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Disagreeable

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I wonder if Vice President Cheney would stand by his statement of last year, considering that 66 people died today in a car bomb blast in Iraq. Or if he even cares? 66 people. 66 men, women, children, someone's mother, father, wife, sister, brother, husband. Is it any wonder many of them hate us for occupying their country? Link below; my emphasis.


A parked car bomb exploded at a popular outdoor market Saturday in a Shiite slum in Baghdad, killing at least 66 people and wounding dozens, authorities said. It was the bloodiest attack to hit Iraq since the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

The blast, which occurred around 10 a.m. when the Sadr City market was packed with shoppers, destroyed the stalls where food and clothes are peddled and sent up a plume of gray smoke. Flames shot out the windows of several scorched cars.

Ambulances rushed to the scene and carried the victims to hospitals, where men cradled crying babies as doctors bandaged them. Rasoul Zaboun, an official from the Imam Ali Hospital in Sadr City, said 66 people were killed and 87 wounded."

More at the link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13647425/
 

andybob

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Their country is not occupied, the sooner the rule of law is restored,the sooner foriegn forces will withdraw.
Sectarian violence amongst the Arab and African peoples has its roots deep in history and goes back thousands of years, the Sunni- Shiite conflict is as much to do with ancient pre- Islamic clan feuding as wiyh religeous differences.
Many of todays problems can be traced back to the way in which the Brits arrogantly formed the countries with no consideration for the tribal and ethnic groups they were grouping together often splitting groups (eg the Kurds) between several countries which were then given to antagonistic ethnic groups to rule.
A problem in the present conflict, is that there are anti-western governments and terrorist organisations who wish to tie up as many troops as possible in Iraque and Afganistan while formenting violence and division between the Sunnis and Shiites for their own ends.
The whole middle eastern problem is just too complex to even begin to cover in a forum discussion of this type, and a certain understanding of the way in which these people reason is needed, as western logic is as far removed from their reasoning as the sun is from the moon, and most people on this board will never fully understand the whole cultural mess.
 

Disagreeable

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andybob said:
Their country is not occupied, the sooner the rule of law is restored,the sooner foriegn forces will withdraw.
Sectarian violence amongst the Arab and African peoples has its roots deep in history and goes back thousands of years, the Sunni- Shiite conflict is as much to do with ancient pre- Islamic clan feuding as wiyh religeous differences.
Many of todays problems can be traced back to the way in which the Brits arrogantly formed the countries with no consideration for the tribal and ethnic groups they were grouping together often splitting groups (eg the Kurds) between several countries which were then given to antagonistic ethnic groups to rule.
A problem in the present conflict, is that there are anti-western governments and terrorist organisations who wish to tie up as many troops as possible in Iraque and Afganistan while formenting violence and division between the Sunnis and Shiites for their own ends.
The whole middle eastern problem is just too complex to even begin to cover in a forum discussion of this type, and a certain understanding of the way in which these people reason is needed, as western logic is as far removed from their reasoning as the sun is from the moon, and most people on this board will never fully understand the whole cultural mess.

Of course their country is occupied. Five more soldiers have been charged with murder and rape. So I'll ask you, AB. If China attacked the US and told us we were living wrong. That they were there to give us a better life. And while they were there they killed our parents, our children (all accidentally, of course), we had fewer hours of electricity, we were afraid to send our childen to school for fear of kidnappers, bombs were going up in our markets every day. Are you telling me you would set by quietly while this was going on. They reassure you that they'll leave as soon as they can, but they will lay out no guidelines for when that will be. Are you going to tell me you'd just accept that? I wouldn't. You can bet me and mine would do what we could to make their stay as difficult as possible.

Your other comments are well taken. It's a shame the Bush Bunch didn't know or care about tribes, religious differences, and the difference culture would pay in this war. Or maybe they did know and just didn't want to understand. They had their agenda, overthrowing Saddam. If facts got in their way, they just ignored them. And our military is paying the price.:mad:
 

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