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Ideal news panel

dr.rammstein

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The media is always biased no matter what station you watch. Fox on the right and MSNBC and CNN on the left. I get the feeling that America craves opinionated news so they can get a semblance of where they stand. I wish there were a station that just reported facts-0 opinions. Just facts. However if you wanted the opinions, I think they should comprise a table of both liberal and conservative anchors like for instance: Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddows on the left and someone like Glenn Beck and Megan Kelly or O'Rielly on the right all at the same table. Your thoughts?
 

Mike

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The problem I see with your list is that there is only one "Newsperson" on it. Megan Kelly. The rest are simply entertainers....................
 

redrobin

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dr.rammstein said:
The media is always biased no matter what station you watch. Fox on the right and MSNBC and CNN on the left. I get the feeling that America craves opinionated news so they can get a semblance of where they stand. I wish there were a station that just reported facts-0 opinions. Just facts. However if you wanted the opinions, I think they should comprise a table of both liberal and conservative anchors like for instance: Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddows on the left and someone like Glenn Beck and Megan Kelly or O'Rielly on the right all at the same table. Your thoughts?
Fox is still biased left from my perspective and to have even a more liberal opinion as the balance is stupid.
 

hypocritexposer

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Can anyone think of why the journolisters and Dems would like to get Fox off the air? :lol:

Nielsen Delays:
Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, July 21, 2010

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,220,000 viewers
CNN – 457,000 viewers
MSNBC – 441,000 viewers
CNBC – 173,000 viewers
HLN – 277,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,356,000 viewers
CNN – 687,000 viewers
MSNBC –841,000 viewers
CNBC – 195,000 viewers
HLN – 527,000 viewers

Cable News Ratings for Tuesday, July 20, 2010

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,172,000 viewers
CNN – 414,000 viewers
MSNBC – 403,000 viewers
CNBC – 154,000 viewers
HLN – 316,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,296,000 viewers
CNN – 548,000 viewers
MSNBC –856,000 viewers
CNBC – 139,000 viewers
HLN – 516,000 viewers

Cable News Ratings for Monday, July 19, 2010

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,195,000 viewers
CNN – 384,000 viewers
MSNBC – 359,000 viewers
CNBC – 171,000 viewers
HLN – 264,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,465,000 viewers
CNN – 417,000 viewers
MSNBC –760,000 viewers
CNBC – 162,000 viewers
HLN – 451,000 viewers
 

dr.rammstein

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I see your point. All hail Fox News, but I'm just saying with both sides there we might get some semblance of the truth rather than switching between stations. Plus it would make for some good entertainment.
 

hypocritexposer

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dr.rammstein said:
I see your point. All hail Fox News, but I'm just saying with both sides there we might get some semblance of the truth rather than switching between stations. Plus it would make for some good entertainment.

Can you show us some examples of what you mean by each being biased?

Wasn't it you that claimed that it was Fox's doing on the Sherrod thing, when they did not even mention her name regarding the matter until after she was forced to resign?

Where did you hear that it was Fox that aired the video? that would be one example of biased news, I guess.
 

dr.rammstein

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I was just using those as examples. My idea for this panal is just give them the facts and have them debate it on air for a both informative and entertaining program. I'm still waiting for a station that only reports facts and skips opinions tho...
 
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Anonymous

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Fox News regularly has debates featuring liberals. Alan Combs, Bob Bechtel, Marc Lamont Hill, Juan Williams are just a few. Their primetime shows often times have democratic senators and congressmen/women. Hannity has his Great American Panel made up of a cross section of people, both celebrities and those not so famous. The strange thing that is hard for some to believe, is these people come from both sides of the aisle. Perhaps these debates featuring both sides help explain the high ratings Fox News enjoys.
 

Steve

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dr.rammstein said:
I was just using those as examples. My idea for this panal is just give them the facts and have them debate it on air for a both informative and entertaining program. I'm still waiting for a station that only reports facts and skips opinions tho...

I could offer a quick answer such as... "if you wait long enough any fad will come back",..

but I see a bit of conservatism has already seeped in... way back in the ol' days that was how news was... and most of us liked the evening news.. then over time.. the TV elites wanted to spruce it up a bit.. make it more entertaining.. boost ratings a bit... now we have informative entertainment..

entertainment news, brought to you by the left wing progressive media.. paid for by liberal elites... and you don't like it?
 

dr.rammstein

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For the most part but I get bored just agreeing so I usually switch it over to Fox for awhile. In my opinion, it is still the best place to get the conservative side of the story. They do get pretty smart people on there.
 

