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