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Indiana House Democrats leave state, Wisconsin style

hypocritexposer

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Indiana House Democrats leave state, Wisconsin style

By Sharif Durhams of the Journal Sentinel

Feb. 22, 2011 11:04 a.m. |(80) Comments

Now Democratic lawmakers from another state seem to be leaving their homes for Illinois.

House Democrats in Indiana are leaving the state rather than vote a bill that would modify collective bargaining for some workers there, according to the Indianapolis Star.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116662989.html
 

cutterone

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Let’s face it – government employees are nothing but a necessary evil. They produce nothing to offset their cost. At least in the private sector employees of a factory, farm, ect are producing a product or service that produces income and hopefully a profit. Most employers will offer wages and benefits that they can live with. If they over pay or are forced by unions to pay more than they can afford then they will reevaluate and change or go bust. A form of checks and balances. We take that equation out of the picture with public employees.
Let’s talk a few facts. Only 11.9% of the workers in the U.S. are unionized. The private sector has only 6.9% compared to 36.2% for public employees of which 31% of those work in education. Have you taken a look at the public employees lately? At the court house, the post office, the state highway, ect. They are the laziest and most inefficient workers you will find. Our education in this country sucks and why – tenure. We can’t get rid of the dead wood. The situation going on right now is that even with every worker that is unionized was in favor of this situation a scant 11.9% is trying to force the rest of us over our votes.
My dad worked in an automotive unionized plant and I know several other who worked in union shops and the first hand stories of drunks and worthless employees ( I won’t call them workers because they weren’t) who were protected by the unions are ridiculous. The wasted time in and inefficiency in union shops costs the customers of their products and services amounts to about 25% of the cost.
Have you ever seen unions petition the state governments for employee laws for workers rights and workman’s injury compensation? They (the union leaders) don’t care about the “little people” – only their war chests of union dues to live like fat cats and political action leverage.
Take a look at what is going on in the NFL. Over compensated brats making millions of dollars complaining about wanting more. They are adorned by the fans, making big wages and even more by sponsors and ready to stick it to the fans for their own greed. If you don’t like the offer then don’t take the job!
No employee has the “right” to demand anything other than a safe place to work, the chance for advancement without discrimination and fair wage. Every thing else is a perk not a right.
Every one of those teachers and other state employees were given a chance for employment and a wage with certain other benefits when they hired on. Seemingly that was a good offer but then after being given the job they found the need to change the offer. The legislators have been far too generous and lax in their duties to protect the moneys of the taxpayers and now it is time to reverse course and live within our means and not demands.
The only “rights” any of us have are God given – the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. No where in the constitution or bill of rights will you find the mention of free health care, pensions, or paid days off.
State legislators had best wake up to their taxpayers and voters and stop this dead in it's tracks and tell the unions they are out of business.
 

cutterone

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I and you “owe” nothing to someone else. They have no “right” to anything of ours. They have the right to pursue and try to be anything, be the best that they can be, and make the most of what it offers. The owners of any business have the right to do the same and not their employees having the right to put their hands in his pockets at free will. Even when a company goes public it only gives those rights to it’s investors.
As far as these legislators in my opinion they are criminals! They are sent and paid to do a job. They have the responsibility to debate issues and vote but no the right to walk off the job they were voted to do. That is a form of treason and should be held accountable legally and by their taxpayers.
 

katrina

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cardshuffle said:
Reminds me of the old Monty Python bit from "The Holy Grail":

"Bravely bold Sir Robin, Sir Robin ran away..." :lol:

My 12 year old son loves Monty Python and the Holy Grail... What a hoot!!
 

hypocritexposer

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I read this on another site.

Flee Bagger (noun) specifical­ly a cowardly Democrat who Flees Wisconsin , Indiana to Illinois in an attempt to show their hatred and disdain to their constituen­ts and their cowardice . generally, any supporter of the aforementi­oned cowards
 

Lonecowboy

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hypocritexposer said:
I read this on another site.

