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jodywy

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The other was the 5 points that came from Farm Bureau and was from the meeting between gas, oil, coal, cities, utilities, WWGA, Farm Bureau, and Farmers Union that was held at the WSGA office.

Was this the meeting that committee members weren't present at? Should they have been since the bill was being discussed?

Basically the committee killed what came out of this meeting (yes some members were present at that meeting) and sent 5 points from Farm Bureau that passed on the floor of the membership.
During legislature the officers meet with legislative committee members that on the bill. We were flat out told they would not let one thing pass but they would work with the collision bill. If we tried to stand alone good bye to anything we wanted. ( local coops and utilities were pulling strings more then gas and coal).

There was a Floor Directctive passed at that December meeting by the whole membership present that said.
BE IT DIRECTED that the Officers and Executive Vice Presidents of the WSGA, WWGA are to work with all parties involved to seek, to the greatest extend practicable, possible and obtainable. Legislative solutions to strengthen the negotiation and legal position of landowners in responding to proposals that include the power of eminent domain. A priority should be placed upon assuring that “Kelo” cannot occur in Wyoming.


What got me was the group that formed to get a what we all really wanted in eminent domain , but really knew was not possible hired a former State Trout Unlimited director that been fighting Ag stand on instream flow…..
 

Sandhusker

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Q, "First you didn't need an NAIS program because you have branding. When that was shot down...."

When was that shot down? I asked for examples where brands didn't work and all that was offered were examples where brands were needed! :lol: :lol:

Why don't you guys worry about your proplems and we'll worry about ours...
 

WyomingRancher

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jodywy said:
The other was the 5 points that came from Farm Bureau and was from the meeting between gas, oil, coal, cities, utilities, WWGA, Farm Bureau, and Farmers Union that was held at the WSGA office.

Was this the meeting that committee members weren't present at? Should they have been since the bill was being discussed?

Basically the committee killed what came out of this meeting (yes some members were present at that meeting) and sent 5 points from Farm Bureau that passed on the floor of the membership.
During legislature the officers meet with legislative committee members that on the bill. We were flat out told they would not let one thing pass but they would work with the collision bill. If we tried to stand alone good bye to anything we wanted. ( local coops and utilities were pulling strings more then gas and coal).

There was a Floor Directctive passed at that December meeting by the whole membership present that said.
BE IT DIRECTED that the Officers and Executive Vice Presidents of the WSGA, WWGA are to work with all parties involved to seek, to the greatest extend practicable, possible and obtainable. Legislative solutions to strengthen the negotiation and legal position of landowners in responding to proposals that include the power of eminent domain. A priority should be placed upon assuring that “Kelo” cannot occur in Wyoming.


What got me was the group that formed to get a what we all really wanted in eminent domain , but really knew was not possible hired a former State Trout Unlimited director that been fighting Ag stand on instream flow…..

I appreciate your explanation. I wish it was an easier process to get something better accomplished.
 

QUESTION

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Yeah OT canadians do have a tracking system :roll: The fact is we have adopted CCIA EID tags and that stand alone agency, info is only avalible in case of a disease situation be it BSE or Tb or any other reportable disease not for frivalouse lawsuits involving food safety. The intent of the agency is to track a disesed animal when found back to where it all started. What is so wrong with that. Lets look at your alabama cow only one calf could be found because it was on the farm where she died her previous calf could not be traced and her original owner could not be found, where she was bred, fed or calved previously could not be found. As far as her age because of her dentation and wear she was estimated at ten to twelve but in reality could as young as eight. Our system takes the guess work out. But if you guys want to work on estimates and not know where and how diseases were aquired that is your business. Just remember that you are trying to market the the rest of the world and the day is coming when you will be required to have a tracking system. Granted ours is rudimentary compared to UK animal passport, but it does what we need it to.
Sandh adoping a similar system and agency to the CCIA would allow you to be proactive not reactive. I guess that is the way you guys think wait until the is a problem then fix it instead of being prepared. Just a question do you vaccinate for disease and prevent it and make money or wait until there is an outbreak lose some animals and lose money then say i guess i should have vaccinated. It all comes down to do you want to be leaders or followers . Setting up a system like the CCIA would allow you to dictate the terms of a tracking system before a complex convoluded expensive tracking system rammed down your throat by your government. But you seem to want to complain and be reactive and that is your perogative. :oops:
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Sandhusker said:
When was that shot down? I asked for examples where brands didn't work and all that was offered were examples where brands were needed! :lol: :lol:

Why don't you guys worry about your proplems and we'll worry about ours...

