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Illegals murder Americans

Sandhusker

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Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
by Walter Richards
Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – While the military “quagmire” in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year’s 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.

A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.

Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.

King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.

Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.

As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.

According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.

While the federal government doesn’t track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.

In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

@The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;

@Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;

@36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.

“While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators,” states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called “The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration.” “That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the ‘good’ in we get the ‘bad’ along with them. The question is, how much ‘bad’ is acceptable and at what price?”
 

Brad S

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Having lived near Dodge City and Garden City I know of two murderers that fled back to Mexico. One in Kinsley was a double murder, and the one in Dodge was by a guy that jumped rail cars and is thought to have killed many.
 

QUESTION

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Why don't you also have the numbers of americans killed by americans everyday or the number of americans sexually abusing american kids or how many american drunk drivers kill people every day? Oh yeah the article is supposed to be bias. The bias if not racist politician must be up for re-election and trying to win on fear afterall it worked for GW.
 
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Anonymous

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QUESTION said:
Why don't you also have the numbers of americans killed by americans everyday or the number of americans sexually abusing american kids or how many american drunk drivers kill people every day? Oh yeah the article is supposed to be bias. The bias if not racist politician must be up for re-election and trying to win on fear afterall it worked for GW.

Questionable--I'm sure that there are Irish Americans doing this as well as German Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Norwegian Americans, etc.etc....

But that is not the idea- these are problems every civilized nation is expected to deal with, with its citizens--but these folks are not Americans-- they are ILLEGAL INVADERS-- in the country illegally and we the US citizen should not have to be worrying about them and the crimes they committ....They should be being stopped at the border- and those in the country deported...We already pay taxes which our President is sworn to use to secure our borders and protect our populace from foreign invaders...
That is where the major crime is being committed- and that is what is causing many the problems the states and local governments are facing...
GW is asleep at the wheel again...
 
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Anonymous

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don said:
any news on blackwater's escapades in iraq?

They're back working-- nobody can tell GW what he can or cannot do in his new colony... :( :mad: Its too bad the US taxpayers money can flow freely for these unbid contracts protecting Halliburton/etal executives- much of which goes to foreign workers and foreign countries...But GW can't/won't spend a few dollars putting up a fence (18 miles in over a year-out of 700 budgeted for :roll: )- or putting guards on our borders...Under the US Constitution that is one of the times when he can legally call up a militia - to secure the borders and protect the states from foreign invasion.... :( :mad: :mad:

GW will just give each dead Iraquis family a few million $ of our taxpayer money- and all will be happy.... :???: :mad: :mad: :mad:

U.S. Resumes Blackwater Convoys in Iraq

Friday, September 21, 2007 9:56 AM

BAGHDAD -- American convoys under the protection of Blackwater USA resumed on Friday, four days after the U.S. Embassy suspended all land travel by its diplomats and other civilian officials in response to the alleged killing of civilians by the security firm.

A top aide to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had earlier conceded it may prove difficult for the Iraqi government to follow through on threats to expel Blackwater and other Western security contractors.


The aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation into Sunday's shooting was ongoing, said a way out of the Blackwater crisis could be the payment of compensation to victims' families and an agreement from all sides on a new set of rules for their operations in Iraq.


http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/blackwater_iraq/2007/09/21/34580.html
 

andybob

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Sandhusker said:
“While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place),

I don't agree, decent hard working people will make the effort to find employment and apply for a work permit prior to entering the country, and not enter illegaly, in the first case.
 

Sandhusker

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QUESTION said:
Why don't you also have the numbers of americans killed by americans everyday or the number of americans sexually abusing american kids or how many american drunk drivers kill people every day? Oh yeah the article is supposed to be bias. The bias if not racist politician must be up for re-election and trying to win on fear afterall it worked for GW.

You try to stop murders, rapes, thefts, etc... with law enforcement, courts, jails, and all that, and it is a very expensive deal. This article is showing how to save 25 lives a day plus all sorts of other crimes on the cheap - stop them at the border before they even come in.
 
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Anonymous

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From the Heritage Foundation on the defeated Bush/Kennedy/McCain bill On what their amnesty bill would cost American taxpayers in order for some Corporations and the wealthy to get a new legal slave labor class....And this is using the figure of 12 million illegals where many figure the number now is closer to 20 million....

Heritage research has shown that low skill immigrants (those without a high school degree) receive, on average, three dollars in government benefits and services for each dollar of taxes they pay. This imbalance imposes a net cost of $89 billion per year on U.S. taxpayers. Over a lifetime, the typical low skill immigrant household will cost taxpayers $1.2 million.