Tam

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This shows you just exactlly how much the young dr watches FOX or he would know that Fox has many Leftwing Democrats on their panels.


Now Just for fun let's see what some Strong Dems think of FOX :wink:

The pro-Fox Democrats

Sun Nov 1, 6:02 pm ET
Democratic pundit Bob Beckel has been under contract with Fox News for six years. And in the midst of the White House war against the cable network, some of his liberal friends think that’s six years too many.

They invited him to lunch the other day for an intervention: Why is Beckel — a true-blue Democrat who worked for Robert F. Kennedy and ran Walter Mondale’s 1984 presidential campaign — giving comfort to the enemy?

Beckel’s response: “I talk to more persuadable voters in a month than anybody on MSNBC and CNN talks to in a year.”

In the eyes of some of their party brethren, Beckel and other Democratic strategists and pundits who appear regularly on Fox News are traitors to the cause. Or at least gluttons for punishment.

And some of them feel that way, too.

“It sucks,” says Democratic direct-mail consultant Liz Chadderdon, a regular on the network. “It is very, very tough to be a Democrat on Fox.”

During an October 2007 hit on “The Factor,” Chadderdon referred to the detainees at Guantanamo Bay as “victims.” It was a verbal faux pas, and she knew it. But no sooner did she get off the air than she received a death threat — the first of a handful she says she’s received after appearing on Bill O’Reilly’s Fox show.

More recently, Chadderdon has been invited to talk business with Fox’s Neil Cavuto — on the main network and on the two-year-old Fox Business Network — even though she readily admits that she has no background in economics.

“Speaking about those issues is not my forte,” said Chadderdon. “And I’m getting the tar kicked out of me.”

So why does she keep doing it? For pretty much the same reason Willie Sutton robbed banks. Fox is where the viewers are — No. 1 in the prime-time news ratings and drawing more than twice as many viewers on weeknights as either MSNBC or CNN.

“You know how I know nobody watches CNBC?” said Chadderdon. “I compared the pope to my 11th-grade algebra teacher, and nobody sent me a letter.”

Lanny Davis, former White House counsel for Bill Clinton, says some of his fellow Democrats privately encourage him to keep appearing on Fox — even as they boycott the network themselves.

“I get very positive but whispered reinforcement,” he said.

Davis made news during last year’s Democratic presidential primaries when he said that Fox was the fairest of the cable networks in its treatment of Hillary Clinton.

And now, he insists, the claims of bias directed at Fox are overstated, at least insofar as they come from devotees of one of its competitors.

“Is there a difference between Fox and MSNBC?” he asked. “You count the number of guests on Rachel [Maddow] and Keith [Olbermann] who are conservative Republicans. If you get to double digits, I’ll buy you dinner for each one.”

Susan Estrich is perhaps the most identifiable Democratic pundit on the network. She’s been on the payroll for more than a decade, having first gotten to know Fox News President Roger Ailes when they were working on opposite sides of the 1988 presidential campaign.

Estrich says they’ve become good friends and that when she’s had beefs about the network’s coverage, management has been receptive.

“If there is something I think is not right, I pick up the phone and I call,” she said. “What I have been hopefully able to do is offer my thoughts both inside and outside.”

Estrich encouraged Democratic pollster Doug Schoen to join Fox Nation at the end of the 2004 election. Weary of the unpredictability of other networks’ schedules, he was happy to sign on — and says he’s encouraged his Democratic friends to do the same.

“They are the most professional network of any I have dealt with,” he said. “If you are a Democrat who wants to deliver mindless talking points on Fox, it’s probably best to go to MSBNC and hope you get a chance to recite them. I think Fox encourages critical views of all sides, asks different kinds of questions and wants to have diversity of view.”

Beckel believes Fox viewers are more open to the Democratic side of the story than stereotypes might suggest. And indeed, a 2008 Pew Research survey found that while almost half of viewers who regularly watch Fox News identify as Republican or Republican leaning, 39 percent tip Democratic and 12 percent have no stated angle at all.

Chadderdon is skeptical that her Fox hits do much to advance the progressive cause. But she says they’re good for business.

“The clients I have dealt with will say to me that they are impressed I have gone on [Sean] Hannity and O’Reilly,” she says.

Nevertheless, Chadderdon has been dialing it back in recent months, making polite excuses when bookers call to inquire about her availability. Plus, she has adopted a personal policy of not going on Hannity’s show after he was condescending to her on the air last summer.

“When the hit was over, I ripped off the microphone and started screaming at the producers,” Chadderdon recalls. “They ignored me and said, ‘Thanks for coming’ and hung up.”

