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cedardell

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I thought it was illegal to sell perscription drugs without a perscription. What a shame. It is really sad to see our govt, which was trying to help the world with free trade taken advantage of so hanusly. How many US dollars went to help other poorer countries get started so the could enjoy a better life style? Look at our trade deficit. Now our dollar has lost most of its value and the rest of the world is trying to kill us off. All you free trade nuts out there go to MSNBC.COM and eat your hearts out. Look what we've done for China and what have we got for it besides a good kick in the ass. Free trade was just a way for the crooks to circumvent the law. Was dreamed up by the mafia imbedded in the US Govt.
 

mrj

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cedardell said:
I thought it was illegal to sell perscription drugs without a perscription. What a shame. It is really sad to see our govt, which was trying to help the world with free trade taken advantage of so hanusly. How many US dollars went to help other poorer countries get started so the could enjoy a better life style? Look at our trade deficit. Now our dollar has lost most of its value and the rest of the world is trying to kill us off. All you free trade nuts out there go to MSNBC.COM and eat your hearts out. Look what we've done for China and what have we got for it besides a good kick in the ass. Free trade was just a way for the crooks to circumvent the law. Was dreamed up by the mafia imbedded in the US Govt.

cedardell, did part of you post not get printed, or what? What are you talking about?

However, which country of the many that our government has helped over the years has NOT taken advantage of us, and treated us badly for our generousity???? Very few have stood by us. When anyone, individuals or governments, are too generous with either individuals or nations, most will resent it and act accordingly, judging by casual observation of history. Yet our "kindness gene" keeps us repeating the generousity to those in need.

MRJ
 

cedardell

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Sunday night NBC Dateline aired an interview with a Chinese drug counterfiter. Susan Wong's company is packaging millions of dollars of drugs that are identical in looks and packaging, but have no active ingrediant. They use mostly dry wall compound for filler. These drugs are then sold through our wholesale system by their dealers and end up in our drug stores. Thus people in need of those drugs may not be getting what they pay for. The real boondoggle is that they did this to Tamiflu, so all of our govt efforts to stockpile it for Birdflu have been compromised. There is no way to tell it from the real thing without destroying it for testing. So we're back to square one and millions or billions poorer. You can see the whole story yourself on MSNBC.COM click the link for Dateline.
 
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Heres the link to cedardells article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13137839/

It is scarey when you think about it...Makes you wonder what else is imported into this country and gets into the food and drug chain without inspection or oversight :???:

All in the name of Global trade....

I'm sure the Chinese are going to jump right out there and put a stop to their end of this :wink: :roll: And going to open up their country to US inspectors or enforcement :wink: :roll:
 

Silver

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cedardell said:
I thought it was illegal to sell perscription drugs without a perscription. What a shame. It is really sad to see our govt, which was trying to help the world with free trade taken advantage of so hanusly. How many US dollars went to help other poorer countries get started so the could enjoy a better life style? Look at our trade deficit. Now our dollar has lost most of its value and the rest of the world is trying to kill us off. All you free trade nuts out there go to MSNBC.COM and eat your hearts out. Look what we've done for China and what have we got for it besides a good kick in the ass. Free trade was just a way for the crooks to circumvent the law. Was dreamed up by the mafia imbedded in the US Govt.

Forgive me for being ignorant, but what has your country done for China? :???: For whatever reason I'm just not up to snuff on this topic.
 

Econ101

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Provided a market for their goods and the technology to make them.

There has also be a little programing help by hitech companies to allow the communists to control the internet.

To me it was very interesting that the Chinese premier came to visit the president of industry in Washington state (b. gates) before visiting the president of the U.S. in washington d.c.
 

Silver

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Do you think the US 'provided' a market for their goods, or the fact that they provide 'cheap' goods for a market that enjoys 'cheap'?

Also, how is it that China has come to be a major financier of US budget deficits? It appears strange to me that a nation percieved as a threat to the US could be such a large lender.
 

