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Iran Prediction

aplusmnt

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Got a prediction for the situation in Iran.

Israel is not like the rest of the world. They truly recognize how evil the Muslim Radicals are and how determined they are. So I think since Iran will not back down from its Nuke Program Israel will be doing some bombing in the near future.

I think they realize how the past election is going to affect the United States policies in the region. And before the Dem's can pull out all our troops they will go ahead and Bomb Iranian nuke sites. Israel will realize that once they do this the U.S. will have no choice but to align along with them.

I think they will do it before we pull troops because they need the stability we offer by occupying Iraq.

Since the Dem's say they will push to start pulling troops within 4-6 months I think this will be the time frame for the bombing.

It might be possible that we are involved in it from the forefront but also possible Iran will do it with out our official support.

One thing you have to respect about Israel is that they do not take much crap. They nip it in the bud as Barney would say.
 

Red Robin

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I think if we pull out, iran will invade iraq . I kind of agree with you A+ about Israel bombing iran. If I was them , I would.
 

RoperAB

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Iran's facilities are at the extreme ends of Israel's range, too dispersed to guarantee anything but minor setbacks to its program, and in many cases too buried to be affected by Israeli conventional weapons (see Dave Schuler's excellent article for a map of some required routes). As the Federation of American Scientists notes, even nukes offer no guarantees. Worse, even limited nuclear attacks would create a deadly enemy among Iranians at large, one bent on future reply even if the mullahs were to fall.
One might recall the ancient Persian proverb: "one does not wound a king."
Which leaves ending Iran as Israel's only real option. As I've stated before, a broad Israeli nuclear attack on Iran would essentially end Israel anyway by leaving it in an unsustainable and untenable global position, its alliance with America damaged terribly and its important economic markets in Europe closed to it. That is a recipe for defeat in the medium term, let alone the long term. As such, I strongly believe that a nuclear strike will not be conducted pre-emptively. Instead, it will be saved as part of a "Samson Option" response.
I'll add that if the Israelis ever do decide they're finished and proceed to pull down the temple, Iran won't die alone. To restrict the retaliation to Iran would be to make Rasfanjani's boast - that the heart of Islam would live on while Israel would not - true. It would, with a stroke, legitimize Iran's entire end-times calculus. It would also fly in the face of long-stated Israeli policy that vows to leave the entire Middle East in nuclear ashes. Got solar?
Just so everyone understands the stakes, here. And as I've pointed out before, this whole thing could easily be set off by something as simple as a software glitch.
Tom, Trent, and others also believe the USA has the will to act. I don't. Perhaps a united America with strong and persuasive leadership, resolute in war and without an internal fifth column, could do it. But, to borrow a phrase, you go to war with the country you have. Not the one you wish you had. Dave Schuler does a great job outlining the present "options," none of which are likely to be effective. Force, of whatever kind (N.B. armed subversion is also force) is the only thing that will stop the mullahs now.
Despite recent brave talk of American capacity from the Secretary of the Army, the brute fact is that the US does not have this on anything resembling a sustainable basis. The failure to decalre war and mobilize after 9/11, in order to make the stakes clear and create a strategic reserve for action, has become the defining strategic mistake of the Global War on Terror phase. It is likely too late to reverse that mistake in time. Should the USA act now, therefore, it will have to be with every scrap of the reserve forces it has left for other contingencies, and then some - and everyone in the world will know it. With predictable consequences.
 

