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International Ranch advocates blame NAFTA

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Ranch advocates talk policy, blame NAFTA
By TOM LUTEY
Of The Gazette Staff

Livestock markets are uncompetitive and the North American Free Trade Agreement is to blame, say the ranch advocates from the United States, Canada and Mexico gathered in Billings this week.

The groups, meeting to discuss markets and trade policies, called on the leaders of their countries to renegotiate the 16-year-old, tri-lateral trade agreement.

NAFTA is considered one of the world's more powerful treaties. It eliminated tariffs that made trade between the three North American Countries cost-prohibitive. It also created a way to appeal trade disputes and granted each country most-favored-nation trade status with the others.

The trade agreement also made it possible for large corporations to create cross-border supply and sale lines that hurt consumers and producers, said the ranch advocates gathered in Billings. Alejandro Ramirez Gonzalez, speaking for the Confederation of Mexican Hog Farmers, said by eliminating tariffs, NAFTA has allowed U.S. pork processors to flood Mexican markets with pork. He advocated that Mexico create programs like the newly created Country of Origin Labeling in the U.S., which is intended to identify American products from those imported from Mexico or Canada.

Canadian Neil Peacock said his country would benefit from a labeling program similar to the U.S. one known as COOL. Peacock said they came to the NAFTA meeting, to which the Western Organization of Resource Councils, or WORC, played host, to work on beef policy.

Namely, Peacock and others said they would like to prohibit packing plants from owning the feedlots from which they buy cattle for slaughter. Feedlot owners buy young cattle from ranches and then fatten them up before selling them to slaughterhouses.

The concern about processor ownership of feedlots is that in areas of the country where processors own large feedlots, they're able to set take-it-or-leave-it prices for the cattle they buy. In the West, the concern is growing as Brazilian-based meat processor JBS SA acquires American meat processing facilities and feedlots. Last year, JBS bought feedlots in Texas, Kansas, Idaho and Colorado, which handle about 800,000 cattle at a time. Colorado feedlots are crucial to Montana's cattle industry, which exports 900,000 feeder cattle to feedlots annually for fattening.

President Barack Obama has spoken against processor ownership of feedlots. The groups gathered Friday are hopeful the United States will soon pass laws banning processor feedlot ownership.

Gilles Stockton, speaking for WORC, called on Obama to fix NAFTA and help the beef industry.

"President Obama, renegotiate NAFTA now," Stockton said. "President Obama, JBS must not be allowed to buy more U.S. packers. Stop the mergers now."

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2009/02/14/news/local/39-nafta.txt
 

Kato

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say the ranch advocates from the United States, Canada and Mexico gathered in Billings this week.

Imagine that, advocates for producers in all three countries. :!:
All agreeing. :!:
Working together. :!:

How refreshing. 8)
 

Sandhusker

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Kato said:
say the ranch advocates from the United States, Canada and Mexico gathered in Billings this week.

Imagine that, advocates for producers in all three countries. :!:
All agreeing. :!:
Working together. :!:

How refreshing. 8)

It appears that the started by recognizing who/what was actually causing the problems.
 

Kato

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Do you mean all the problems in the cattle business weren't cause by Canadian cattle trucks driving through Montana? :???: :???: Oh MY! :wink: :wink: :wink:

We've never said we liked NAFTA, we've just always said that agreements that are signed should be honoured. Opening it up again would be fine by us, because there's lots there that can be changed. Things like access to oil and water for a start............ As far as cattle are concerned, at the moment you choose to ignore your side of the agreement anyway, so it's not doing us a lot of good is it?

Were there any representatives from RCALF at the meeting? :p Bet not.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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I'd like to know WHO these ranch advocates are . I see WORC is there, The Confederation of Mexican Hog Farmers, and I did Google that Peacock and only came up with a socialist party candidate.
 

Grassfarmer

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OK as far as I know the conference was organised by the IATP (Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, Minneapolis), and WORC (Western Organization of Resource Councils, North-Central U.S.). Among the attendees were ANEC (Asociación Nacional De Empresas Comercializadoras De Productores Del Campo, Mexico) Canadian NFU, NFU North Dakota, American NFO, US Stockgrowers and R-CALF were invited, don't think R-CALF attended which is a pity as they have done some very good work on captive supply etc .
 
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The conference was sponsored by the National Association of Peasant Marketing Enterprises, National Farmers Union (Canada), Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, Food and Water Watch, and the Western Organization of Resource Councils (WORC).



Other participating organizations included the Confederation of Mexican Hog Farmers, Democratic Peasant Front of Chihuahua; La Jornada del Campo, and National Association of Peasant Marketing Enterprises from Mexico; and the Dakota Resource Council, Dakota Rural Action, Farmers Legal Action Group, Northern Plains Resource Council, and R-CALF USA from the United States.
 