Econ101

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Silver said:
Do you think the US 'provided' a market for their goods, or the fact that they provide 'cheap' goods for a market that enjoys 'cheap'?

Also, how is it that China has come to be a major financier of US budget deficits? It appears strange to me that a nation percieved as a threat to the US could be such a large lender.

Both.

Because Chinamen will work for next to nothing and the country can sell their goods to the U.S. at a profit with the totalitarian communists controlling those profits. Hey, that sounds a bit like the capitalism we have here.

Good points, Silver.
 

Brad S

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[/qAlso, how is it that China has come to be a major financier of US budget deficits? It appears strange to me that a nation percieved as a threat to the US could be such a large lender.
uote]


I know you're just trying to trol here, but holy schniekies, where'd you get that "China finances the US budget deficit" lie? Have enough pride not to embarass yourself.
 

Silver

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Brad S said:
[/qAlso, how is it that China has come to be a major financier of US budget deficits? It appears strange to me that a nation percieved as a threat to the US could be such a large lender.
uote]


I know you're just trying to trol here, but holy schniekies, where'd you get that "China finances the US budget deficit" lie? Have enough pride not to embarass yourself.

I see you are your cheerful self, little fella. FACT is that China holds over 200B of US tbills, Japan holds over 700B. THAT means they are in effect buying US debt. Any more questions, smiley?
 

Brad S

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I think I get it, because China invests in US securities then you can claim they are "a major financier of the US budget deficit."


Yes, lies, distortions and out right stupidity always make me cheerfull. I suggest you stick to how high is up flaming there Mr Smith. Don't confuse my laughter as laghing with you. The more you post, the more you embarass yoursself.



While we're bandying the rediculous, you think China threatens the US or who do you suggest percieves China is a threat to the US? China would easily overrun their entire sphere of influence if not for the US, but they are no threat to the US. Defending weaker countries against despots is thankless indeed, but if not for the US, it wouldn't get done. China is no threat to the US.


FACT is that China holds over 200B of US tbills, Japan holds over 700B. THAT means they are in effect buying US debt. Any more questions, smiley?

Expressed as a percent, what is the relationship between 200bil and a 6 trillion debt. And how could any honest sane person deem this "a major financier of US budget deficits." Again, Silver, the more you post the greater your embarassment - you need to quit while you're known a fool, it'll only get worse.
 

cedardell

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Anybody that thinks China is not a threat to the US is ignorant of China's ideology. It's been part of their culture for the last 300 years to take the US back. They claim they own the US because the Indians were Chinese. Its interesting that the head contact for the bogus drugs was named Wong. Wasn't the Chinese CIA agent that Bill Clinton sold our nuclear secrets to named Wong? Maybe their CIA uses the same cover name all the time and this is actually a plot to kill us all off by intoducing the bird flu while we sit here with bogus medicine. I have had two semesters of Chinese culture at Michigan State University from an exchange professor from Bejing. Don't you believe that the Chinese are not a threat to us or that they are weaker than US. Who kicked us out of Vietnam without lifting a finger? Who has more solders than we have bullets? Who has all our nuclear technology? So what's stopping them? For the time being we're buying them off. What happens when we can no longer afford to do that? Believe me the Chinese are no friends of ours and they are very patient. After all they have been around for over 5000 years.
 

Silver

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Brad S said:
I think I get it, because China invests in US securities then you can claim they are "a major financier of the US budget deficit."


Yes, lies, distortions and out right stupidity always make me cheerfull. I suggest you stick to how high is up flaming there Mr Smith. Don't confuse my laughter as laghing with you. The more you post, the more you embarass yoursself.



While we're bandying the rediculous, you think China threatens the US or who do you suggest percieves China is a threat to the US? China would easily overrun their entire sphere of influence if not for the US, but they are no threat to the US. Defending weaker countries against despots is thankless indeed, but if not for the US, it wouldn't get done. China is no threat to the US.


