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I'm torn

Tam

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With all the talk about Gates TELL ALL book and how Obama did not respect his Military commanders and how he felt his Afghan war plan was not going to work even though he sent troops in to implement it, I am torn whether to believe some of it when on one hand Gates bashes Obama and Biden then turns around and claims he believe Obama did the right thing and Biden would make a good President.

I can maybe see Gates believing Obama making the right decision to send the troops in but doing it while thinking the plan was a failure going in. :shock: I can't see any Military person supporting that knowing it would lead to POOR TROOP MORAL while implementing the Commanders plans. How can they support the plan while the Commander thinks it is a failure? :roll:


Then you have Biden, why would anyone think Biden would make a good Commander and Chief of the US military if he actually believes he has been on the wrong side of every Military action in the last 4 decades? That makes no sense AT ALL. :roll: From parts of the Gates interview he came across like he felt Biden was the one feeding Obama with doubt about the Military commanders by saying they were trying to BOX HIM IN. Who in the military is going to take him serious if they know he is going to think he believe they are BOXING HIM IN?
And how in sam hell can anyone believe Biden would make a good President after listening to him speak? The guy is a registered gaffe master that is excused by "OH THAT IS JOE FOR YOU". REALLY A good President. :roll:

If you are a Military person like Gates is and witnessed what Hillary did in Benghazi where Americans died HOW can you actually think she would be a good President. She denied ADDED REPEATEDLY REQUESTED SECURITY that would have stopped the attack resulting in those deaths from happening then LIED ABOUT IT FOR WEEKS AND STILL IS LYING. As a military person or private citizens, do you really want a President that will look into the eyes of grieving families members of dead soldiers and BOLD FACE LIE TO THEM ABOUT WHY THEY ARE BURYING THEIR LOVED ONES. How can anyone trust Hillary after the Benghazi mess? But Gates claims she would be a good President.

The only friggin reason I can come up with for the stories about what Gates has written is he is covering his butt by saying something supportive of the crooks in DC while he is letting the truth come out so they can't claim the book is a bunch of lies and nobody should take it seriously. If they want to say he lied about the bashing stuff like their Political reasoning for objecting to the Iraq war, one can say then why should we believe the parts where he is supportive of the threesome. That or he is hoping by saying something supportive he will not be targeted by the DOJ, NSA, IRS, FBI and any other Government Agency these three have under their control to go after him.

How much can we take as the true in Gates book as I sure don't see how anyone can see Biden or Hillary would make a good President.
 

Tam

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BTW what happen to Gates he is wearing a neck brace. Funny how reports of his TELL ALL book hit the airwaves and he winds up in a neck brace. :? Did someone in the Obama Administration react badly to the book?

If so I'm sure Obama will know NOTHING ABOUT THE ATTACK until it is reported in the newspapers. :wink:
 

Tam

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You have to laugh at how the Christie mess is being pushed in the news now to give Obama cover on the book. The feds don't have time to investigate the IRS or NSA or any other Obama Scandal but within days they are going through every dime Christie was given after Hurricane. Sandy to see that he did not use it to promote himself during the election. As if Obama has not used Federal money to promote himself during his election. The man uses Air Force One like it is the DNC's private jet but Christie is in a ad promoting tourism in New Jersey after a historical storm and he is misusing funds. :roll:
Oh and the Dems pointing of fingers in laughable.

Well if he didn't know then he should have.

Well if he didn't know then he set up an atmosphere that encouraged this type of actions by his staff.

If he didn't do it he had a hit list and his supporters took it upon themselves to retaliate against his enemies.


But yet when Obama used the "I didn't know anything about what was going on" REPEATEDLY we are all to believe that HE DID NOT KNOW PERIOD. It is a phony scandal drummed up by Republicans to destroy the BLACK PRESIDENT. :roll:

I give it to Christie he said he did not know and he was going to hold people accountable and people were fired UNLIKE OBAMA.

Have to wonder what they are going to dig up to give Obama cover over the over 400 Benghazi papers that were just released. :shock:

Intell knew it was an terrorist attack and never said it was a protest from the first reports given to Obama so where did he dig up the video Lie and who OK'd the arrest of the Video Producer in a country that supposedly has Freedom of Speech Rights?
 

