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After reading this how can Democrats look in a camera lens and actually say Obama should get credit for killing Osama? :?


Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been “overruled” by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider’s insights surrounding that event.

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?

A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta’s permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president’s full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president’s indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett’s office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm.

Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym “CoC” and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly.

The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission.

What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates’ office, a representative from Leon Panetta’s office, and a representative from Jim Clapper’s office.

I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States.

There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission.

Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.”

The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold.

Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants.

What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me.

The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett.*******end of report
Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1jydbfBJK
Also found on
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/06/osama-bin-laden-the-fight-over-pulling-the-trigger/

If the operation would have failed Panetta would have been the "SCAPEGOAT" but since it was a success Obama stepped in front of the cameras and took credit. Please remember this when a Dem wants to claim Obama gave the orders to kill Osama. If Obama and Jarrett had had their way Osama would still be playing hide and seek with the US.
 

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President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission.

He must've been getting beat pretty bad. :roll:
 

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ID10T can't make up his mind about going after one of the world's greatest terrorists/mass murderers, but with the snap of his fingers can decide about the XL Pipeline? Gimmeafrigginbreak!
 

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it is all about votes. Obumma never had to work, he just has to know who's ass to kiss to keep the free money rolling in....he is the biggest joke this nation has ever witnessed...
 

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The reason I posted this story was because last night on Hannity which is on FOX, they were talking about Obama campaign and one of the Liberals (that has taken over the network in an attempt to push them to the Left ) claimed Obama gave the order to kill Osama.

You can bet with Obama's record on the economy and a new poll saying 85% of small businesses want the government to get out of their way and stop with all the new EXPENSIVE regulations, we are going to hear A LOT more crowing about the Osama killing and how he ordered the hit.

There will be no mention that he was on the golf course yet again when the actions were set into play and he knew NOTHING ABOUT THEM. And there will be no mention of the fact he was against all the intell gathering BUSH'S Administration did that lead to knowing where Osama was. All we are going to hear is how Obama ordered the hit on the most hated terrorist on the face of the earth and how it was a great success due to OBAMA's brave command of the Seal Team. COUNT ON IT. :mad:

When we are not hearing about Osama we are going to be lied to about Obama being responsible for less oil having to be imported. But there will be no mention the down turn was due to the continuing failing economy under Obama and people not buy as much gas at the inflated prices because they can't afford gas and food too. There will be no mention that it is the effects of the Bush policies just now showing up that has resulted in a downward trend. OH NO it will all be because of Obama's great handling of the economy. :roll:

If you want the true picture look at the unemployment rate on the date Obama took office and what it is now. Then look at the US debt and how much Obama tacked onto it so he could create jobs. Then look at his success at actually creating jobs. Great example XL Pipeline project. 20000 to 100000 Private sector jobs gone in a snap of a finger because he needed to pad his campaign coffers with enviromentist money.

Can the US afford this job killing, golf playing, glory seeking narsissist for another 4 years?
 
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The reason I posted this story was because last night on Hannity which is on FOX, they were talking about Obama campaign and one of the Liberals (that has taken over the network in an attempt to push them to the Left ) claimed Obama gave the order to kill Osama.

You can bet with Obama's record on the economy and a new poll saying 85% of small businesses want the government to get out of their way and stop with all the new EXPENSIVE regulations, we are going to hear A LOT more crowing about the Osama killing and how he ordered the hit.

There will be no mention that he was on the golf course yet again when the actions were set into play and he knew NOTHING ABOUT THEM. And there will be no mention of the fact he was against all the intell gathering BUSH'S Administration did that lead to knowing where Osama was. All we are going to hear is how Obama ordered the hit on the most hated terrorist on the face of the earth and how it was a great success due to OBAMA's brave command of the Seal Team. COUNT ON IT. :mad:

When we are not hearing about Osama we are going to be lied to about Obama being responsible for less oil having to be imported. But there will be no mention the down turn was due to the continuing failing economy under Obama and people not buy as much gas at the inflated prices because they can't afford gas and food too. There will be no mention that it is the effects of the Bush policies just now showing up that has resulted in a downward trend. OH NO it will all be because of Obama's great handling of the economy. :roll:

If you want the true picture look at the unemployment rate on the date Obama took office and what it is now. Then look at the US debt and how much Obama tacked onto it so he could create jobs. Then look at his success at actually creating jobs. Great example XL Pipeline project. 20000 to 100000 Private sector jobs gone in a snap of a finger because he needed to pad his campaign coffers with enviromentist money.

Can the US afford this job killing, golf playing, glory seeking narsissist for another 4 years?


Yes we can.
 

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Bullhauler said:
I think tam needs to go on a terrorist watch list. What with being on a first name basis with a terrorist and all.

That is like you should go on a cattleman's list, having a name like bullhauler and all
 

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Bullhauler said:
I think tam needs to go on a terrorist watch list. What with being on a first name basis with a terrorist and all.

Gee here I thought his first name was Barak or Barry depending on what phase of his life he was in. That said nice to see you admit he is a terrorist, that is a step in the right direction. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Good call Tam,,,,In bullhumpers case unless it is oldtimer that he bows nown on his knees to.
 

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Tam said:
Bullhauler said:
I think tam needs to go on a terrorist watch list. What with being on a first name basis with a terrorist and all.

Gee here I thought his first name was Barak or Barry depending on what phase of his life he was in. That said nice to see you admit he is a terrorist, that is a step in the right direction. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


At least try to come up with a decent comeback next time. That one was so lame that hopalong thought it was his work.
 

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Anything is better than the drivel you spout, get your head back in the sand where it belongs, OPPPPS oldtimer might get jealous if that happens :twisted:
 

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Bullhauler said:
Tam said:
Bullhauler said:
I think tam needs to go on a terrorist watch list. What with being on a first name basis with a terrorist and all.

Gee here I thought his first name was Barak or Barry depending on what phase of his life he was in. That said nice to see you admit he is a terrorist, that is a step in the right direction. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


At least try to come up with a decent comeback next time. That one was so lame that hopalong thought it was his work.

Bullhauler word of advise if you can't defend the Democraps for aiding Glory seeking junior senator Barak Hussain Obama in his claims he made the call to take out Mr Bin Laden then don't attack the messenger. Stand up, be a man and tell your beloved party and narsissitic leader to stop lieing to the public. Then maybe you will have something to be proud of and can take the high ground in a debate while defending them verses attacking me to distract the topic. :roll:

Is that a better comeback :wink:
 

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well he has been ball less for a long time>>>>likes to attack and hide behind his monitor screen, then make threats the same way, calling names and being vulgar,,,, guess he thinks that makes him a man!!
Way to go Tam, nice job of taking his baby bottle away friom him :D :D :D
 

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Bullhauler said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I think old Bullhauler just got"NEWT-ERD" :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least I aint married to that insufferable harpy. I bet spring can't come soon enough for you?

Which BULL you married to this week???? :wink:
 

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Bullhauler said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I think old Bullhauler just got"NEWT-ERD" :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least I aint married to that insufferable harpy. I bet spring can't come soon enough for you?

Still can't come up with anything to defend your party Bullhauler :( Don't feel bad though nobody seems to beable to, somethings and people are just plain un-defendable, sometimes it is better to just man up and admit it. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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