RoperAB

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My preferred option for a strike would be to end Iran's oil and gas distribution capabilities, destroy its power infrastructure (critical for nuclear efforts), keep those things down, and hit what targets one can among the weapons programs. Let their economy collapse, let the Europeans and Chinese feel the price of their inaction and encouragement as oil spikes, and promise the Iranians massive reconstruction aid and help if they'll only overthrow the mullahs and renounce their pursuit of nuclear weapons.
In response to a Hobbesian choice forced on me, I would offer one of my own to the Iranians. Starve in the dark (already closer than one would think for many there, hence prostitution through the roof and other indicators), lose all you have earned (hits the critical Bazaari class), or take the risk and be free and we'll help you. Your call. Meanwhile, lack of power and oil makes it kind of hard to run a weapons program.
There is no one in the world who can stop America if it chooses to do this.
Not Russia, pure opportunists who will not even impair their commercial relations, let alone go to war over this.
Not China, who lacks any meaningful capacity to act here and can't afford to lose face with a very public failure, can't slow the economic growth it needs to keep its population happy (to which US trade is the #1 contributor), and may see investment and influence opportunities in the aftermath.
Not the hollow men of Europe, who have no real chips to bargain with either of cooperation or sanction. Even a trade war is not a wise thing for any politician who wants to remain elected, given Europe's already-high unemployment and low-growth economies.
Not the Saudis and oil producers, who need the currency flow to keep their own populations in line and pay debt and who must, therefore, keep sales into the (non-divisible) global market high. Yes, even El Caudillo Chavez - why do you think he's the USA's #5 oil supplier now?
As for any terrorist attacks elsewhere, they're unfortunate but acceptable wartime casualties against a mad and unprincipled enemy who refuses to fight in the manner of men. The the price of inaction, after all, is the likelihood of much larger future casualties at a level that truly is unacceptable.
Attacking the Mullahs: Evaluating Tom's Choice
Tom chooses invasion, though I suspect his "standing start" option includes most of what I have above. Likewise, I expect that his escalation would halt if the warm-up approach worked. The thing is, if my kind of outline doesn't work, then his kind of plan is necessary. There can be no stopping half-way once this starts.
So it's in for a penny, in for a pound. Action against Iran would have to plan and prepare for Tom's option, even if one believed lesser measures like the ones mentioned above would work.
In terms of Tom & Trent's assessment, therefore...
I think it's a fantasy to expect anything other than a sustained terrorist campaign from the moment US forces cross the border. There are far, far too many of them in place. Legions have trained there and lived for quite some time, with a level of infrastructure and state support that Saddam never came close to matching. Iran can also rely on reliable proxies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, the Palestinian Anarchy... and, in the judgment of a number of counter-terror experts, the United States.

In terms of the immediate military operation, this will be costly. Likely bearable, but the mountainous areas of Iran could create real trouble and holdups, and one must expect that. Ultimately, however, I concur with Trent and Tom that it would not stave off the defeat of the Iranian regime. Iran has two of every military branch, with one made up entirely of zealots (including even its air force), but they cannot stop the Americans if the US goal is to strike rather than occupy. Meanwhile, the regular Iranian Army would be very likely to pull a Saddam's Army Act by disintegrating and going home.
The trained terrorist factor does have one important corollary, however: if the US does move to invade Iran, an occupation or reconstruction would border on insanity. To believe anything else is, in my opinion, delusional. The US would face a security situation whose size and intensity would far outstrip Iraq. It does not have the forces required for that, and may not be able to get them in time even on a declaration of war/ full war footing.
Therefore, it must not play that game.
Instead, the game is fast, full-on war. The USA's stated goals should be to kill as many members of the Iranian regime and governing apparatus as possible (yes, their deaths are a secondary war goal - one does not leave such people alive to try again), terminate the regime, head straight for the locations relevant to the program, clean them out, stay about a month or two to gather intelligence and make sure, then go home. I'd even recommend announcing this shortly after operations begin, since the explicit purpose of this war and situation on the ground are very different from Iraq.

