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I just don't get it...

Sandhusker

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Roper, "Its the producer who will end up paying the bill for bse testing."

I disagree. Are producers paying the bill for organic and "natural" beef?
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
Mike, "Just open the rules and let the market decide. Simple."

AMEN! Nobody HAS to test! Nobody HAS to buy tested beef! If this testing issue was over mandatory testing, you would have an arguement, but NOBODY HAS to do anything!

But, but, but. The USDA has said that if one company tests beef, that untested beef would have be implied as unsafe.

That's their whole argument in a nutshell!

Wonder who they are protecting?
 

Sandhusker

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Mike said:
Sandhusker said:
Mike, "Just open the rules and let the market decide. Simple."

AMEN! Nobody HAS to test! Nobody HAS to buy tested beef! If this testing issue was over mandatory testing, you would have an arguement, but NOBODY HAS to do anything!

But, but, but. The USDA has said that if one company tests beef, that untested beef would have be implied as unsafe.

That's their whole argument in a nutshell!

Wonder who they are protecting?

And that's the most rediculous arguement I've ever heard. What does allowing organic imply about nonorganic? What does "natural" imply about "non-natural". What about Certified Angus? Doesn't that imply that non-Angus beef just isn't up to snuff?

Those sellouts made the decision to block testing and now they're scrambling for reasons to justify their actions - and they have nothing that makes sense.
 

Mike

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Murgen said:
Mike, do you really think that the big packers would not test if Creekstone was?

Sure they would if they could make it pencil!

Did you even read the post I put up about Cargill in Australia?

Why would they test if they don't have to!!

For your information, Creekstone don't have a plant in Canada or Australia.

They can't ship to Japan at all, while Cargill is shipping everyday. Probably Tyson too!
 

RoperAB

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Sandhusker said:
Roper, "Its the producer who will end up paying the bill for bse testing."

I disagree. Are producers paying the bill for organic and "natural" beef?

Well with the ID system during the initial stages if your animals have the ID you will get the normal price but if your animals are not IDed you wont get as much.
They claim to pay a premium for IDed animals but the reality is they were just paying the regular price. Or atleast this is what all the producers that I know claimed.
Seems like beef only sells for so much regardless of the producers costs.
I have to go. Talk to you later :)
 

Murgen

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You want to know why Cargill ain't interested in shipping to Japan from the USA?

Read the article Mike. Makes you wonder why North America would chase these jobs away, doesn't it?

What does the Australian producer get paid for his cattle?

I guess that's why Australian exports to the US have increased so dramatically in the last couple of years too, eh?

We'll have to "sick" Econ on them,to beg them to come back to the US! :D :D
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
You want to know why Cargill ain't interested in shipping to Japan from the USA?

Read the article Mike. Makes you wonder why North America would chase these jobs away, doesn't it?

What does the Australian producer get paid for his cattle?

I guess that's why Australian exports to the US have increased so dramatically in the last couple of years too, eh?

We'll have to "sick" Econ on them,to beg them to come back to the US! :D :D

Tyson and Cargill aren't leaving the US in any way, shape, or form. Have you guys ever noticed what generally happens after mergers and buyouts? There are generally lay-offs and repostioning. One of the economies of scale of being larger is that fewer people are needed. All they're doing is positioning themselves so they can move beef from whereever on the globe it is cheaper to where the money is.
 

Murgen

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One of the economies of scale of being larger is that fewer people are needed. All they're doing is positioning themselves so they can move beef from whereever on the globe it is cheaper to where the money is.

Or what product is needed. But we don't want to get you started on lean trimmings again. :D
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
Murgen said:
You want to know why Cargill ain't interested in shipping to Japan from the USA?

Read the article Mike. Makes you wonder why North America would chase these jobs away, doesn't it?

What does the Australian producer get paid for his cattle?

I guess that's why Australian exports to the US have increased so dramatically in the last couple of years too, eh?

We'll have to "sick" Econ on them,to beg them to come back to the US! :D :D

Tyson and Cargill aren't leaving the US in any way, shape, or form. Have you guys ever noticed what generally happens after mergers and buyouts? There are generally lay-offs and repostioning. One of the economies of scale of being larger is that fewer people are needed. All they're doing is positioning themselves so they can move beef from whereever on the globe it is cheaper to where the money is.

That's a very sinister outlook you have on Corporate America the Sandy.

Do you REALLY think that Cargill and Tyson are out for more PROFIT? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

RoperAB

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Murgen said:
I find it funny that a small group is all for "give the consumer what they want"

But when it has been shown time and again, the consumer wants beef to be traceable right back to the farm, what you get in response is "COOL" is good enough.

Under 21 months in Canada means you have to have records right back to the farm. (read my post on JAS) That's why they take our beef, not because it is tested. It's a level of trust.

South Korea is asking for the same, TRACEabilty. How will you distinguish the American from the Canadian, you need records right back to the farm/ranch. Watch, when/if you were to give into the request, there will be further requests of individual animal traceabi?

Murgen lots on here were hollering for weeks that Korea would not take American beef because of Canadian beef. But yet yesterday I started a thread on here that nobody wanted to talk about.It was an article from a Korean newspaper that stated that they were not taking American beef because the USDA mislead them and tried to hide information from them about the Alabama cow.
Its the same thing really with Japan. There taking Canadian beef and they dont need it tested. Why? Well in my oppinion because they like Canadians and they trust us. But yet they wont take American beef.
If a nation doesnt like or trust another nation they can always find an excuse not to trade with them.
 

Sandhusker

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Roper, "If a nation doesnt like or trust another nation they can always find an excuse not to trade with them."

Yep. All these agreements don't mean squat if the basics aren't there.
 

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