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If he really wants to make "birthers" look stupid.

hypocritexposer

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...just release the actual BC.

I actually know someone that is friends with Neil Abercrombie, and spoken with him about the issue. Take a guess what he said " off record"



December 24, 2010

Los Angeles Times

By Michael A. Memoli, Washington Bureau


For Hawaii governor, discrediting anti-Obama 'birthers' is a top priority



Reporting from Honolulu — Neil Abercrombie knew Barack Obama's parents when the future president was born here in 1961, and he has been aggravated by the so-called birther movement, which alleges Obama was not born in the United States and thus should be expelled from office.

Now Abercrombie has an office of his own — he became governor of Hawaii on Dec. 6. — and he intends to do something about it.

What, exactly, is unclear. But in an interview this week at the state Capitol, he left little doubt that torpedoing the conspiracy theorists was a priority.

"What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons," said Abercrombie, 72. "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.' "

One of Abercrombie's aides said the governor is voicing the frustration of many Hawaiians who continue to be troubled by the rumors, which they see as emblematic of the view that Hawaiians are not Americans in the same way as those who live in the continental United States.

Abercrombie's Hawaiian pride may be trumping practical politics. Ample evidence has been produced to discredit the "birther" movement, so in the view of the White House, the Democratic governor's comments are reviving an issue that most people see as resolved.

Although Abercrombie's goal may be to support Obama, experts who study political extremism say the release of additional evidence would only perpetuate the conspiracy theory. They say people who embrace such theories are guided by suspicion and, therefore, view any contrary evidence as part of the conspiracy.

Abercrombie, a native of Buffalo, N.Y., arrived in 1959 to study sociology at the University of Hawaii. As a teaching assistant, he met and befriended Obama's father, a native of Kenya.

Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born in Kansas and met and married his father, also named Barack, when the two were college students in Hawaii. Obama was born at Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.

But in 2008, as Obama ran for president, critics posted allegations online, without proof, that he was born in Kenya.

That June, the Obama campaign released a certificate of live birth, an official document from the Hawaii Health Department certifying the facts of a person's birth, as proof of his birthplace. Investigations by two prominent fact-checking organizations, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org, concluded that the certificate was authentic. FactCheck also turned up a 1961 birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser marking the birth of a son to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama of Kalanianaole Hwy."

But the Hawaii birth document, dated 2007 and generated at the request of the Obama campaign, was insufficient for some of Obama's detractors. They demand the release of his original birth certificate, which in Hawaii is not a public record. Several lawsuits have been filed seeking to force Obama to disclose more information, but they have been routinely dismissed by courts.

Bills have been introduced in state legislatures that would require presidential candidates to document that they were born in this country. One was passed by the Arizona House of Representatives in April. Similar legislation was introduced in Congress in 2009 and failed to gain traction, but the attempt troubled Abercrombie.

"More than demonization — this is self-evisceration of politics," said Abercrombie, who raised the birthplace issue unprompted during the interview. "Empires fall and countries fall when that takes the place of discourse."

In Hawaii, the efforts to challenge Obama's birthplace still burden the state government with endless requests for further documentation, officials have said. Abercrombie's predecessor, Republican Linda Lingle, in May signed legislation that allowed the state to ignore repeated nuisance inquiries.

"If I were the governor, I would call a press conference, I'd pull out all the records I have and show the world he was born in Hawaii," said state Sen. Will Espero, a Democrat who sponsored that bill.

But the state has consistently held that releasing all of Obama's records would be a violation of its citizens' confidentiality, and that privacy rights should not be sacrificed to appease extreme views. Espero said he understands that stance and noted that the conspiracy theories have ebbed.

But the movement made news this month, when a former Army officer, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, was dismissed from the military and sentenced to six months in military prison after he refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he claimed Obama may be ineligible to serve as president.