The state of Iranian society is ultimately their problem, not the USA's. The US made Iraq its problem because it chose to as part of a larger strategy, not because it had to. If one believes that was a mistake, then the USA must not repeat it. If one believes that it wasn't, then the facts on the ground remain and replicating it in Iran is not possible. Finally, one may note Iran could not possibly become a worse terrorist haven and base of support than it already is. As such, no possible end-state outcome is worse from America's perspective.
Absent either the capability or a compelling rationale, America needs to be absent from any long post-war phases in Iran.
This would sharply limit the costs and commitment involved in US action, while making the global lesson to others loud and clear. Indeed, this would be far scarier than the invasion of Iraq - because if the USA is happy to just kick down your door, break you, and leave, there really is no Third World tyrant's response that works.
Reality Bites: Armageddon Calling
Do I believe any of this will happen? No.
We are not now that strength which in the old days moved earth and heaven. That which we are, we are. And nothing short of repeated, mega-scale tragedy is likely to change that.
Can we avoid war, then? No.
It takes only one to fight, and Iran made its choice long ago. As a Middle Eastern Forum article notes: "Political problems can be resolved through diplomacy, but the ideological underpinnings of a hostile regime cannot." That has not changed, indeed has intensified, and so there will be war. The only question remaining is when, of what nature, and on whose terms.
Whether we like it or not. Indeed, whether we acknowledge it or not. The Forever War is not about us. The only part that is about us is our choice: do we choose victory, or commence our civilization's end at whatever pace fortune exacts? As regards Islamofascism and the current parlous state of our civilization, there exists no middle ground.
The key question of our time is not whether we wish to be at war with the Islamic world. It is whether the Islamic world, or large elements within it, wish to be at war with us. As they have chosen to be at war with so many others. Belmont Club:
"And that message, surprisingly, is that we must love one another or die. J. Robert Oppenheimer thought, as he beheld the fireball of the first atomic test at Alamogordo, that he heard the Hindu god Shiva whisper "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds". He understood at that moment that mankind's moral capacity would have to expand to match its technical prowess or it would perish. If Islam desires the secret of the stars it must embrace the kuffar [JK: unbeliever] as its brother -- or die."
Are there enough of their Muslim compatriots who are prepared to stand up and avert the Grand War, judging the risk of inaction to be greater? Are there enough of us, on this side of the war, to act in time? Or do we all face The Islamic War - either now, or soon, or in an even worse future where a nuclear shield for Islamofascism enables something even more troubling?
I do not know.
As regards Iran, however, I do know this: the sword will be drawn. The only questions left as whose, and when, and where.
 

aplusmnt

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There is lots of theories at to what Iran's capabilities are and what they are willing to do. They bombed Iraq back in the 80's and survived it so bombing another Muslim country is not necessarily a death sentence to them.

The question is How would the Air force refuel to get back from the attack? Could they find a stop along the way. Or maybe U.S. would help in this regards as long as we are in Iraq then this could be their refueling point. Even if the U.S. stays out of the actual bombing of Nuke facilities they surely would allow Israel planes to land for refueling.

Also if you notice Bush is doing a lot of traveling in near future to powerful nations like China and Russia and just met with Israel leader which could be much like before Iraq he is setting things up for the Iran bombing.

Found this interesting.

UNITED NATIONS, Nov 15 (Reuters) - Iran, whose president has vowed to wipe Israel off the map, complained to the United Nations on Wednesday that the Jewish state was repeatedly threatening to bomb it.

Sounds like a little cry baby, if he wants to get it on with Israel so bad why does he not welcome a little fight then?
 

RoperAB

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I dont think the Jews will do it because they dont have the conventual capabilities to make any real difference with their limited air strikes. Iran is much different now than in the 80s.

<<They bombed Iran back in the 80's and survived it so bombing another Muslim country is not necessarily a death sentence to them.>>

If they use nukes it will be different.

<<Also if you notice Bush is doing a lot of traveling>>

I have no idea what he is up to. Look at the talk of getting Iran and Syria envolved in the rebuilding of Iraq. That makes no sense to me.

If Israel started a war with Iran im not even sure we would back them? Without U.S. support, Israel is screwed.
 

aplusmnt

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RoperAB said:
If Israel started a war with Iran im not even sure we would back them? Without U.S. support, Israel is screwed.

