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cert

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I recentally photographed a wedding. I was an outdoor wedding at a city park gazebo and they used a "rent a minister" kinda deal. What they did was flip thru the yellow pages to find someone to officiate the wedding and make it legal like.

Anyhow, I was told before the ceremony that there was an irate grandfather who was not happy with the location or the miniser and he may make a scene durning the wedding. I was asked to pay him no mind.

Come to find out he was upset with the fact that his grand daughter's wedding was not in a church and really upset that the minister was a woman.
He actually stood up and objected to the union of the man and woman. :shock:

His reasoning was that the marriage was starting in sin because of the woman minister. He quoted scripture fron Corinthians and Titus.
I went home and read a bit.

After my reading, I was wondering how many of you folk might agree with the grandfather.
 

Jinglebob

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I am catholic, so it wouldn't ever happen to me. Those of other religions have women pastors and I guess if that is what they want, it's sure ok with me. I guess if my children were married in another church by a woman pastor, I wouldn't have a problem, with the pastor, anyway. :wink:
 

Mrs.Greg

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I just wonder why they invited Grampa when they knew he was going to do that??Guess they love the miserable cuss :p Our niece was married by a lady minister,I really don't see a problam,faith is faith!They could have been married by a lady J.P..that would have got to gramps!
 

jigs

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I have a problem with female ministers..... it just don't feel right to me. they don't hold the same "grip" on a congregation......

but then again I am not 100% sold on the whole idea of organized religion.....
the vast majority of Sunday hippocrites have ruined it for me.

hard to love thy neighbor on Sunday and screw him on Monday and still be holding your head up high as a church deacon. those types just really burn my toast!
 

theHiredMansWife

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jigs said:
I have a problem with female ministers..... it just don't feel right to me. they don't hold the same "grip" on a congregation......

You never met Pastor Donna.
An English teacher in her earlier life, she used the same tricks in church she had in high school to maintain interest and attention. :wink:
 

fedup2

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This thread kinda reminds me of an old story.
Seems one Sunday the church was full and services were about to start. All of a sudden there was a terrible stench and hissing sound & the devil jumped up in the middle of the altar. People were screaming and running for the doors in pure panic. All except this 85 year old man who just sat there with his hands resting on his cane watching all of this.
The devil jumped in front of him and yelled “Don’t you know who I am?”
The old guy calmly said “Yep, I know who you are.”
The devil said “Don’t you know what I could do to you? I could make your life pain & agony! I could make you miserable for the rest of your days!”
The elderly gentleman said “Yep, I know that.”
The devil said “If you know that, why aren’t you afraid of me?”
The old guy calmly said “Cause I’ve been married to your sister for over 50 years!” :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

MsSage

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Too many people forget that during Timothy & the time of the Corinthianan church women led the mystery religions which included sex orgies. The letters Paul was writting he was cautioning women not to speak publicly with the idea of making an appeal on the basis of sex. Paul says women are to pray in public, he was telling them how to pray.
Churchs miss something when they will not use the talent of thier women. God can and WILL use them in His work. The confusion that exists about this rather practical issue has been brought about by a misunderstanding of these passages of Scriptures and also by an unfamiliarity with the Roman world of Pauls day.
Lets establish first that God has used women. In the Bible we see Deborah, Queen Ester,Ruth and others. In church history, we find women like Mary Fletcher and Priscilla Gurney. There are multitudes of others whom God has used in a wonderful way.
However, in the Roman world the female principle was a part of all the heathen religions, and womne occpied a prominent place. The worship of Aphrodite at Corinth was probably one of the most immoral in which prostitution was actually made into a religion. The thousand vestal virgins who were in the temple of Aphrodite on top of the Acropolis there at Corinth were nothing in the world but prostitutes. They were characterized by very disheveled hair. The resdon God said that a woman should cover her head was so she would not be associated at all with religions like this. Also, in Ephesus where Timothy was at this time, women occupied a very prominent postion in the worship at the temple of Diana. In all the mystery religions there were priestesses. It is because of these heathen practices that Paul is emphasizing in thes passages that the matter of sex is not to enter into the public prayer in the services of the Christian churches.
Dont ever say women brought sin into the world, unless you are prepared to add women also brought the Savior into the world.
We need to approach these passages with these factors in mind.
 

jigs

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listen, it may be the typical man reply, but it boosts my self esteem.

in reality, I would not want to be in an orgy....I can't satisfy the gal I got, so why compound the problem???

my buddy asked me once if I would like to be with 2 gals at once, I told him I would cry myself to sleep after having them both sigh and say "is that it?"
 

Maple Leaf Angus

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MsSage said:
Too many people forget that during Timothy & the time of the Corinthianan church women led the mystery religions which included sex orgies. The letters Paul was writting he was cautioning women not to speak publicly with the idea of making an appeal on the basis of sex. Paul says women are to pray in public, he was telling them how to pray.
Churchs miss something when they will not use the talent of thier women. God can and WILL use them in His work. The confusion that exists about this rather practical issue has been brought about by a misunderstanding of these passages of Scriptures and also by an unfamiliarity with the Roman world of Pauls day.
Lets establish first that God has used women. In the Bible we see Deborah, Queen Ester,Ruth and others. In church history, we find women like Mary Fletcher and Priscilla Gurney. There are multitudes of others whom God has used in a wonderful way.
However, in the Roman world the female principle was a part of all the heathen religions, and womne occpied a prominent place. The worship of Aphrodite at Corinth was probably one of the most immoral in which prostitution was actually made into a religion. The thousand vestal virgins who were in the temple of Aphrodite on top of the Acropolis there at Corinth were nothing in the world but prostitutes. They were characterized by very disheveled hair. The resdon God said that a woman should cover her head was so she would not be associated at all with religions like this. Also, in Ephesus where Timothy was at this time, women occupied a very prominent postion in the worship at the temple of Diana. In all the mystery religions there were priestesses. It is because of these heathen practices that Paul is emphasizing in thes passages that the matter of sex is not to enter into the public prayer in the services of the Christian churches.
Dont ever say women brought sin into the world, unless you are prepared to add women also brought the Savior into the world.
We need to approach these passages with these factors in mind.


MsSage, I commend you for doing your homework on this subject. I was rasied in a culture that taught that woman were to be quiet and submissive, rather like second class citizens. The head covering was required by all church members. Paul's teaching was taken at face value instead of understanding what it meant in its context.

Thank God, I left that organization some years ago. But it saddens me to know what a negative impact that culture has had in my family, as not all in my house see Paul's teaching for what it was. It is a real struggle at times.

Those cultures that teach that way of thinking are guilty of diminishing the real value of women and frequently even reduce their femininty into something to be ashamed of. On the other hand, I think that paul's (and others) teaching tells us that it is not something that should be exploited either, by the woman or the man.

Sure, there are lots of people in church who don't walk the talk, but never forget that we are all responsible for ourselves before God, not someone else. Some wise soul said that if you want to hide behind a hypocrite, you have to be smaller than he is.
 

cert

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Maple Leaf Angus said:
I was rasied in a culture that taught that woman were to be quiet and submissive, rather like second class citizens.

I believe that there is a difference between quiet and submissive and second class.
 

Red Robin

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cert said:
Maple Leaf Angus said:
I was rasied in a culture that taught that woman were to be quiet and submissive, rather like second class citizens.

I believe that there is a difference between quiet and submissive and second class.
I'm with Cert here. The bravest, boldist women that I know , the ones I admire the most, are quiet and submissive. They are also women of conviction that through their quiet but resolved undertone set the path for the whole family.
 
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