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If you were President.....

Mini Rancher

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CattleArmy said:
passin thru said:
So do you have a habit being afraid of law abiding citizens?

Who knows who's law abiding?

Besides if you want to carry a weapon I think anyone looking at you should know you have one.

The problem being if you let everyone carry concealed weapons that means a few wack jobs will be doing it too.

Hate to tell ya, the wack jobs are carrying, them concealed already.

the concealed carry law, just enables the law abiding citizen to level the playing field.
 

CattleArmy

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I don't want my children growing up in a society that feels they must be carrying guns to be safe.

I'm not going to support concealed weapons. Police officers that it is there job to keep people safe need to know when they encounter someone packing heat.
 

CattleArmy

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passin thru said:
So you would have no problem if I strapped a gun on or carried a rifke on my shoulder and walked down the street.

Honestly I think anyone feeling they need a gun glued to them on the street is one of the wack jobs. I think that the day that it comes that people are packing guns where ever they go is going to be a sad day and a day for a lot more innocent people being killed. To many people react on emotions and if an emotion struck with a gun right there right now God only knows what will happen. :shock:
 
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Anonymous

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CattleArmy said:
passin thru said:
So you would have no problem if I strapped a gun on or carried a rifke on my shoulder and walked down the street.

Honestly I think anyone feeling they need a gun glued to them on the street is one of the wack jobs. I think that the day that it comes that people are packing guns where ever they go is going to be a sad day and a day for a lot more innocent people being killed. To many people react on emotions and if an emotion struck with a gun right there right now God only knows what will happen. :shock:

Owning all the guns in the world do you no good unless you have one with you when you need it....
And for some reason in this world- bad folks don't tell you ahead of time when your going to need it :roll: :wink: :p

Its a good thing that young lady was packing one with her at church in Colorado- probably saved many more people from being killed or injured...
 

Goodpasture

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We do a lot of retro appraisals for companies that have repossessed houses and buildings or houses that have been abandoned. It is not unusual for vagrants, druggies, and others to take up residence in these places. Although it is our policy to back off if there is any sign of occupancy unless we have LEO with us, we make it a policy to always have some means of self defense on hand.

I am sorry CA, but it is my belief that for cops to prevent crime they must be everywhere, and I am not prepared to live in that kind of a police state. The primary duty of LEO is to apprehend criminals. It is up to the individual to prevent a crime from being committed. We do this by having locks on doors and cars, by having neighborhood watch organizations, and by being prepared to meet lethal force with an equally lethal response. Knowing that there is someone near by that is not only willing to stop a crime, but is prepared to do more than yell stop, inhibits many of the predators cruising our streets, looking for victims.
 

olderroper

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aplusmnt said:
MoGal said:
4) Taxes... Anyone making less than $150,000 year would not owe taxes. Go after companies and individuals who have parked $13 trillion in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda to prevent paying taxes. Stop dual citizenship. Then Bill and HIllary will have to decide if they want Ireland or American citizenship as well as the Bushes and their German passports.

So do these people making $149,000 have to drive dirt roads, home school their children, never use the fire department or police department? Or are you proposing that they just get a free ride in life and those making more than $150,000 pay their way for them. If so remind me to never go out and eat with you, you would most likely expect me to pay your part of the ticket.

Whats wrong with dirt roads, just stay off of em when its wet. Whats wrong with homeschooled kids, they on average are way above the public shooled kids test scores and they have better manners.
Most of us country folks are the fire dept and have equip to fight fire.
There would have to be some sort of tax, but not an income tax.
Our income tax doesnt go for our law inforcement or roads or fire dept. that comes from property tax and sales tax and volunteer donations. And since this is ranchers.net instead of city.net thats where the answers apply.
In ranch country.
 
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Anonymous

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A LITTLE GUN HISTORYb


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. >From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1 981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. < /B>
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender (involuntary buy back) 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.&nb sp; The first year results are now in: List of 7 items:



Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.



Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.



Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!



In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!



While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.



There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.



Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.



You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.



Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.



Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!



The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.



With guns, we are 'citizens'.



Without them, we are 'subjects'.




During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!.