Tam

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NBC's Lauer Grills Bob Gates on 'Dangerous or Dishonorable' Criticism of Obama
http://newsbusters.org ^ | January 13, 2014 | Kyle Drennen

Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 1:09:51 PM by Whenifhow

During a live interview with former Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday's NBC Today, co-host Matt Lauer suggested that criticism of President Obama in Gates's new memoir was endangering American troops overseas: "As this criticism is leveled by you in the book of the commander-in-chief, the acting commander-in-chief, at a time when some 40,000 U.S. troops are in harm's way, do you think that by calling him into question at this stage it is either dangerous or dishonorable?" [Listen to the audio or watch the video after the jump]

After Gates rejected the notion, Lauer insisted: "But you don't think it undermines his credibility with the troops he is commander-in-chief of right now?" At the top of the show, Lauer teased the interview: "Robert Gates on his new memoir and his criticism of President Obama. Is it fair with U.S. troops still in harm's way?"

Did anyone on the left ever worry about what they were doing when they were continually bashing Bush about the Iraq war? Were the soldiers not in harms way then?

Did Obama himself ever care what he was doing to the troops when he was campaigning on the fact he was going to do everything in his power to get the soldiers out of Iraq as it was the "WRONG" war? Were the soldiers not in harms way then?

Hell did Obama or Lauer really care about the troops when Obama was spiking the ball over Bin Laden's death? We all know what happen to Seal Team Six after that MEDIA CIRCUS.

But now Lauer and the left bias media are all concerned about what GATES IS DOING TO THEIR CHOOSEN ONE.

HYPOCRATES :roll:

BTW What undermined Obama's credibility with the troops, I'm guessing, was his taking credit where credit wasn't due. Something Obama is VERY GOOD AT.
Special Forces to Obama: You Didn't Kill Osama bin Laden, America Did
Katie Pavlich | Aug 16, 2012

A group of former special forces and intel operatives, including Navy SEALs, are speaking out against President Obama's loose lips when it comes to top secret national security details and his bragging about killing Osama bin Laden. The Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund plans to launch an ad blitz slamming Obama for his behavior and attitude toward national security.

"It is my civic duty to tell the president to stop leaking national security secret to the enemy," former Navy SEAL Benjamin Smith says in the ad. "Mr. President, you did not kill Osama bin Laden, America did. The work that the American military has done killed Osama bin Laden. You did not."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlfBlsigaLk

Yep Gates undermined Obama credibility with the troops :roll:
 

Tam

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Did Matt Lauer care that he could have been endangering American troops that were in harms way when he was interviewing Bush?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-sHxr-995o

I betting all he cared about was HIS LEFT BIAS MEDIA RATINGS when he was attacking Bush. :roll:
 

Steve

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The only friggin reason I can come up with for the stories about what Gates has written is he is covering his butt by saying something supportive of the crooks in DC while he is letting the truth come out so they can't claim the book is a bunch of lies and nobody should take it seriously.

I think we all should know the answer..

criticize Obama,.. you are a racist

criticize Hillery,... you are a misogynist.

so in effect Gates didn't want to be called a racist misogynist,..

and to make sure the rest of the liberal idiots weren't offended he said a few nice things about Biden..

just my take... :lol:
 

Steve

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Tam said:
The feds don't have time to investigate the IRS or NSA or any other Obama Scandal but within days they are going through every dime Christie was given after Hurricane. Sandy to see that he did not use it to promote himself during the election.

I was a bit shocked to see that,.. around here most of the liberals compliment him on that ad campaign..

it was an effective campaign... and Christie was a vital part of making it effective.. it wasn't just the ads.. it was in his news conferences,. and press releases.,.. and featured center stage on his TV appearances..

He used an all of the above approach to getting that message out. and most appreciated his focus on returning NJ back to business..

the other ads may have really stunk... without seeing their proposal it is hard to compare.. http://www.sigmagroup.com/work
 

kolanuraven

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I think that Gates has written this book is shittie!

My personal opinion is that ANY person that has been in a Presidents cabinet, council or in ANY WAY closely connected and privy to information about our nation SHOULD NOT be allowed to write any kind of book until the President that person has or is serving is out of office.

I don't care if it's a Rep or Dem., ANY person what was trusted with important and secure information turning coattail and writing a book like that while the President he/she served is still in office is about as low as you can go.
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
I think that Gates has written this book is shittie!