"When you look at the certification of live birth … you don't find the name of the doctor, hospital or signature," said prominent "birther" Orly Taitz, a California lawyer and dentist. "We've asked to see the original one that is still sealed."

Taitz said she is willing to debate Abercrombie on national television and "let the American people decide."

An Abercrombie aide said the governor has not taken action to address the birth issue because he is focusing on his transition and preparing a budget for a state facing a deficit.

Any action by Abercrombie, who spent 19 years representing Hawaii's 1st District as one of the more liberal members of Congress, would not be his first response to the "birther" controversy.

Last year, he sponsored a congressional resolution honoring the 50th anniversary of Hawaiian statehood, which included language stating, "Whereas the 44th president of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii."

It passed unanimously.
 

Sandhusker

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He could of ended all of this long ago with the release of a single document to an independent verifier - but instead he goes to lengths to keep it hidden. That should tell everybody something.
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
He could of ended all of this long ago with the release of a single document to an independent verifier - but instead he goes to lengths to keep it hidden. That should tell everybody something.

Hiding behind the "No Standing" verdicts & arguments from the numerous judges has made him all the more suspect...........................
 

Lonecowboy

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several states have bills coming up before their upcoming legislative sessions, starting in January,to make it mandatory to prove your Constitutionally qualified for the office to get on the ballot in that state. It seems like that should be pretty easy to get past state legislatures and signed into law. Since elections are run by each individual soverign state how will obam get around that?? :???: :???:
 

hypocritexposer

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Lonecowboy said:
several states have bills coming up before their upcoming legislative sessions, starting in January,to make it mandatory to prove your Constitutionally qualified for the office to get on the ballot in that state. It seems like that should be pretty easy to get past state legislatures and signed into law. Since elections are run by each individual soverign state how will obam get around that?? :???: :???:

It will all depend on what they deem to be a Natural Born Citizen and what evidence they will accept.
 

Steve

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the memo is long, but should be required reading for every citizen..

“Concerning the production or release of an original birth certificate, it should be noted that there is no federal law, regulation, rule, guideline, or requirement that a candidate for federal office produce his or her original birth certificate, or a certified copy of the record of live birth, to any official of the United States government; nor is there a requirement for federal candidates to publicly release such personal record or documentation. Furthermore, there is no specific federal agency or office that ‘vets’ candidates for federal office as to qualifications or eligibility prior to return.”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/41131059/CRS-Congressional-Internal-Memo-What-to-Tell-Your-Constituents-Regarding-Obama-Eligibility-Questions

Ironically on Page ten of the document, the CRS bases all it's evidence on a web article from factcheck.org

and dismisses all other arguments doe to lack of proof and standing..

it also dismisses the John Jay letter as it may just be a coincidence..

Ironic when the liberal establishment bases its whole separation of church state on one letter written after the fact.. :?

am I convinced... no... I would need to see a few facts to prove the argument.. and so far the most transparent president in our history has been overly secretive on his own history...
 

Lonecowboy

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:D
me too chris me too!


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris_matthews_why_doesnt_obama_just_release_the_birth_certificate.html
 

Steve

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"“if it exists, why not put it out?”"

If... coming from a die hard supporter such as tingle Matthews.. shows it is more then just a few far rightwingnuts that have a doubt...
 

Bullhauler

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hypocritexposer said:
...just release the actual BC.

I actually know someone that is friends with Neil Abercrombie, and spoken with him about the issue. Take a guess what he said " off record"




So do tell what did he say "off the record" ?
 

hopalong

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Heck it is proven fact he has a certified B.C. you guys forget oldtimer has seen it!!!!! He tolde us he has seen it!!!!!!
THey flew it to him to verify the fact, he told us he saw it, and we know oldtimer does not lie :wink: :wink: :wink:
So what is the big deal

EH?????? Richard?????
 

jigs

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hopalong said:
Heck it is proven fact he has a certified B.C. you guys forget oldtimer has seen it!!!!! He tolde us he has seen it!!!!!!
THey flew it to him to verify the fact, he told us he saw it, and we know oldtimer does not lie :wink: :wink: :wink:
So what is the big deal

EH?????? Richard?????
his name is Richard, but he prefers dick. :wink:
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
Bullhauler said:
hypocritexposer said:
...just release the actual BC.