Heritage research has concluded that the cost of amnesty alone will be $2.6 trillion once the amnesty recipients reach retirement age.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1523.cfm
 
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Oldtimer said:
don said:
any news on blackwater's escapades in iraq?

They're back working-- nobody can tell GW what he can or cannot do in his new colony... :( :mad: Its too bad the US taxpayers money can flow freely for these unbid contracts protecting Halliburton/etal executives- much of which goes to foreign workers and foreign countries...But GW can't/won't spend a few dollars putting up a fence (18 miles in over a year-out of 700 budgeted for :roll: )- or putting guards on our borders...Under the US Constitution that is one of the times when he can legally call up a militia - to secure the borders and protect the states from foreign invasion.... :( :mad: :mad:

GW will just give each dead Iraquis family a few million $ of our taxpayer money- and all will be happy.... :???: :mad: :mad: :mad:

U.S. Resumes Blackwater Convoys in Iraq

Friday, September 21, 2007 9:56 AM

BAGHDAD -- American convoys under the protection of Blackwater USA resumed on Friday, four days after the U.S. Embassy suspended all land travel by its diplomats and other civilian officials in response to the alleged killing of civilians by the security firm.

A top aide to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had earlier conceded it may prove difficult for the Iraqi government to follow through on threats to expel Blackwater and other Western security contractors.


The aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation into Sunday's shooting was ongoing, said a way out of the Blackwater crisis could be the payment of compensation to victims' families and an agreement from all sides on a new set of rules for their operations in Iraq.


http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/blackwater_iraq/2007/09/21/34580.html

While I was very much aware of Blackwaters Diplomat Security training school- as I have taken class's the US marshalls office sponsored in which they used instructors from other corporations that did the same (which I always thought were funded by CIA)-- this is tho, the first I was aware that they and the US government was this involved with what is essentially mercenary armies....Most the articles I could find reported their estimates were between 50,000 and 100,000 of these "security" forces in Iraq and estimates of 200- 500 which have been killed--which is not counted in the military count.....In some of the other articles I read they said that many are from other Arab or Muslim countries....

This is a very shady grey area we have gotten ourselves into- where by the Coalition Provisional Authority- the Iraqui government has no jurisdiction over them- and since they work for the State Department they do not fall under military law- and since they're outside the borders of the US (and many are not American citizens) may questionably not fall under any federal law-- unless GW has declared some secret colonization or something of Iraq...

Still burns my butt that they can spend billions (in no bid contracts) hiring 100,000 mercenary security for Iraq--but can't afford to call up and put National Guards or even security guards on our US borders to protect the US citizen from invasion..And then when they did put a few Guardsmen on the border as a political smokescreen they wouldn't allow them to carry weapons or do interdictions--while they hire guntoters from all over the world for Iraq...


In 2003, Blackwater landed its first truly high-profile contract: guarding Ambassador L. Paul Bremer in Iraq, at the cost of $21 million in 11 months. Since June 2004, Blackwater has been paid more than $320 million out of a $1 billion, five-year State Department budget for the Worldwide Personal Protective Service, which protects U.S. officials and some foreign officials in conflict zones.[25] In 2006, Blackwater won the remunerative contract to protect the U.S. embassy in Iraq, which is the largest American embassy in the world. It is estimated by the Pentagon and company representatives that there are 20,000 to 30,000 armed security contractors working in Iraq, and some estimates are as much as 100,000, though no official figures exist.[26][27] Of the State Department's dependence on private contractors like Blackwater for security purposes, U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, told the U.S. Senate: "There is simply no way at all that the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security could ever have enough full-time personnel to staff the security function in Iraq. There is no alternative except through contracts."[28]

For work in Iraq, Blackwater has drawn contractors from their international pool of professionals, a database containing "21,000 former Special Forces troops, soldiers, and retired law enforcement agents," overall.[29] For instance, Gary Jackson, the firm's president, has confirmed that Bosnians, Filipinos, and Chileans, "have been hired for tasks ranging from airport security to protecting Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Security
 

elwapo

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you all are worried about a few million illegal Mexicans mowing your lawns while your boys are dying by the thousands for some oil sodden piece of desert ?
 

Sandhusker

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elwapo said:
you all are worried about a few million illegal Mexicans mowing your lawns while your boys are dying by the thousands for some oil sodden piece of desert ?

We thank you for your concern, but we'll take care of this country, you take care of yours.
 