FACT is that China holds over 200B of US tbills, Japan holds over 700B. THAT means they are in effect buying US debt. Any more questions, smiley?

Expressed as a percent, what is the relationship between 200bil and a 6 trillion debt. And how could any honest sane person deem this "a major financier of US budget deficits." Again, Silver, the more you post the greater your embarassment - you need to quit while you're known a fool, it'll only get worse.

Well, Brad S, you sure told me. lol. I dont think I made a claim to be the expert that you apparently are. I let my kids read you post in an effort to show them how grown ups are NOT supposed to act. I must say they are quite shocked. But.... whatever makes you tick, just go ahead and fill your boots.
Also, I see I wrote tbill not t bonds. I assume you know the difference. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to how many dollars worth of treasury bonds a country would have to dump to wreak havoc. Perhaps you could also explain to me what they are if not debt. Perhaps you could also take the time to explain to me how China is not percieved as a threat by you but is by your gov't. The rest of your post just sounded like blah blah blah so I wont respont to it.
Please try to be a little more grown up in future posts.

PS.... I've been wrong before and I will likely be wrong again, but embarassed... no.
 

agman

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Econ101 said:
Provided a market for their goods and the technology to make them.

There has also be a little programing help by hitech companies to allow the communists to control the internet.

To me it was very interesting that the Chinese premier came to visit the president of industry in Washington state (b. gates) before visiting the president of the U.S. in washington d.c.

Sorry Econ, you are again long on claims and short on facts. The U.S controls the internet.

Given your limited knowledge base you likely believe also that Al Gore invented the internet!!!
 

cedardell

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China is a threat to US because Bill Clinton sold them our nuclear launch pad technology for a campaign contribution. That puts them equal to us in nuclear capability. They out number us by about five bilion people. Their cultural ideology includes owning the US which they figure is theirs by birthright because the American Indians were decended from the Chinese. I took two semesters of Chinese culture from a Chinese exchange professor from Bejing. He said China would never deviate from policy to own the US. It's engrained in their 5000 year old culture. He asked how old is your culture? He also asked "what is your culture?" Unfortunerly nobody answered. He then responded by saying our culture is exemplified by "Custer's Last Stand." The course got worse from there.
 

Brad S

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I let my kids read you post in an effort to show them how grown ups are NOT supposed to act.


Well, silver, you should have shown your kids your original post to show them not to lie, but if you're not embarassed by your dishonesty I can understand why you wouldn't care/know to raise your kids any better. I trust your kids are already worthy pick pockets?


My government doesn't perceive China a threat to the US. No sane person thinks China can attack the US with any positive result. China is only a threat to its region, and the US is the only thing keeping China within their border.

I must say they are quite shocked. But.... whatever makes you tick, just go ahead and fill your boots.

So what reaction are you trying to elicit by a conspiracy of contempt by the liars club? With trepidation, I suppose I will, as you suggest, fill my boots - or buy them smaller next time if I don't. Now you're making geeo sense. I guess I can extrapolate your reasoning to my pants? Coat? If I can I will fill my coat, or buy one smaller next time?
 

Econ101

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agman said:
Econ101 said:
Provided a market for their goods and the technology to make them.

There has also be a little programing help by hitech companies to allow the communists to control the internet.

To me it was very interesting that the Chinese premier came to visit the president of industry in Washington state (b. gates) before visiting the president of the U.S. in washington d.c.

Sorry Econ, you are again long on claims and short on facts. The U.S controls the internet.

Given your limited knowledge base you likely believe also that Al Gore invented the internet!!!