Fox News did not respond to requests for comment for this story.

Peter Fenn knows what it’s like being the cable news version of Sisyphus — pushing the political boulder up the hill week after week. After regularly appearing on Fox for many years, Fenn says he started to pull away following the 2006 midterms. A few months prior to the elections, a “Hannity & Colmes” episode on which Fenn appeared alongside conservative pundit Ann Coulter was the mocked subject of a “Daily Show” feature called “Great Moments in Punditry as Read by Children.”

“After that, I thought this was getting ridiculous,” Fenn said. He continued to appear less frequently, until calling it quits after a show in May 2008 in which Michelle Obama’s patriotism was being served up for debate.

Beckel said he’ll persevere, even if it means taking blows from liberals who weren’t even born when he was fighting the good fight.

“There is a frustration when you are getting yelled at by people who weren’t even a gleam in their daddy’s eye when you were getting beat up by hard hats on Wall Street [while] protesting Vietnam,” he said.

He looks at the bright side.

“I get on Hannity every Monday night and say Obama is the greatest economic president since Franklin Roosevelt and watch Hannity’s jaw drop,” Beckel said. “And that is one of the great moments of my week.”

Lanny Davis said
“Is there a difference between Fox and MSNBC?” he asked. “You count the number of guests on Rachel [Maddow] and Keith [Olbermann] who are conservative Republicans. If you get to double digits, I’ll buy you dinner for each one.”



Now let's see how many Liberal Dems I can come up with that are on FOX
Marc Lamont Hill
Howard Dean
Rev Jesse Jackson
Juan Williams
Kristen Powers
Pat Cardell
Bob Beckal
Allen Colmes
Mara Liasson
Joe Trippi
Leslie Marshall
Judy Miller
Ellis Henican
Tanya Acker
Medea Benjamin
Jane Fleming,
Laura Schwartz
Al Sharpton
Robert Reich
Lanny Davis
Susan Estrich
Doug Schoen

That is 22 Dems on OReilly and Hannity on FOX dr. Can you come up with that many Conservative Republicans on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann if you can claim your dinner from Lanny Davis. :wink:

Interesting fact if you trust MSNBC to provide facts :wink:
MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
 

hypocritexposer

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“It sucks,” says Democratic direct-mail consultant Liz Chadderdon, a regular on the network. “It is very, very tough to be a Democrat on Fox.”

for some reason, liberals have difficulty dealing in facts. Just watch the interview with Howard Dean today on Fox. he was stumped by the facts, so he resorted to calling Fox, "racist"

Maybe that's why it's very difficult being a Democrat on Fox. I wouldn't want to be wishy washy on the facts when being interviewed by Megyn Kelly either.
 

dr.rammstein

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Crud and I wanted a steak dinner from him. But seriously, how funny would it be (FOR EXAMPLE ONLY!!!!) if Maddow and Olbermann took on like say Beck and O'Rielly. I think it would be a scream.
 

dr.rammstein

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I'd watch, that would be great. I'm no Howard Dean fan, I missed that interview (can rarely get downstairs to the TV) and that was cowardly. I admit tho, that I did the same thing on another thread and regret it now. I panicked
 

hypocritexposer

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dr.rammstein said:
I'd watch, that would be great. I'm no Howard Dean fan, I missed that interview (can rarely get downstairs to the TV) and that was cowardly. I admit tho, that I did the same thing on another thread and regret it now. I panicked

You must have missed the thread where I posted it. This is not the whole segment, but Dean goes on supposedly to talk about how Gingrich would make a good GOP candidate in 2012.

Fox News Sunday - The Race Card And The 2010 Elections

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SIJQoxyuVw&feature=player_embedded

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45891
 

dr.rammstein

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Let me be the first to say that not all liberals stand behind other libs. I'm not a Howard Dean fan (or Pelosi fan for that matter). I loved the "oh crap" expression on his face. No idea what he's talking about.
 

hypocritexposer

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dr.rammstein said:
Let me be the first to say that not all liberals stand behind other libs. I'm not a Howard Dean fan (or Pelosi fan for that matter). I loved the "oh crap" expression on his face. No idea what he's talking about.

The "oh crap" look was due to the fact of him not knowing the truth and just spouting party rhetoric. Somewhere along the line someone told him Fox was involved with the original airing of the tape, the same as you were misinformed about it.

I wonder how many other Dems were misled?

I sure hope you take the time to do some fact checking of what Dems. promise and say, before you vote in your first Presidential election in 2012.
 
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