My personal opinion is that ANY person that has been in a Presidents cabinet, council or in ANY WAY closely connected and privy to information about our nation SHOULD NOT be allowed to write any kind of book until the President that person has or is serving is out of office.

I don't care if it's a Rep or Dem., ANY person what was trusted with important and secure information turning coattail and writing a book like that while the President he/she served is still in office is about as low as you can go.

He hasn't revealed any national security secrets. Most folks already knew how buckwheat felt about all these things. Gates just puts it in writing. It's never too early to try and stop this disaster. Wish he would have written it before the election.
 

Tam

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kolanuraven said:
I think that Gates has written this book is shittie!

My personal opinion is that ANY person that has been in a Presidents cabinet, council or in ANY WAY closely connected and privy to information about our nation SHOULD NOT be allowed to write any kind of book until the President that person has or is serving is out of office.

I don't care if it's a Rep or Dem., ANY person what was trusted with important and secure information turning coattail and writing a book like that while the President he/she served is still in office is about as low as you can go.

Asnwer this Should A SITTING Commander and Chief give Hollywood producers private tours of his War Situation room making it possible for them to make a movie glorifying his "claimed" part in Special Ops Missions, when those that carried out the missions are still on the battle field, to use as a campaign tool?

It was just fine with the left that Obama used top secret missions to boost his second term election campaign but the real truth about his leadership abilities are to stay hid until after he leaves office. :roll: .

BTW Did you hear that Panetta and others are now on record in saying they never told Obama that Benghazi was ever a result of a video? Don't you think that maybe the Military should have corrected that Obama LIE when he made it verse allowing the twit to win a second term on a LIE about Al Queada being "ON THE RUN". YEP they are on the run alright they are running all over the East and leaving bodies in their path. :roll: :x
 

Faster horses

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What about Biden telling everyone it was the Navy Seals that took out Bin Laden? That was classified information. Billy Vaughn says several times in his book "Betrayed" that Biden put a target on the Seals backs. His son even called his mother after that happened and told her to get rid of anything and everything on social media as he was very concerned that something bad was going to happen due to Biden telling the world who went in and took out Bin Laden. A whole lot of Navy SEALS have been killed since that blabbermouth told things that were much better left unsaid. It was a Breach of Trust, actually. But like everyone else in the Obama administration, he's still there to give out classified information another day.


BTW, Billy Vaughn will not allow Obama's name to be spoken in his home.
 

Steve

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kolanuraven said:
I think that Gates has written this book is shittie!

My personal opinion is that ANY person that has been in a Presidents cabinet, council or in ANY WAY closely connected and privy to information about our nation SHOULD NOT be allowed to write any kind of book until the President that person has or is serving is out of office.

I don't care if it's a Rep or Dem., ANY person what was trusted with important and secure information turning coattail and writing a book like that while the President he/she served is still in office is about as low as you can go.

funny... here is how the press reacted just a short time back...
What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception is the #1 New York Times bestseller of Scott McClellan, who served as White House Press Secretary from 2003 until 2006 under President George W. Bush. The book was scheduled to be released on June 2, 2008; however, excerpts were released to the press a week before publication. The book quickly became a media sensation for its candid, insider's critique of the Bush administration and ran as a leading story on most top news outlets days after the content became public.

McClellan harshly criticizes the Bush administration though he writes in detail about his personal admiration for President Bush. He accuses Bush of "self-deception"[1] and of maintaining a "permanent campaign approach" to governing, rather than making the best choices.

Congressional response

In response to the claims made by McClellan in the book, Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL) and Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), who is the Chair of the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, have called upon McClellan to testify under oath in front of Congress.[7] McClellan testified publicly under oath before the House Judiciary Committee in July 2008.

yep.. real ironic when the shoe was on the other foot..

McClellan...well when he wrote his book etc he was preaching to the choir as what all he told was not even ' news' by that time.

yep,.. we all knew Obama didn't support the military, that Biden was an idiot,. and that Hillery and Obama would sell out their mother to get elected.. so really Gate's book is old news..



hmmm,.. I guess as you get older you get easier to rile up when an insider writes a book and just confirms what we already knew.. ,...
 
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