Kato

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It's about time. Working WITH Canadian and Mexican cattle producers is a much better use of their time than trying to target them. Who knows, they may even find that more good can come of co-operating on the real problems, rather than fixating on the perceived ones. 8)
 

cowsense

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Kato............the most that particular assembly of groups can accomplish is a circular firing squad.........we'll wait and see if they decide to point inwards or out!!
 
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For Immediate Release Contact: Shae Dodson, Communications Coordinator
February 17, 2009 Phone: 406-672-8969; e-mail: [email protected]



CEO Participates in Trilateral Trade Conference



Billings, Mont. – Just days ago, R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard participated in a two-day conference hosted by the Western Organization of Resource Councils (WORC) that included representatives of the U.S., Canada and Mexico in discussions of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the negative ramifications the trade agreement has wrought on producers in all three countries, while the multinational corporations in each country have reaped the benefits. Each group’s representatives made it clear that NAFTA should either be eliminated or renegotiated.



“R-CALF was originally viewed as a threat to cattle producers in Canada,” said Neil Peacock, who represented the National Farmers Union of Canada. “There is always misinformation going around, and several years ago, there was the rumor that R-CALF was established by the big packers.



“What has happened is that the mind shift of livestock owners in Canada has turned around,” he continued. “We no longer view R-CALF as a threat because our cattle producers are facing the same challenges as independent U.S. cattle producers. Just like R-CALF members in the U.S., we are fighting the packers, the mega-corporations and the ramifications of NAFTA and the WTO. It would be nice to unite with R-CALF to fight the issues we have in common.”



Jan Slomp, also of the National Farmers Union in Canada, said consumers in all three countries need to be able to know where their beef comes from and be able to support their domestic producers if that is what they wish to do.



“XL/Cargill keeps feeding us this line that R-CALF is just a protectionist organization against everything,” Slomp said. “We’ve been fed this bull about continental integration, that increases in exports will benefit ranchers and farmers, and that’s just not true. We’ve been sucked into this corporate structure that is very, very hard to correct. It’s all about a forced food system now. Trade should not be so complicated. Every nation has the right to look after is own producers.



“Authorities here are influenced by the Cargills and make R-CALF the enemy and try to mobilize all the Canadian ranchers against R-CALF, which is not helpful at all,” he continued. “I can totally understand and defend R-CALF in public now. We need to be allies with R-CALF.”



Dennis Olson, a senior policy analyst at the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) said that promises made by the proponents of NAFTA have not been kept and that new policies are urgently needed.



“As far as NAFTA goes, it’s a failed agreement,” Olson said. “It has not curtailed the growing power of the global meat cartels, both in our livestock markets and in our politics. NAFTA impedes the rights of all three countries to establish their own food and agricultural policies that provide farmers with the cost of production, as long as those policies do not result in the dumping of agricultural commodities into the other markets at below the cost of production. We commit ourselves to building an alternative food system that is designed to make safe, affordable food a higher priority than increasing the profit margins for the global meat cartels.”



Patty Lovera, with Food and Water Watch, said she was at the meeting to talk about how to work together to stop the negative impacts caused by bad trade policies. She also noted that even as prices livestock producers receive continue to go down, retail food prices rarely do, and the result is that consumers do not end up spending less at the meat and dairy case.



“Consumers care about workers, farmers and the environment – all of which are damaged by trade policy that puts corporate controlled trade as its top priority,” she said. “But consumers also are directly impacted when trade policy means they are exposed to unsafe food or lose the ability to know what they are eating, where it is from or how it was processed.



“The growing number of food safety scares, from both domestic and imported food, has made it very clear that regulators are not doing enough to protect consumers,” continued Lovera. “Consumers have no way to influence the governments of other countries on what they do to regulate food safety, but have to live with the consequences of what those governments do, and there must be room in our trade policy for antitrust measures so we can restore competitive markets for producers and prevent a handful of corporations from calling all of the shots about how our food system works.”



R-CALF shared with the producers from Canada and Mexico the work it is doing to prevent the proposed acquisition of National Beef Packing Co. by JBS, the world’s largest beef packer based in Brazil.



“This merger would increase packer concentration to an unprecedented level, resulting in reduced competition that will harm both cattle producers and beef consumers,” said R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard. “We were pleased to learn that Canadian producers support R-CALF’s efforts to prevent further concentration in the meatpacking industry and to eliminate anticompetitive cattle procurement practices going on in each of our countries. We look forward to sharing information with Canadian producers that will help both Canada and the U.S. restore competition for all cattle farmers and ranchers.”
 