And once again, the facts get in the way with your assertions:

June 7, 2006
Google Caught in China's Internet Blockade
By Ed Sutherland

UPDATED: Internet giant Google, which has defended its decision to comply with China's censorship, has discovered that its main search engine has been blocked in most Chinese provinces, a Paris-based media rights group said in a statement.
Due to the blocking, local Internet users are limited to a censored version of Google, Google.cn, which was launched earlier this year, said Reporters Without Borders.
After blocking Google.com on May 31, Internet users in major Chinese cities report experiencing trouble accessing Google's international site, according to a statement by the advocacy group.
"We are aware that users in China are experiencing problems accessing Google.com," a Google spokesperson told internetnews.com. "We are investigating this matter."
Censorship of Google's international sites has spread to other online properties of the Internet company, including Google News and Google Mail, Reporters Without Borders said.
Additionally, the restrictions are reducing the effectiveness of software used by many Chinese Internet users to bypass government firewalls blocking foreign online information.
The crackdown, which has largely neutralized such foreign-produced software as Dynapass, Ultrasurf, Freegate and Garden Networks, began May 24.
"It is deplorable that Chinese Internet users are forced to wage a technological war against censorship in order to access banned content," according to the group.
Around 100,000 people in China use the software, according to the statement.
Bill Xia, creator of Dynapass and a China exile living in the U.S., said in a statement that the government jamming had reached an "unprecedented level" and was likely requiring a high level of computing resources.
Although developers such as Xia are updating the programs in response to China's actions, the advocacy group called their effectiveness extremely limited.
China's controversial influence on Google has resulted in a months-long saga that has seen the search company waffle some.
In February, Google was among other tech heavies in Washington to address concerns it was cooperating with Chinese censors.
 

Silver

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Brad S said:
I let my kids read you post in an effort to show them how grown ups are NOT supposed to act.


Well, silver, you should have shown your kids your original post to show them not to lie, but if you're not embarassed by your dishonesty I can understand why you wouldn't care/know to raise your kids any better. I trust your kids are already worthy pick pockets?


My government doesn't perceive China a threat to the US. No sane person thinks China can attack the US with any positive result. China is only a threat to its region, and the US is the only thing keeping China within their border.

I must say they are quite shocked. But.... whatever makes you tick, just go ahead and fill your boots.

So what reaction are you trying to elicit by a conspiracy of contempt by the liars club? With trepidation, I suppose I will, as you suggest, fill my boots - or buy them smaller next time if I don't. Now you're making geeo sense. I guess I can extrapolate your reasoning to my pants? Coat? If I can I will fill my coat, or buy one smaller next time?


Well, little fella, please show me my lie. I haven't spotted it yet. I don't claim to be Alan Greenspan by any stretch of the imagination. But as near as I can tell treasury bonds constitute an obligation by the treasury to pay back a sum of money on maturity. I think it's ten years, and I think in the mean time the treasury pays interest on the debt(yes, DEBT) semi anually. It seems logical to me that if an entity were to start dumping large amounts of these bonds because maybe they could get a better return elsewhere, the implications could be far reaching. My fear (perhaps groundless, I dunno) is that if this were to happen, my pocket book would also be directly affected because our economies are so intertwined. Where go you, so go we.
Have you spotted any lies yet?
You continue to draw me into a knock down drag out argument for what reason I have no idea. Your mother not hug you enough?
At any rate, if you care to engage in something more reasonable I would be happy to accomodate.

PS,
No more shots at my kids. Thats classless.
 

Econ101

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Silver, your concerns are the concerns of many. It could create a financial crisis of sorts.

Here is an article on it:

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/14733961.htm

I sure hope there are contingency plans on it, but I thought the same thing with some of the problems in Iraq.

China is subsidizing our overspending and our children will have to pay it back. The debt puts the U.S. in a more vulnerable position and encourages overspending in the U.S. economy (one of the reasons for a low savings rate) while masking the effects of a terrible fiscal policy by masking the inflationary aspects of the policy.

China will get to a point where their economy will not need to sell "trinkets" to the U.S. They have the largest potential market in the world.
 
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