Ah, Sandhusker, I shot it down with several points that you couldn't/didn't refute.

And this is "our" problem. We're trading partners and quite frankly, I am very concerned about the US's safety protocols. I know we'll be importing problems that are being missed on the US side, and our producers have a right to know where those problems are coming from.

Rod
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Oldtimer said:
1) One of the problems they are looking at is that some will have to reconfigure and remodel their barns and rings to make the readers compatible- as the readers don't work well in all metal frame corral/ring surroundings (which many yards ring/scale combos just happen to be) and the makers of the reader equipment are actually suggesting they be replaced with high strength plastic....

2) Secondly if you have 60 head of tagged cattle in the ring- and as they go out the reader only picks up on 59- how long do you take holding up the sale to find that one- that would then have to be cut out and handread- and how much additional help will it take... :???:

1) Bullshit. OT you forget we're going through this RIGHT NOW up here. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but its bad information. The steel issue is gotten around by changing sensor locations. Very easy to do.

2) As far as the old "we'll miss one excuse", thats also horseshit. The brand inspector already has to walk through the barn checking each and every animal. He can't carry the wand with him? No extra work. On presorts, each individual is already inspected and placed into their sell pens. The reliability of the code readers is 100% when run through individually.

Besides, didn't you read my other post? Try to steer away from EID ear tags anyway. Underhide boluses such as been used with registered equine are far more reliable, cost the same, and the readers used on them have been perfected for decades. Commercial batch readers are available for as low as $200.

Like I said, instead of fighting this lies and horseshit, try and use whatever political power you have to put something in place thats WORKS WELL.

Rod
 
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Anonymous

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try and use whatever political power you have to put something in place thats WORKS WELL.

Thats what we are doing- that is the reason we want to see the costs of the entire system- and how well the entire system will work (if it can work at a cost effective rate) - before we venture down a lane that may not have an easy avenue of escape.....

I can't understand why the Canucks keep harping on US cattlemen trying to get them to take a Mandatory ID- unless the Canucks got sold a bill of goods in their rush to put in a system and are now trying to cover up their mistakes with "misery loves company"....

Seems to me that if these are such great systems, Canucks would be utilyzing the benefits- and taking away the US markets- and stuffing these huge profits that you portray will come from them into your pockets and keeping quiet about how supposedly "great" the system is (not wanting anyone to cut into your gravy train) --rather than what I actually see and hear---- the daily whining about getting back into the US system- being allowed to fraudulently promote their product as US- and sucking hind teat as you ride on the shirttails of the US cattlemen-- which you keep calling "dumb" because they don't follow your lead :???: :roll: :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
When was that shot down? I asked for examples where brands didn't work and all that was offered were examples where brands were needed! :lol: :lol:

Why don't you guys worry about your proplems and we'll worry about ours...

Ah, Sandhusker, I shot it down with several points that you couldn't/didn't refute.

And this is "our" problem. We're trading partners and quite frankly, I am very concerned about the US's safety protocols. I know we'll be importing problems that are being missed on the US side, and our producers have a right to know where those problems are coming from.

Rod

You didn't shoot anything down, Rod. You claimed there isn't enough brands available to go around. That's not a problem since nobody is advocating that everybody has to brand. Ever hear of a tattoo?
 

jodywy

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will always need brands here, Shared range, roundups. Sorting cattle by brand. Be funny trying to watch cowboys hold wands as they ride thru a herd held in a big flat where they are cutting the herd 5 differnit ways . :D
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Oldtimer said:
Seems to me that if these are such great systems, Canucks would be utilyzing the benefits-

If you honestly believe that our ID system didn't have something to do with the markets we currently have open, you need a big reality check. Without our current level of traceback we wouldn't have half the markets open that we do now (which, BTW, are displacing some US beef products).

