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Texan

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...I'll post it again here for those of you that don't read PB.

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Small Texas school district lets teachers, staff pack pistols

By MARK [email protected]

When classes start Aug. 25 in the tiny Harrold school district, there will be one distinct difference from years prior: Some of the teachers may have guns.

To deter and protect against school shootings, trustees have altered district policy to allow employees to carry concealed weapons if they have a state permit and permission from the administration. The 110-student district lies 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth on the eastern end of Wilbarger County, near the Oklahoma border.

More than a dozen state legislatures have considered making it legal to carry guns on college campuses, but experts and officials contacted by the Star-Telegram say the move is unheard of in elementary or secondary schools.

Superintendent David Thweatt said a main concern was that the small community is a 30-minute drive from the sheriff’s office, leaving students and teachers without protection.

'To be prepared’

The district’s lone campus sits 500 feet from heavily trafficked U.S. 287, which could make it a target, Thweatt said.

Other security measures are in place, including one-way access to enter the school, state-of-the-art surveillance cameras and electric locks on doors. But after the Virginia Tech massacre and the Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania, Thweatt felt he had to take further action, he said.

"When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that’s when all of these shootings started," Thweatt said. "Why would you put it out there that a group of people can’t defend themselves? That’s like saying 'sic ’em’ to a dog."

Texas law outlaws firearms on school campuses "unless pursuant to the written regulations or written authorization of the institution."

Thweatt did not say how many of the 50 or so teachers and staff members will be armed this fall because he doesn’t want students or potential attackers to know. Wilbarger County Sheriff Larry Lee was out of the office Thursday and did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment.

Barbara Williams, a spokeswoman for the Texas Association of School Boards, said her organization is not aware of another district doing something similar. Ken Trump, a Cleveland-based school security expert who advises districts nationwide, including in Texas, said Harrold is the first district he knows of to take such a step.

Trump said he would have advised against allowing teachers to arm themselves, if only because of liability concerns. In the long run, it could have been cheaper and safer to hire security or off-duty police, he said. Texas school districts also have the option of forming their own police force, he noted.

"What are the rules for use of force?" Trump said. "Or how about weapons-retention training? Because they could go in to break up a fight in the cafeteria and lose their gun."

Thweatt said the district did not rush into the decision. Officials researched the policy and weighed other options for about a year before trustees voted on the policy in October.

"The naysayers think [a shooting] won’t happen here," he said. "If something were to happen here, I’d much rather be calling a parent to tell them that their child is OK because we were able to protect them."



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The gun policy:

Teachers and staffers in the Harrold school district can carry firearms beginning this fall if they:

Have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun.

Are authorized to carry by the district.

Receive training in crisis management and hostile situations.

Use ammunition that is designed to minimize the risk of ricochet in school halls.

Source: Harrold school district



http://www.star-telegram.com/189/story/834022.html
 

Mrs.Greg

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We have a teacher at our school that when mad has been known to throw desks....yup all he needs is a handgun.AND our closest RCMP station is 45 minutes away,he could take out the whole class before they arrived.... :?


Our school is locked at all times other then the front door by the office,has Texas ever considered locking the school????
 

Texan

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Mrs.Greg said:
We have a teacher at our school that when mad has been known to throw desks....yup all he needs is a handgun.AND our closest RCMP station is 45 minutes away,he could take out the whole class before they arrived.... :?
Mrs.Greg, if you have a teacher with anger management issues, that is an administrative problem.

If your RCMP station is 45 minutes away, that is just all the more reason that I would prefer having a teacher prepared to protect the kids.

But if your school puts up with crap like teachers throwing desks - if your school administrators won't deal with it - you've got a lot bigger problems than a school that wants to arm it's teachers.

If your schools won't even protect the kids from the damn teachers, how in the hell are they going to protect them from outside threats? Sounds to me like the kids up there are the ones that need to be armed.



Mrs.Greg said:
Our school is locked at all times other then the front door by the office,has Texas ever considered locking the school????
I guess you missed it:

Other security measures are in place, including one-way access to enter the school, state-of-the-art surveillance cameras and electric locks on doors.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Texan said:
Mrs.Greg said:
We have a teacher at our school that when mad has been known to throw desks....yup all he needs is a handgun.AND our closest RCMP station is 45 minutes away,he could take out the whole class before they arrived.... :?
Mrs.Greg, if you have a teacher with anger management issues, that is an administrative problem.

If your RCMP station is 45 minutes away, that is just all the more reason that I would prefer having a teacher prepared to protect the kids.

But if your school puts up with crap like teachers throwing desks - if your school administrators won't deal with it - you've got a lot bigger problems than a school that wants to arm it's teachers.

If your schools won't even protect the kids from the damn teachers, how in the hell are they going to protect them from outside threats? Sounds to me like the kids up there are the ones that need to be armed.



Mrs.Greg said:
Our school is locked at all times other then the front door by the office,has Texas ever considered locking the school????
I guess you missed it:

Other security measures are in place, including one-way access to enter the school, state-of-the-art surveillance cameras and electric locks on doors.
1.In all reality I'm not concerned at all about what Texas does in their schools.
2..Oops I did miss the locked thing but reading that scrolling printing is a chore for me
3. I prob should have just ignored this thread....pretend I did.
 

Larrry

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We have a teacher at our school that when mad has been known to throw desks....yup all he needs is a handgun.AND our closest RCMP station is 45 minutes away,he could take out the whole class before they arrived....