Yanuck

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Well I only speak for my family, but I can assure you they do not consider R-CALF as an ally....but thanks for the laugh I needed that today! :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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Kato said:
It's about time. Working WITH Canadian and Mexican cattle producers is a much better use of their time than trying to target them. Who knows, they may even find that more good can come of co-operating on the real problems, rather than fixating on the perceived ones. 8)

R-CALF isn't trying to "target" Canadian or Mexican producers. They're trying to target things that negetively affect the profitability and viability of US producers.
 

S.S.A.P.

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NFU [Peacock and Slomp] do not speak for [all] the Canadian livestock owners. It is rather pompous of them to assume that they do!
I or my family are not NFU members and upon reading that they have chosen R-CALF as an ‘ally’ and ‘will defend them in public’ ~ rest assured that they will never receive our support or membership dues.
 
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S.S.A.P. said:
NFU [Peacock and Slomp] do not speak for [all] the Canadian livestock owners. It is rather pompous of them to assume that they do!
I or my family are not NFU members and upon reading that they have chosen R-CALF as an ‘ally’ and ‘will defend them in public’ ~ rest assured that they will never receive our support or membership dues.

Sounds to me like the NFU folks have figured out where the "real" problem exists in both countries- can see the handwriting on the wall- and realize the enemy isn't the other producers in either country- but rather the multinational Corporates that are playing one side against the other-using the differing countries rules and laws to do it-- and now expanding their big investing out into the global and South American markets to source even cheaper product they can use to bring down US/Canadian cattle prices with...

BOTH countries need M-COOL-- programs using their checkoffs to promote their own Domestic beef- and a packer ban on ownership of cattle...
 

S.S.A.P.

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Oldtimer said:
..... and realize the enemy isn't the other producers in either country...

Cut the crap Richard - show me anything from the R-CALF web site that welcomes imports of Canadian cattle or beef.
 
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S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
..... and realize the enemy isn't the other producers in either country...

Cut the crap Richard - show me anything from the R-CALF web site that welcomes imports of Canadian cattle or beef.

Oh I've long said- and I think R-CALF has too-- quit allowing the Packers to ride on the US product name that US producers built-- label it ALL to the consumer, so they can make an informed decision- and then I don't have that big a problem...

And from what I'm hearing tonight- that appears as tho is what is going to happen :D
 

Tex

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Oldtimer said:
S.S.A.P. said:
NFU [Peacock and Slomp] do not speak for [all] the Canadian livestock owners. It is rather pompous of them to assume that they do!
I or my family are not NFU members and upon reading that they have chosen R-CALF as an ‘ally’ and ‘will defend them in public’ ~ rest assured that they will never receive our support or membership dues.

Sounds to me like the NFU folks have figured out where the "real" problem exists in both countries- can see the handwriting on the wall- and realize the enemy isn't the other producers in either country- but rather the multinational Corporates that are playing one side against the other-using the differing countries rules and laws to do it-- and now expanding their big investing out into the global and South American markets to source even cheaper product they can use to bring down US/Canadian cattle prices with...

BOTH countries need M-COOL-- programs using their checkoffs to promote their own Domestic beef- and a packer ban on ownership of cattle...

The Packers and Stockyards Act should not only be enforced here (where it is not) but also with imports that any company brings in. I hate to see companies sell out the markets of the home country they rely on for supplies just because they can "compete" by cheating producers in other countries. We need to have a fair playing field not controlled by those with market power.

The USDA should not have the authority to enforce the Packers and Stockyards Act because they have shown over and over again that they can not do it. That authority should be taken away from them and the upper management at USDA who was hired to do the job needs to be fired or tell who in Congress/executive branch is keeping them from doing their job by interfering in the process of regulatory enforcement.

Our government has failed us and the reward for failing needs to be that someone loses their job and has to find another one.
 

Sandhusker

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S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
..... and realize the enemy isn't the other producers in either country...

Cut the crap Richard - show me anything from the R-CALF web site that welcomes imports of Canadian cattle or beef.

Why would they? Would Ford welcome a new GM dealship next door? Would Burger King welcome a McDonalds across the street? Of course not. Every GM car bought is a lost sale for Ford and every Big Mac is a lost sale of a Whopper just as every foreign sourced beef sold in this country is a lost sale of US producers. Lost sales are lost profits, why would any group welcome that?
 

Tex

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Sandhusker said:
S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
..... and realize the enemy isn't the other producers in either country...

Cut the crap Richard - show me anything from the R-CALF web site that welcomes imports of Canadian cattle or beef.

Why would they? Would Ford welcome a new GM dealship next door? Would Burger King welcome a McDonalds across the street? Of course not. Every GM car bought is a lost sale for Ford and every Big Mac is a lost sale of a Whopper just as every foreign sourced beef sold in this country is a lost sale of US producers. Lost sales are lost profits, why would any group welcome that?

ask mrj.
 
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