Flee Bagger (noun) specifical­ly a cowardly Democrat who Flees Wisconsin , Indiana to Illinois in an attempt to show their hatred and disdain to their constituen­ts and their cowardice . generally, any supporter of the aforementi­oned cowards


Could you use that in a sentence please? :D
 

Tam

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Can you imagine what would happen if these politicans were Republicans and they left the state to stop the Democrats from raising taxes to fund their exploding budgets? There would be hell to play and you can bet there would be some union thugs threatening the children of the politicans until they were forced to come back for the protection of his family. :x These sleaz balls Democraps should be kicked out of their elected offices and replace with someone that believes in going to work and doing their freaking jobs and not hiding out in a neighboring state to hold up others from doing what the voters put them in office to do. They are acting like spoiled rotten babies and need to be held accountable for the money they are costing the States with their childish game of Hide and Seek. :x
 

Tam

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floyd said:
Which bunch of sleazeballs pulled the same stunt in TX a few yrs ago? The d's or the r's?

Do you mean this and where does it say the Republicans left the "STATE" where law enforcement could not force them to attend session and do they duty to vote.
BTW it looks as if the Dems were playing questionably legal tricks in this case/vote to get what they wanted too. Just when do laws/rules apply to the Dems?
August 03, 2007
Categories:Bad behavior.House erupts in chaos
In a massive flare-up of partisan tensions (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv), Republicans walked out on a House vote late Thursday night to protest what they believed to be Democratic maneuvers to reverse an unfavorable outcome for them.

The flap represents a complete breakdown in parliamentary procedure and a distinct low for the sometimes bitterly divided chamber because members of one party have rarely, if ever, walked off the floor without casting a vote.

The rancor erupted shortly before 11 p.m. as Rep. Michael R. McNulty (D-N.Y.) gaveled closed the vote on a standard procedural measure with the outcome still in doubt.

Details remain fuzzy, but numerous Republicans argued afterward that they had secured a 215-213 win on their motion to bar undocumented immigrants from receiving any federal funds apportioned in the agricultural spending bill for employment or rental assistance. Democrats, however, argued the measure was deadlocked at 214-214 and failed, members and aides on both sides of the aisle said afterward.

One GOP aide saw McNulty gavel the vote to a close after receiving a signal from his leaders -- but before reading the official tally. And votes continued to shift even after he closed the roll call -- a strange development in itself.

Whatever the final tally, acrimony quickly exploded between lawmakers on either side of the aisle as Democratic leaders tried to plot a solution, while parliamentarians on either side argued over protocol.

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) eventually offered a motion to reconsider, according to floor staff on either side, ostensibly giving members a chance to recast their votes. But the maneuver sparked a chorus of angry protests from the Republicans, yelling “shame” on Democrats, while they returned fire with angry volleys of their own.

When Democrats finally moved to consider the spending bill as the last vote of the night, furious Republicans left the chamber en masse to protest the maneuver. The House eventually recessed at 11:18 p.m. But Republicans quickly discovered that there was no longer any record of the controversial vote and immediately charged Democrats with erasing the bad result.

“Obviously, the Democrats don’t want to stand up against illegal immigration — so much so that they’re willing to cheat in order to win a vote,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) said in an e-mail. “They’re desperate — and it shows.”

The official House website did not show a record of the vote as of 1 a.m. Friday
 

Steve

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floyd said:
Which bunch of sleazeballs pulled the same stunt in TX a few yrs ago? The d's or the r's?

Texas House paralyzed by Democratic walkout

With action in the Texas House brought to a standstill, roughly 50 state Democratic representatives said they would remain in neighboring Oklahoma "as long as it takes"

The walkout has paralyzed the state House for two days. In Austin, Republicans exhibited a deck of cards bearing the lawmakers' pictures -- similar to those issued to U.S. troops to help identify fugitive Iraqi leaders -- and milk cartons bearing the images of the missing lawmakers.

Under House rules, the reapportionment plan would have to be brought to a vote by Thursday in order to pass. Republicans hold 88 seats in the 150-member House.

"They may believe they are clever, but the majority of Texans see them as childish," Texas GOP Chairwoman Sue Weddington said. "And they may believe they are courageous, but the majority of Texans see them as cowards."
 
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