PPRM

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A great fence first....After that, i am not opposed to legal immigrants working, ating Taxes, maybe some SS...I say some to the extent of I don't expect someone whoo is not going to get a retirement SS to pay for mine...Without a great fence, we hqve no idea who is coming in....

PPRM
 

Longcut

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Sandhusker said:
elwapo said:
you all are worried about a few million illegal Mexicans mowing your lawns while your boys are dying by the thousands for some oil sodden piece of desert ?

We thank you for your concern, but we'll take care of this country, you take care of yours.

That's funny as that is exactly what foreign nationals have been saying to us for years.

:shock:
 

Longcut

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PPRM said:
A great fence first....After that, i am not opposed to legal immigrants working, ating Taxes, maybe some SS...I say some to the extent of I don't expect someone whoo is not going to get a retirement SS to pay for mine...Without a great fence, we hqve no idea who is coming in....

PPRM

Would one like the one they used to have in Berlin work?
 

Sandhusker

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Longcut said:
PPRM said:
A great fence first....After that, i am not opposed to legal immigrants working, ating Taxes, maybe some SS...I say some to the extent of I don't expect someone whoo is not going to get a retirement SS to pay for mine...Without a great fence, we hqve no idea who is coming in....

PPRM

Would one like the one they used to have in Berlin work?

Study your history books. That wall had a different purpose - it was to built to keep their own people IN. It wasn't about securing borders.
 

QUESTION

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They just put a wall up in west bank to isolate palastinianes(sp) But they are going over and UNDER especially. It doesn't work. Why don't you guys go and play for keeps and land mine a strip a mile wide the length the mexican border. The problem then becomes they will get around it by sea. What is the best way to deal with this so called problem? Maybe make it less attractive for these guys to leave their country by making it a better place to live. Remember the reason these illegals are going to your country is that they are desperate for a better life. Walk a mile in their shoes and then it might be a better time to decide what to do about the immigration problem.
 

Sandhusker

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QUESTION said:
They just put a wall up in west bank to isolate palastinianes(sp) But they are going over and UNDER especially. It doesn't work. Why don't you guys go and play for keeps and land mine a strip a mile wide the length the mexican border. The problem then becomes they will get around it by sea. What is the best way to deal with this so called problem? Maybe make it less attractive for these guys to leave their country by making it a better place to live. Remember the reason these illegals are going to your country is that they are desperate for a better life. Walk a mile in their shoes and then it might be a better time to decide what to do about the immigration problem.

NAFTA was supposed to give them better lives - another bogus prediction.

Why is it our responsibility to fix their crap-hole of a country? It's their responsibility and they have the resources. We didn't cause their problems, they did.

If you think somebody else should help them to a better life, why don't you Canadians send some ships down there and give all that want it free passage and citizenship to Canada? Come on, practice what you preach.
 
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Gingrich: immigration divides “elites” and ordinary citizens
By Bob Dart | Thursday, September 20, 2007, 02:51 PM

The immigration issue delineates “one of the most fundamental dividing lines in American life” between the “elites” and ordinary citizens, Newt Gingrich said Thursday, in a breakfast with reporters.

The average American wants the borders tightly policed and those who cross illegally sent home, explained the former House Speaker from Georgia. The elites — whom he defined as the national media, Washington politicians and the political class of consultants and commentators — are in opposition.

“The average American is not for an anti-immigrant policy in this country,” said Gingrich.

But these ordinary citizens want immigrants to enter the country legally, become Americans when they get here, and become immersed in English classes, not enrolled in bilingual education, he said.

“The elites are not for assimilation,” said Gingrich. “They’re not going to enforce the borders.”

Average Americans have a “deep belief in English as the official language,” said Gingrich. “Elites” see this as an an “anathema.”

The “elites” believe the ordinary citizens are “rubes” and dismiss their opinions on immigration, Gingrich said. He said this attitude can be found in Bush administration as well as among liberal Democrats.
 

QUESTION

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Sand H Why is it your responsibility to help the less fortunate? read a BIBLE . As for not causing their problems do you want to rethink that answer. As for canada doing it's part on the international scene ARE YOU KIDDING. We take refugees the US refuses. We have an employement program to allow thousands of mexicans to come and work legally. As for shipping mexicans up here, not going to happen as the US would claim mexico as another state if it were depopulated then bitch about a lack of cheap workers until you could find workers from some other 3rd world country. IMHO you guys just like to complain if it isn't one thing it is another the only difference from coffee row is coffee row has some ideas as to how to fix things that are based in reality that could actually work.
 
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