I actually know someone that is friends with Neil Abercrombie, and spoken with him about the issue. Take a guess what he said " off record"




So do tell what did he say "off the record" ?

You'll have to guess.

I would guess his push is to release the records to stop Obama's 2012 run.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Bullhauler said:
hypocritexposer said:
...just release the actual BC.

I actually know someone that is friends with Neil Abercrombie, and spoken with him about the issue. Take a guess what he said " off record"




So do tell what did he say "off the record" ?

You'll have to guess.

i guess he knows the truth...they have NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH HIS FOOTPRINT like every other baby born at the same time. but, they do have his footprint on the certificate from Kenya. hmmmmm
 

Steve

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shaumei said:
hypocritexposer said:
Bullhauler said:
You'll have to guess.

i guess he knows the truth...they have NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH HIS FOOTPRINT like every other baby born at the same time. but, they do have his footprint on the certificate from Kenya. hmmmmm

if you did any research or have any understanding of time lines you could clearly see that a Kenyan Birth is not likely,.. yet a Canadian birth fits his mothers travels..

BTW, her first legal Passport was issued in 1965.
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
shaumei said:
hypocritexposer said:
i guess he knows the truth...they have NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE WITH HIS FOOTPRINT like every other baby born at the same time. but, they do have his footprint on the certificate from Kenya. hmmmmm

if you did any research or have any understanding of time lines you could clearly see that a Kenyan Birth is not likely,.. yet a Canadian birth fits his mothers travels..

BTW, her first legal Passport was issued in 1965.

i know they cannot produce a legit birth certificate from hawaii. I have one on myself with my footprint. Most of you do as well I am sure. where is his? the kenyan does have a footprint on it..what about the canadian? that is easy to prove where he is from if you can get his footprint that is verified. then you have proof.
 

Steve

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shaumei said:
Steve said:

if you did any research or have any understanding of time lines you could clearly see that a Kenyan Birth is not likely,.. yet a Canadian birth fits his mothers travels..

BTW, her first legal Passport was issued in 1965.

i know they cannot produce a legit birth certificate from hawaii. I have one on myself with my footprint. Most of you do as well I am sure. where is his? the kenyan does have a footprint on it..what about the canadian? that is easy to prove where he is from if you can get his footprint that is verified. then you have proof.

I have a certified copy of my original, showing most birth information,an old-style hospital generated copy, and another from the state,..similar to the one Obama has shown, none have a foot print.. but I also had a hell of a time getting a copy to join the service, as some of the county records were destroyed,.

each state/ county and hospitals must have different rules, do they all collect foot prints?
 
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Steve said:
shaumei said:
Steve said:
if you did any research or have any understanding of time lines you could clearly see that a Kenyan Birth is not likely,.. yet a Canadian birth fits his mothers travels..

BTW, her first legal Passport was issued in 1965.

i know they cannot produce a legit birth certificate from hawaii. I have one on myself with my footprint. Most of you do as well I am sure. where is his? the kenyan does have a footprint on it..what about the canadian? that is easy to prove where he is from if you can get his footprint that is verified. then you have proof.

I have a certified copy of my original, showing most birth information,an old-style hospital generated copy, and another from the state,..similar to the one Obama has shown, none have a foot print.. but I also had a hell of a time getting a copy to join the service, as some of the county records were destroyed,.

each state/ county and hospitals must have different rules, do they all collect foot prints?

but, one with a footprint would be easy to verify if it is real...just like fingerprints...hard to fake...very hard in this case as it is a babies footprint...thus, the one put out from Kenya, which barry's grandmother says he was born there, will be easy to prove or disprove.
 
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