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Impeach Bush!

Mike

Well-known member
I am a Conservative Republican to the core of my bones. I hate what Liberal Democrats stand for.

But I am completely for the impeachment of the President George Bush for the goverment railroading of the border patrol agents....Ramos and Compean.

Read all you can find on this subject. It stinks to high heaven with admitted lies all the way from the Investigators to the Prosecutor to Homeland Security to the White House.

I say put Bush's ass out of the White House and in the prison where these border guards are sitting. :mad: :mad:


Never though I'd feel this way. You will too when you find out the real story. It's coming soon................................

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President Bush continued to fiddle while the country burned around him yesterday as another travesty of justice befell this nation. Bush showed arrogance and total contempt by ignoring the requests of 55 congressman, an estimated 250,000 people who actually took their time and went out of their way to sign a petition for two law enforcement men they probably had never met and numerous rallies around the country this weekend demanding that their case be reviewed and a pardon be given. Bush thumbed his nose at congressional members of his own party giving absolutely no response at all to their requests to look into the case.
Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean reported to serve their prison sentences yesterday after Bush appointed federal judge Kathlene Cardone reviewing their case denied them the ability to remain free on bond while their case is appealed. Judge Cardone found there were no exceptional circumstances in the case that would warrant bond.

The agents were sentenced to 11 and 12 year prison sentences for shooting a fleeing Mexican drug smuggler and illegal alien, Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila , in the buttocks. Aldrete-Davila, who had 800 Lbs of Marijuana valued at over $1 million, physically struggled with the agents and then was shot when he is said to have pointed a weapon at the agents while fleeing. Aldrete-Davila was given immunity by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for his testimony against the agents and is now suing the US government for $5 million for violating his civil rights... as a drug smuggler.

Border Patrol agents were threatened with termination if they didn't show up to work for the day in protest.


http://www.grassfire.org/


http://rohrabacher.house.gov/UploadedFiles/NBPC%20rebuttal_to_sutton.pdf
 

jinx

Member
ok, I'm gonna put my own butt in a sling...my name is Alice

That said, I am not a conservative...nor am I a liberal...I am a moderate, right now with liberal leanings.

However, I don't think it takes anything other than a thinking human to know that these agents have been railroaded by politics...and they are in peril for doing their jobs...the ones they were sent out to do.

GW has shown his arrogance all along, to my way of thinking. However, in this instance, he has gone past arrogance and succumbed to Hubris.

Mike there are things I would like to see him impeached for, you know that...and I know that there are two sides to that coin on those things...and I respect both sides. But with this...this travesty of these border patrol agents...it is unforgiveable.

No, I am not jumping on a liberal band wagon here...I am jumping on a right and wrong band wagon, and with this absolutely unconscionable (never could spell the word) circumstance, there is no excuse. And if this has something to do with liberal pressure, then I am ashamed! I am ashamed of the liberals and I am more ashamed of the President of the United States...the all powerful President of the United States.

This is one thing, this failure to do the right thing for these border patrol agents, that has shown to be completely bipartisan...Bush is wrong, he is...he is...I can't put it into words.

Alice
 

jinx

Member
One other thing Mike...what I have said in the above does not make us allies in anything else. However, if it came to me having to walk down the street beside you in protest to have an effect on the outcome of this travesty, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Mighty awful big of me, huh! :D

Alice
 

Mike

Well-known member
One thing I am having a hard time with on this is "Motive".

I cannot think of a rational motive behind this and there has to be one.

It disturbs me......................

Any ideas?
 

Work Hard and Study Hard

Well-known member
jinx said:
One other thing Mike...what I have said in the above does not make us allies in anything else. However, if it came to me having to walk down the street beside you in protest to have an effect on the outcome of this travesty, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Mighty awful big of me, huh! :D

Alice

I agree with you 100%.
 

jinx

Member
Mike, you asked about a possible motive. I can only speculate...and my speculation involves things that will naturally be seen as liberal minded and I don't think that is what you meant this thread to turn into, but here goes.

GW has no legal background. GW relies totally on the advice of the legal people in his administration. Micheal Chertoff is an ex federal appeals court judge...Michael Chertoff is the head of Homeland Security. To say anymore, again, would result in this thread taking a liberal vs. conservative turn.