And you still let this guy teach, what the heck is wrong with you people.
Don't blame guns for your schools and parents irresponsibility!
 

nonothing

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First of all Texan there are probably a million more examples of teachers Flipping out then students shooting each other in schools.....If You feel that schools need guns to protect stundents from students then security gaurds should be employed...Schools and guns just do not mix....Again at what point do you tell a teacher to shoot a student?..What point is killing a kid ok by a teacher.....Does a gun have to be pointed at them first?...How must the teacher store thier pistols,in the drawers of a desk,on thier person or in their purse?.....2 kids could easliy just jump a teacher for his/her gun and take it and use it to kill another kid in the school they dislike.....

Also when a person is angry they are said to only use no more then 30% of their normal brain capacity...So yes bad decisions can be made in a fit of anger...You say the answer is anger management,then why is that not also your answer instead gun touting...

The mere suggesting by an adult for a teacher to bring a gun into a school,is one that is made with little thought to the safty of all students and teachers... When the only way to control kids is by guns,I think the message is less about guns and more about social behavior....AS you advise others to fix the problems with angry teachers...Why the hell are you not looking for ways to keep all guns out of your childrens schools.....Your answer is just more guns.....At the very least look into armed security ..What kind of person promotes the killing of kids as the answer to teachers protection...
 

hopalong

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90% of armed securety would be no better trained that any teacher or person that is licensed to by the state for CCL so that plan falls apart quickly.
Granted the system to is not infallable but in order to get a CCl you do have to go through a more stringent background check than that of a teacher plus weapons training and classroom work. The same training that a security guard receives in order to work for most agencys.

If you look a requierment for being able to carry on campus is be LICENSED.
 

loomixguy

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nonothing said:
What kind of person promotes the killing of kids as the answer to teachers protection...

So it's OK for a student to kill a teacher? What kind of person promotes that?

Feebs like you will never understand that Tyrone, DeShawn, Panchito, Xavier, Mohammed, Abdul, Kevin, and Jeremy, any of whom could be angry, pimple faced, do-rag and baggy pants wearing morons, are far less likely to commit any school violence (cause they may or may not have been "dissed" by another student or teacher) (remember Columbine?) if they know Ms. Johnson or Mr. Suarez COULD be packing, and end up busting a cap in THEIR a$$?
 

jigs

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Damn, Loomix, if you don't just lay it out plain and simple....too bad the libs are too simple minded to grasp reality.
 

HAY MAKER

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This gun toting teacher deal, will be short lived,soon as a student gets his hands on some unsuspecting teachers gun and pops off a round or two,those mammas will be raisin hell.................good luck
 

Denny

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Some Respect should have been taught to the youth of the world at a younger age.Gun's would'nt be needed if disipline would have been instilled in today's youth.But now that the little farts are out of control shoot them like the hoodlum's they are.
 

nonothing

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Larrry said:
Yea Canada the land where you might get your head chopped off.



Incoming flak-duck


No flak..Just another dissrepecful remark from a very stupid person...Its not surprising comming from you hopalong..Stupidity is expected from you..
 

nonothing

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loomixguy said:
nonothing said:
What kind of person promotes the killing of kids as the answer to teachers protection...

So it's OK for a student to kill a teacher? What kind of person promotes that?

Feebs like you will never understand that Tyrone, DeShawn, Panchito, Xavier, Mohammed, Abdul, Kevin, and Jeremy, any of whom could be angry, pimple faced, do-rag and baggy pants wearing morons, are far less likely to commit any school violence (cause they may or may not have been "dissed" by another student or teacher) (remember Columbine?) if they know Ms. Johnson or Mr. Suarez COULD be packing, and end up busting a cap in THEIR a$$?

Or they could just gang up and beat Ms.Johnson and take her gun .pass it off to four others in the hallway and tyrone ends up shooting Kevin and Deshawn ,plus lisa the grade 6 student who walked out in the hall .....Mister Suarez went to shoot Tyrone but missed and Tyrone shoot him .......Tyrone was charged in youth court and will be released in less then five years.....All because ms.Johnson brought a gun to school......
 

Larrry

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Or they could just gang up and beat Ms.Johnson and take her gun .pass it off to four others in the hallway and tyrone ends up shooting Kevin and Deshawn ,plus lisa the grade 6 student who walked out in the hall .....Mister Suarez went to shoot Tyrone but missed and Tyrone shoot him .......Tyrone was charged in youth court and will be released in less then five years.....All because ms.Johnson brought a gun to school......
Someones being a lttle overdramatic, excuse me a lot. So do you always ignore facts about guns in the hands of people. More guns equal less crime is a proven fact yet you ignore it. Man you are a good liberal socialist.
 

nonothing

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Larrry said:
Or they could just gang up and beat Ms.Johnson and take her gun .pass it off to four others in the hallway and tyrone ends up shooting Kevin and Deshawn ,plus lisa the grade 6 student who walked out in the hall .....Mister Suarez went to shoot Tyrone but missed and Tyrone shoot him .......Tyrone was charged in youth court and will be released in less then five years.....All because ms.Johnson brought a gun to school......
Someones being a lttle overdramatic, excuse me a lot. So do you always ignore facts about guns in the hands of people. More guns equal less crime is a proven fact yet you ignore it. Man you are a good liberal socialist.


Nope just another way to look at that feeb Lomixguys posts is all....I guess your just to stupid to figure that out Hopalong...Again I am not surprised.
 
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