I think we would because I think we will be doing it our self soon anyway. I think the Iran president is basically a Suicide bomber he will die trying to give Iran Nukes. And I do not think the U.S. will allow it. And I am for sure Israel will not. The man has said Israel should be wiped off the earth. They see another Hitler sitting there and they will do something about it, even if they have to use the Nukes that they have.
 

Ally

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Israel can't fight without the US behind them as we support them in the military means. It will our way of letting them throw the first punch @ Iran....if it happens.
 

Work Hard and Study Hard

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aplusmnt said:
RoperAB said:
If Israel started a war with Iran im not even sure we would back them? Without U.S. support, Israel is screwed.

I think we would because I think we will be doing it our self soon anyway. I think the Iran president is basically a Suicide bomber he will die trying to give Iran Nukes. And I do not think the U.S. will allow it. And I am for sure Israel will not. The man has said Israel should be wiped off the earth. They see another Hitler sitting there and they will do something about it, even if they have to use the Nukes that they have.


Great idea, let's just be in a constant state of war with the entire middle east. All we've accomplished is to replace one dictatorship with another and now we're paying for it. I just wonder how you right wing wackos plan to finance the policing of the entire world.
 

Hanta Yo

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Great idea, let's just be in a constant state of war with the entire middle east. All we've accomplished is to replace one dictatorship with another and now we're paying for it. I just wonder how you right wing wackos plan to finance the policing of the entire world.


Again, Work Hard and Study Hard, you need to Work Harder and Study Harder to get it right.

Did anyone watch the Glen Beck show yesterday regarding what is really happening in the middle East? Wake UP AMERICA!!!

They are OUT TO KILL US THEY HATE US!!! They will MAKE ARMEGEDDON HAPPEN!!!!

We pull out, the leftist Islamists will follow us to our borders and do more of 911. DON'T YOU GET IT???!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :evil: :evil:
 

Faster horses

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Hanta, I missed that show, but I went to Glennbeck.com and listened
to it just now.

Very frightening. Their thinking is non-existent. They live what they
have been taught. It's not their thinking, it is their CULTURE,
their way of life. What Mohammand said in answer to Glenn Becks questions were no answers at all. He was backed into a corner several times only to 'dummy' his way out.

Everyone on here needs to listen to that dialogue. It's free and
it doesn't take very long.

What fools we have in this country to think they are going to be able
to deal with these people in any other means but violence. It is totally
all they understand.

I have been listening to Glenn Beck for some time now. He doesn't worry
about being 'politically correct.' He puts things together so they are very
easy to understand.

We need to be VERY AFRAID in this country.

BTW, he is not on Fox News, he is on HNN.
 

aplusmnt

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Work Hard and Study Hard said:
aplusmnt said:
RoperAB said:
If Israel started a war with Iran im not even sure we would back them? Without U.S. support, Israel is screwed.

I think we would because I think we will be doing it our self soon anyway. I think the Iran president is basically a Suicide bomber he will die trying to give Iran Nukes. And I do not think the U.S. will allow it. And I am for sure Israel will not. The man has said Israel should be wiped off the earth. They see another Hitler sitting there and they will do something about it, even if they have to use the Nukes that they have.


Great idea, let's just be in a constant state of war with the entire middle east. All we've accomplished is to replace one dictatorship with another and now we're paying for it. I just wonder how you right wing wackos plan to finance the policing of the entire world.

World War I and II were a lot more serious war in the sense of how many troops and how many lives were lost. Well this war on terror might have to be like that, yea at war with whoever in the Middle east needs to be. Seems like in the other World Wars we were fighting more than one country and this one will probably need to be that same way.

We have two major things that need to be done. We need to tighten up boarders at home, we need to watch or get rid of any Muslim groups in this country that preach against us. If they do not like America than get out. And we need to not worry about their civil liberties we need to kick their butts out.