When GW was governor of this state he commuted only 1 death penalty sentence...Henry Lee Lucas. I am going to pm you a link to a book review that might be able to give you an indication of the way GW dealt with executions in Texas...how he continually claimed to review all pleas for commutation of death penalty sentences to life in prison, yet actually gave them no more than a cursory glance, or no glance at all, and rubber stamped what Gonzales recommended. This book relies heavily on information obtained thru the freedom of information act. I won't list the link here because, again, I don't want this thread to take a liberal vs. conservative turn. If you wish to, at a later date, share the information, should you read it, then that is up to you. Oh, and one more thing...I do not oppose the death penalty when it is a just and right sentence.

If you choose to read this book review, keep in mind that yes, it will have a liberal slant...but if you can past that and read for the Bush mindset in these cases, you might be able to see why Bush is either not taking the case of the border patrol agents seriously, or refuses to take it seriously, or simply does not like being told what to do and will sull up and get obstinant about it. And, again, Michael Chertoff is heavily involved in this, and that guy is not, in my mind, one to be trusted.

I am still simply amazed that the drug smuggler is sitting back fat and happy with nothing more than a shot up butt, while these 2 law enforcement officers are in jail, one of them having been beaten badly, most likely by convicts, or friends of convicts, that the man arrested. If I wanted to get really sinister minded, I would have to think that the beaten agent is intended to be hushed up for good. Ex law enforcement officers are never put in with the general population of a prison...why was he?

I could go on, but this has gotten way too long as it is.

Alice
 
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Anonymous

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I think GW's whole involvement with the Mexican's and the Border issue needs to be investigated...His refusal to close down or do anything with the border and illegals when 70+% of US citizens are demanding it, is dispicable....All he's done is put up smokescreens to cover up the problem....
Something Stinks.....Then you add in this scandal building around these BP Agents and you have to wonder-- Who's making what off Who :???: ....
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
First off, whatever the reason are behind this you will NEVER hear of them while this admin. is in office.

Secondly, I'd venture to guess that IF the reason were to come out and be known that you'd not only have impeachable offenses there would be criminal aspects of this also.


And third, there's probably MILLIONS at least involved in this deal and where it tracks home to will be the interesting part.
 

Texan

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jinx said:
That said, I am not a conservative...nor am I a liberal...I am a moderate, right now with liberal leanings.
A "moderate, right now with liberal leanings"? LOL. A moderate, not a REAL liberal? You libs really have trouble admitting it, don't you? I don't blame you... :lol:
 

Texan

Well-known member
Mike said:
One thing I am having a hard time with on this is "Motive".

I cannot think of a rational motive behind this and there has to be one.

It disturbs me......................

Any ideas?
Mike, maybe there's not any big conspiracy like some want to believe. Maybe he's just letting the process work itself out. That's what he should be doing, anyway. Maybe he doesn't want to circumvent the legal process and use his Executive power to effectively overturn a jury's decision before the thing has even gone to appeal. That would be a pretty low blow to our jury system, wouldn't it?

I think that a lot of you guys are failing to be objective in this matter. But maybe it's me, instead...
 
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Anonymous

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Texan said:
I think that a lot of you guys are failing to be objective in this matter. But maybe it's me, instead...

Its you-- If I was Pres and I had a US attorney that decided to believe the word of a Mexican illegal alien Smuggler over several Border Patrolmen and granted this smuggler immunity for smuggling in 680 lbs of mary jane to be spread to our kids on our streets--in order to try and prosecute these 2 BP officers that shot him in the butt-- that attorney would already be kicking his lunch bucket down the road--
but then you add in all the false statements of the so called Homeland Security investigators and attempts to cover up these statements and there would be a whole bunch of Homeland Security out looking for a new job too........

Unless I/or someone close to me didn't want to shake up a profitable kickback scheme!!!

I only see one mistake these BP guys made-- they hit him in the butt instead of his heart....
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
TeXan....you're a sweetie...but it's just YOU!!!!

You conservatives/Rep's CAN NOT admit when something is amiss in your end of the universe.

I know it's hard to admit it....but I'm sure there is a support group somewhere for folks who have come to realize that GW Bush IS NOT a PERFECT GOD!!
 

memanpa

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
TeXan....you're a sweetie...but it's just YOU!!!!

You conservatives/Rep's CAN NOT admit when something is amiss in your end of the universe.

I know it's hard to admit it....but I'm sure there is a support group somewhere for folks who have come to realize that GW Bush IS NOT a PERFECT GOD!!