People ask me why I carry a 45 caliber. My answer . . 'Because they don't make a 46 calibers!
 

kolanuraven

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I carry concealed & have for MANY years.

And yes, you screw around and threaten me to the point I feel I need to pull said gun ...I will shoot you ....I promise!!

No, if's, and's or but's about it!!!!
 
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Anonymous

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kolanuraven said:
I carry concealed & have for MANY years.

And yes, you screw around and threaten me to the point I feel I need to pull said gun ...I will shoot you ....I promise!!

No, if's, and's or but's about it!!!!

Kola--You mean this ain't you and your bodyguard :???: :wink: :p :lol:

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aplusmnt

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olderroper said:
Our income tax doesnt go for our law inforcement or roads or fire dept. that comes from property tax and sales tax and volunteer donations. And since this is ranchers.net instead of city.net thats where the answers apply.
In ranch country.

You are wrong, federal money goes into these areas all the time. Our local fire department and Sheriff's department received some federal money recently to buy some new equipment. And a lot of federal money goes into HWY's and Bridges to nowhere all the time.

Check your facts sir! :wink:
 

olderroper

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aplusmnt said:
olderroper said:
Our income tax doesnt go for our law inforcement or roads or fire dept. that comes from property tax and sales tax and volunteer donations. And since this is ranchers.net instead of city.net thats where the answers apply.
In ranch country.

You are wrong, federal money goes into these areas all the time. Our local fire department and Sheriff's department received some federal money recently to buy some new equipment. And a lot of federal money goes into HWY's and Bridges to nowhere all the time.

Check your facts sir! :wink:

I've been wrong before. :wink:
But does this money come from income tax?
What did they do before they had income tax. What will they do after income tax is abolished?



I personally would like to see the states tell the Fed G sometimes to take their money and stick it elsewhere
 

Steve

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OlderRoper
What will they do after income tax is abolished?

figure out some more innovative ways to steal our money..

Locally here,.. the govner...
has raised the sales tax..
put a cell phone tax in..
implemented and raised the "administrative fee" on toll accounts..
raised vehicle registration fees..
eliminated several tax deductions..
now he wants to have a Medicaid co-pay..
He has now threatened to more then double our tolls

and unless he gets his way, he will..
cut state aid to hospitals and clinics
reduce the hours and number of motor vehicle agencies.
reduce the hours of operations at state parks..
sell off assets..
cut all state aid to all towns under 10,000
make small towns without police forces pay for state police calls
cut 5000 state jobs.
eliminate the State departments of Agriculture,
eliminate the state department of commerce,
eliminate the state department of personnel.

and that is only his latest round of threats and taxes..

While I don't disagree with all his ideas.. he rode in on promises to tax the rich... and so far his taxes, fees, and cuts have only hurt the poor.

so don't worry if politicians ever eliminate the income tax.. they will find ways to get your money..
 

olderroper

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Steve said:
OlderRoper
What will they do after income tax is abolished?

figure out some more innovative ways to steal our money..
Yer right there, here in SD they are talking about putting a bigger tax on Whiskey. Good thing I drank a lof of er when I was young and it was cheap. Don't need it so much anymore. Tea almost tastes better now.
Almost. :wink:
 

MoGal

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"If the Government took 100% of all taxable income beyond the $75,000 tax bracket not already taxed, it would get only $17 billion, and this confiscation, which would destroy productive enterprise, would only be sufficient to run the Government for several days. 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government."

Simply stated, 100% of all income tax money collected goes to the privately owned Federal Reserve Banking System for transfer payments and to pay down the national debt created by Congress from funding unconstitutional expenditures. Because there is no money in the U.S. Treasury, all operating funding has to be borrowed from this private banking cabal.

here's the link and its only one place of many:
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-17-05/discussion.cgi.37.html
 

CattleArmy

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I'm changing my answer if I was president first thing I'm gonna name myself moderator ( no offence to the current one ) of this joint and everyone better be nice! That is unless you have upset me. :) Nothing like a double standard huh!

Vice President is gonna be jigs cause even when everyone is just pissing everyone else off he usually is worth one smile or two.
 

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