Then over seas we need to cripple any country that state sponsors Terrorist such as Iran, Syria and Palestine. We need to make it so there is nothing they can do to us but throw Sticks and rocks, and they will be more worried about surviving themselves than sending people over here to terrorize us. If we need to Nuke Iran so they can not Nuke us or israel in the future then we need to do it. If we need to drop some Nukes on North Korea then we need to do it.

Something has to be done or it might not be Armageddon because that only God controls but it might turn out we live in total anarchy because of the damage the Muslim Nations did to us. How you like 70% unemployment violent crimes, people killing for a loaf of bread. Let Iran get Nukes and one day they will find a way to get them here to set off in our cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, and then watch the Anarchy start.

We posses nukes but we are not wiping Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Syria off the face of the planet. But if they get them they would wipe us off the planet. It is not like dealing with Russia or China who would way out the consequences of using Nukes on us, knowing we would nuke them back. Iran president does not care, he would view nuking us or Israel as one big Suicide bomb that would lead him to heaven to live with his new virgin wives.

Biggest problem Liberals have is they do not think people are evil, they think there is good in all people. They think you can reason with everyone the way they could be reasoned with. And they have no understanding of Religious conviction that supersedes all else. There is Religious people that will sacrafice everything for their convictions. Look at a Jehovah Witness that would deny blood transfusions to their Children even if it means death, their are thousands of them that have did this. Muslims will sacrafice their Families, their life and their entire countries life for what they believe is a command from Muhammad to either convert unbelievers, make them your slave or kill them.

This is in the Koran it is not just a radical view it is plainly stated that this is what they should do to all unbelievers. Bin Laden is not a radical he is just a good zealous Muslim.
 

RoperAB

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aplusmnt said:
RoperAB said:
If Israel started a war with Iran im not even sure we would back them? Without U.S. support, Israel is screwed.

I think we would because I think we will be doing it our self soon anyway. I think the Iran president is basically a Suicide bomber he will die trying to give Iran Nukes. And I do not think the U.S. will allow it. And I am for sure Israel will not. The man has said Israel should be wiped off the earth. They see another Hitler sitting there and they will do something about it, even if they have to use the Nukes that they have.

Aplus I dont like it, but look at how divided people are on this forum. In real life people are even more divided about what to do. Problem is that most people simple dont understand.
Around the world most nations dont trust the United States. Within America and around the world a lot of people hate Israel for different percieved reasons. Really I wish I could be as sure as you that the United States would back Israel if they attacked Iran but I have real doubts about it.
I think the reality is that unless NATO wakes up and supplies at least another 30,000 troops in Afghanistan so we can occupy land that was already won and secure the borders. Nothing is going to change in that country. Nomatter what is done we are still going to be there for many years to come or it was all for nothing.
In Iraq something drastic has to be done. Millions of muslims have to die and the west doesnt have the guts for it.
In the gulf region its not crazy to say that within the next 15 years millions of muslims are going to die regardless of what the west does. The question is how many Americans will have to die before something is done?
Will it take a dirty bomb in New York City to wake Americans up?
I have to laugh at the CBC in Canada. These ultra liberals were always anti war until the Canadian government undercovered a bomb plot by muslims to blow them up. Haha For several months after that the CBC was pro war. Now they have slipped back to their hippi ways :(
Anyway chance are that even in 2008 with Hillary in power we will still be fighting a limited war like we have been over there.
Mean while there will be more and more nuclear arab states until the enevitable happens and Alqada gets their hands on one and follows through with its promise to nuke the United States.
Then we will fight from a weaker position than what we have now.
The only thing that gives me any hope is that I know how dead set against war Americans were before WW2. There is nothing new about protesters. Despite this when the public was finally educated the people answered the call. However people trusted and respected their government a lot more back then.
You know their is nothing new about Super Powers. In the last 2500 years there have been many of them. They all self destruct or are defeated. To many Americans have it to good and have a very false sense of security. Canadians as well.
IMO if for nothing else than social engineering we need compulsary military service for all citizens.
 

aplusmnt

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RoperAB said:
aplusmnt said:
RoperAB said:
If Israel started a war with Iran im not even sure we would back them? Without U.S. support, Israel is screwed.