KAkA show me and the rest of the forum where anyone has said GW is a GOD much less perfect?

this is just more of your hate bush retoric that is meaninless unless you can offer proof :roll: :roll:

even with his faults he is better than anything the libs have offered us in the past and it doesn't look much better for the future for what the libs are claiming to be the salvation of the USA
 

Mike

Well-known member
No Texan. I have been studying this thing for months now. I have tried every way I know to be objective on this matter.

This whole deal smells to high heaven.

There are way too many lies involved for this thing to called "Justice".
 

Mike

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
TeXan....you're a sweetie...but it's just YOU!!!!

You conservatives/Rep's CAN NOT admit when something is amiss in your end of the universe.

I know it's hard to admit it....but I'm sure there is a support group somewhere for folks who have come to realize that GW Bush IS NOT a PERFECT GOD!!

Please don't hijack this thread with useless rhetoric. PLEASE!!!!
 

Cal

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memanpa said:
kolanuraven said:
TeXan....you're a sweetie...but it's just YOU!!!!

You conservatives/Rep's CAN NOT admit when something is amiss in your end of the universe.

I know it's hard to admit it....but I'm sure there is a support group somewhere for folks who have come to realize that GW Bush IS NOT a PERFECT GOD!!

KAkA show me and the rest of the forum where anyone has said GW is a GOD much less perfect?

this is just more of your hate bush retoric that is meaninless unless you can offer proof :roll: :roll:

even with his faults he is better than anything the libs have offered us in the past and it doesn't look much better for the future for what the libs are claiming to be the salvation of the USA
I don't like what's going on with the border, and our failure to secure it, but you are absolutely right. The left offers nothing that I know of as far as substanative plans to do otherwise. I would warn other conservatives to be careful about joining the lefts "loves fest/hate fest" until this deal has more completely played out. Lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas.
 

quickdraw

Well-known member
I would like to ask a question if I may?

Who has actually read the trial transcripts and seen the proof offered at trial? Or are a lot of us succombing to what the media wants us to hear and see?

How many of you have set on a jury trial and rendered a verdict? Was that not decided by the jury and based on the evidence presented, not by what the media wants you to see and hear?

There are appeals to be made yet, other courts will base their decision on facts and evidence presented during the first trial, and then another appeal until they are exhausted, or overturned.
So in my mind we as citizens can be outraged with the verdict WE did not hear all the evidence presented at trial!
We do not always agree with the verdict, but it is there and I would like to think that most outcomes are good and true!

If it is overturned by the next higher court then it will be time to invistigate to see if there was indeed wrong doing by ANYONE.


This is just my humble opinion for what it is worth.
 

nonothing

Well-known member
Texan said:
Mike said:
One thing I am having a hard time with on this is "Motive".

I cannot think of a rational motive behind this and there has to be one.

It disturbs me......................

Any ideas?
Mike, maybe there's not any big conspiracy like some want to believe. Maybe he's just letting the process work itself out. That's what he should be doing, anyway. Maybe he doesn't want to circumvent the legal process and use his Executive power to effectively overturn a jury's decision before the thing has even gone to appeal. That would be a pretty low blow to our jury system, wouldn't it?

I think that a lot of you guys are failing to be objective in this matter. But maybe it's me, instead...

Right or wrong Texan,at least you offered fodder to this thread....The other repub's of this site here have yet to show their thoughts..
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
I wonder what aplus and RR will think of this?

I have not read much on this case so do not have a strong opinion that I would call based on Knowledge. From everything I have read I am upset these two guys are currently in Jail.

I do agree with Texan though that the President should never Pardon someone until they have went through the appeals courts. That is our Judicial system and the appeals courts are there to correct mistakes made in lower courts. I do not see that as the presidents place to do.

What I am the most upset about on this whole thing is that they should have been allowed out on Bail until the had the chance to go through the appeals process. I do not know who should have or could have authorized this but the should not be in Jail while awaiting appeal. Being law enforcement, the person did not die and unusual circumstances I see no reason they could not be on bail during the appeals process. Could the President authorize this? Not up on these kinds of laws.

As for being a Bush lover. I do not like President Bush much at all, he is a big disappointment in many areas. Only problem is with you Libs you can not handle the fact that me and others do support him on his War on Terror fight. In that area I have great support for him and am glad that even if he makes mistakes at least the route he has gone there is Radical Muslim Terrorist dying because of his decisions. And that is what I want to see happening!
 
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