As far as riding your coattails, perhaps you need reading lessons. The reason I want US cattle to have an adequate ID system is because I feel the Canadian producer needs protection from your sold out inadequate safety measures. I know we'll be importing problems and I believe we need to be able to track those problems back properly, versus just being able to say "Oh it was a US cow".

Sandhusker said:
You claimed there isn't enough brands available to go around. That's not a problem since nobody is advocating that everybody has to brand. Ever hear of a tattoo?

Ah, how quickly you forget the 7 points I posted a couple pages back ;) And as far as a tattoo goes, you must REALLY want to slow things down in the auction barn and on the ranch. Tatooing is very slow to do, and very slow to read.

Rod
 

QUESTION

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OT the problem is that Canada is still importing products from the US and we want a tracking system in place. Your export customer wants you to do something, so why haven't you done what that consumer wants?
What happens when we do exactly what you propose and utalize the system and gain an advatage in an export market ? The TDA does what it can to stop that. What do you guys want? Obviously to tell everyone else where and when they can export. Too bad :cry2: that is not the way the world works.
Sandh you just said branding is good enough for an Nat. ID system for tracking and now you say it isn't and make up your mind choose a course and stick with it or don't you have conviction in what you are saying :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Here you Canucks are again cussing the US product- but then in the next thread, your cussing M-COOL because you won't be able to fruadulently pass your products off as US product- and fear you'll lose money because of Canada's lost or diminished quality product identity... :roll: SHEEESSSHH :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you think our product is so bad- get it closed off from going into your country...Thats whats so bad about these trade agreements- every foreigner then thinks it gives them the right to tell the US how their country should be run....
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Oldtimer said:
Thats whats so bad about these trade agreements- every foreigner then thinks it gives them the right to tell the US how their country should be run....

:roll: Ah the last of the isolationists. And yet you think its ok for the US to dictate rules to foreign countries if we want to sell into your market. You want into the Canadian marketplace, you have to follow our rules, just the same as we have to follow yours.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Oldtimer.

Rod
 
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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Oldtimer said:
Thats whats so bad about these trade agreements- every foreigner then thinks it gives them the right to tell the US how their country should be run....

:roll: Ah the last of the isolationists. And yet you think its ok for the US to dictate rules to foreign countries if we want to sell into your market. You want into the Canadian marketplace, you have to follow our rules, just the same as we have to follow yours.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Oldtimer.

Rod

I think you got the wrong person- I've always been for give the customer what the customer wants...The reason I'm pro M-COOL, because the US customer wants to know what country their product comes from...
 

Sandhusker

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Q, "Sandh you just said branding is good enough for an Nat. ID system for tracking and now you say it isn't and make up your mind choose a course and stick with it or don't you have conviction in what you are saying."

I'll bet if a few of you get together, you can get a group rate on a reading comprehension class....
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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So I just got done reading an article about some of the new high frequency technology coming on the market. This is pretty good stuff, with dangle tags that you can write on and what amounts to a miniscule up front investment. Right now, a 5 panel commercial reader sells for $4000. This is new technology, so that price will drop.

They are 100% accurate with animals on the run and each panel covers out to 50 metres (2500 sq metres total coverage) in all environments. They can be installed on loading/unloading chutes, or in the case of larger, high capacity setups, simply setup with panels installed all over the yard that do continuous reads on all the animals in the yard.

This technology is the same kind of tech used in new metre reading setups where a van cycles through each neighborhood without stopping and simply reads the transmitted data from each house. Small hand held devices are currently available that simply strap on a man's belt or in a pack and as the man walks his route, it downloads the metre information.

So no more "cowboys with wands". Stuff a little device like a Pocket PC into your saddle bag and ride through the herd. Its not going to be tough to close within 50 metres of every animal in the herd, not if you're doing a proper job of checking anyway.

Our own CCIA is balking at the technology (of course, can't expect these guys to do anything right anymore) because of the current investment in low frequency readers, but with you guys starting from scratch, maybe you can nudge your elected reps in the proper direction...

Rod
 

rkaiser

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Yip -- I like it sandhusker. Kinda like a little guy in a big semi. Bet yer whole attitude has changed from a geek to big tough corn husker hay. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Now each time you tell me you're gonna come up and kick my butt, I'll have a different perception of what that might mean.
 

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