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Sandhusker

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I wonder if somebody would like to search the archives for quotes from our lefty friends from a few months back. I remember several telling us how the Republican Party was dead, how they needed to expand their tent, etc.....
 

ranch hand

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http://ranchers.net/forum/about39137.html&highlight=republic+party Will let others get in on the fun. Everyone take 5 minutes and look up a post for Sandhusker.
 

hopalong

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dont know how to get the http.

I had the chance to watch David Frum on Bloomberg TV last night promoting his new book "Comeback"...Frum is a conservative journalist for many conservative publications- former GW speechwriter- and the writer that gave GW the "Axis of Evil" phrase.....

Anyway while I don't agree with all his ideas on globalism and such-- I think ole Red Robin, A+, and others who chastise my comments about the death of the Republican party should read his book....

He says the Republican party of today is almost dead in the water- and stands only the slightest chance of taking the White House - and of holding on to seats in Congress- and only if they make some major changes, fast...And he says much of the cause is because of GW's/Republican parties failure to change with the changing populace of the country...And while he blamed much of the Parties demise on GW- he also said that he thinks GW actually believed he was doing right invading Irag- and that they had WMD's (which I too believe he was sincere about back then)-- but then after being misled and outed- and misled by key advisors (Rummy ?) that this would be a 90 day war and out, with the minimum of troops, he just began sinking into a quagmire of deception and lack of transparency... He puts much of the blame of GW's failure of a Presidency (which he believes) on the neocon staff and advisors that GW surrounded himself with...He said that in talking with the President- he believes GW is disappointed in himself for taking the misguided advise that he did...

He says the Republican party for 7 years has totally deserted the middle class American-- and that has led to the protectionist and change waves that are sweeping the country...And it will take some drastic moves by the Party to get many of these Independent, former Republican and Reagan Democrats back...

Quote:
And it's also true that I am no kind of populist. My big concern at the moment is precisely that the radical rise in American economic inequality since 1980 - and the serious slowdown of midde-class income growth that has set in since 2000 - will tempt America to adopt quack economic ideas that will impoverish this country and do radical damage to the world economy.

One of the big concerns in Comeback is the relative economic decline of Europe and the possibility of similar decline in the US. Together, the major democratic nations (the US and Canada, western Europe, Japan, Australia, and the Asian allies) produced 50% of world economic output in 1985. As things are going, that group of nations - now reinforced by central Europe, South Korea, Taiwan, and Mexico) will produce only 33% of world output in 2025. That's a huge negative swing in world economic power!

If it is correct that China's economy is about half the size of the US economy today, and if it is true that China is growing at the 9% claimed by the Chinese authorities, a simple calculation can plot the convergence of the US and China. If the US grows at its current 3%, China will not catch up in this century. But if the US slows to the 2% of the 1970s - or the 1% of western Europe in the 1990s - then American hegemony will end in the lifetimes of most readers of this website.

Sustaining 3% economic growth is thus a vital national security - as well as economic - concern. My prescriptions for how to maintain the desired 3% are relentlessly orthodox: free trade, low taxes on saving and investment, lawsuit reform, transparent capital markets, etc. etc. etc.

Where I have become heterodox is that it is glaringly apparent to me that the things that need to be done to sustain America's economic greatness are not going to win many votes in middle-class America. If conservatives are to protect the US economy against the John Edwardses of this world, they have to take seriously the economic discontents of a middle that (wrongly) blames globalization for its economic woes.

My prescription for that - for raising middle-class incomes - involves universal (private-sector) health insurance, curtailment of unskilled immigration, greater subsidies to lower-middle-income saving, and tax reforms aimed at lightening the burden of the payroll tax rather than the income tax - and a bunch of other ideas that will alas cause my old colleagues at the Wall Street Journal editorial page to sputter and cough.

You can call that technocracy if you want. I call it inoculation against the distempers of the times.
http://frum.nationalreview.com/


The other major thing he mentioned that caught my Libertian ear-- was the fact that he also believes the US population as a whole is changing/has changed on many social issues such as same sex marriage- and abortion-- and that both have become more acceptable to the majority of the population - and that its an issue the Republican Party has to get off their live and die stance on-- or they will continue to die......


why is all the dead quotes brought up by oldtimer




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hypocritexposer

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fff said:
Sarah Palin has turned into a nighmare for the Republican Party. She strokes the flames of racial intolerance and fear. Shame on McCain for allowing that to go on in his name.


Besides obama, I think Palin has been the most influential in reviving the Republicans.


don said:
it's highly unlikely obama will be the best or the worst president. it's going to be tough times and nobody wuld have it easy trying to run any country these days. what he really has going for him is the total wreck that the republican party is now. every week they make themselves less of an alternative. there is no credible, constructive, coherent, long-term policy alternatives coming from the right.

don said:
are there any left in the republican party?



Oldtimer said:
No conservatives/Repubs anywhere :???: Governors are now majority Dem- House is controlled by Dems- Senate is controlled by Dems- White House is now controlled by Dems- 7 states now have no Repub representation in D.C.- majority of state legislatures now controlled by Dems....

Is it really there are no Repubs/Conservatives- or is it that right now they have no message.. :???: Or people no longer believe in their message as promised by GW Bush- but then never carried thru on :???:

To me- and those not still in DENIAL- its apparent the current Republican message is lost wandering in the wilderness- and may be there for 40 years until they can realize they can't win on warmongering, fearmongering, and with just stirring up the extremist right social issues...While many in the country are still fiscally conservative (something the Repubs let GW throw out the window :roll: ) they are moving more and more Libertarian and Liberal on many of the social issues...The old redneck stance of we don't want to associate with those kind of folks that don't look like, talk like, or think like we do is going to have to change- or the party will shrivel more..



jingo2 said:
...........the darling of the Tea Party/Rep. party.............

Rand Paul????????????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They have shoved him out of the way and under the couch!!!!

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=466271&highlight=rand+paul#466271


Raleigh, N.C. – Rand Paul has expanded his lead in the Kentucky Senate race even
further over the last week and is headed for a blowout win. His margin over Jack
Conway is 55-40.
Kentucky is obviously a conservative state. Conway's ability to win was always going to
depend on getting a lot of folks who supported John McCain in 2008 to vote Democratic
for the Senate this time around. The most amazing finding on this final poll is that Rand
Paul is actually picking up more Obama voters (15%) than Conway is McCain voters
(9%). That's the formula for a landslide.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_KY_10311025.pdf
 

Mike

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Frankie/fff wrote:
Sarah Palin has turned into a nightmare for the Republican Party. She strokes the flames of racial intolerance and fear. Shame on McCain for allowing that to go on in his name.

Racial Intolerance? Fear?

The writer of these words above could teach Christine O. a few things about witchcraft. :roll: :roll:
 

Tam

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kolanuraven
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject:

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The Rep's will pitch a biatch about this...but she's gonna be confirmed.


They might as well throw the other oar into the water...as the Rep. party is O-V-E-R!!!
 
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