I think we would because I think we will be doing it our self soon anyway. I think the Iran president is basically a Suicide bomber he will die trying to give Iran Nukes. And I do not think the U.S. will allow it. And I am for sure Israel will not. The man has said Israel should be wiped off the earth. They see another Hitler sitting there and they will do something about it, even if they have to use the Nukes that they have.

Aplus I dont like it, but look at how divided people are on this forum. In real life people are even more divided about what to do. Problem is that most people simple dont understand.
Around the world most nations dont trust the United States. Within America and around the world a lot of people hate Israel for different percieved reasons. Really I wish I could be as sure as you that the United States would back Israel if they attacked Iran but I have real doubts about it.
I think the reality is that unless NATO wakes up and supplies at least another 30,000 troops in Afghanistan so we can occupy land that was already won and secure the borders. Nothing is going to change in that country. Nomatter what is done we are still going to be there for many years to come or it was all for nothing.
In Iraq something drastic has to be done. Millions of muslims have to die and the west doesnt have the guts for it.
In the gulf region its not crazy to say that within the next 15 years millions of muslims are going to die regardless of what the west does. The question is how many Americans will have to die before something is done?
Will it take a dirty bomb in New York City to wake Americans up?
I have to laugh at the CBC in Canada. These ultra liberals were always anti war until the Canadian government undercovered a bomb plot by muslims to blow them up. Haha For several months after that the CBC was pro war. Now they have slipped back to their hippi ways :(
Anyway chance are that even in 2008 with Hillary in power we will still be fighting a limited war like we have been over there.
Mean while there will be more and more nuclear arab states until the enevitable happens and Alqada gets their hands on one and follows through with its promise to nuke the United States.
Then we will fight from a weaker position than what we have now.
The only thing that gives me any hope is that I know how dead set against war Americans were before WW2. There is nothing new about protesters. Despite this when the public was finally educated the people answered the call. However people trusted and respected their government a lot more back then.
You know their is nothing new about Super Powers. In the last 2500 years there have been many of them. They all self destruct or are defeated. To many Americans have it to good and have a very false sense of security. Canadians as well.
IMO if for nothing else than social engineering we need compulsary military service for all citizens.

Good Post!

I think you are right one day millions of Muslims will have to die. Just the liberals will let it be after we are hit, much like 911.

After we are hit I am sure American leaders will realize that you can not fight a conventional-civilized war against barbarous enemies.

And Much like the bombings of Cities in Germany and the Atomic bombs dropped in Japan. America will be forced to result to uncivilized war fare and millions of Muslims will die.

It is just a shame that they will wait until we have been hit first, just like Clinton did with Al Qaeda.

I hope that Iran does do something and whatever they do pushed the hands of America to do what is truly in our best interest even if the Liberals like it or not.
 

Work Hard and Study Hard

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Here we are, where we didn't want to be and now nobody knows what to do. First off we should have let sleeping dogs lie or at least have a plan, (Which we didn't). Secondly we can't pull out now, like many want to do. It really pisses me off that this idiot Bush got us into this war but you can't change history now. We have upset the fragile balance of the middle east to the point where every move now is more critical now than ever. The only answer that I can think of is to add 150,000 more troops for a six month period and crush the insurgents to the point where a half assed democracy can take hold. I don't know what is happening with the Iraqi troops that are supposed to be ready, 2 years is more than enough time to get them ready.
 

Steve

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The only answer that I can think of is to add 150,000 more troops for a six month period and crush the insurgents to the point where a half assed democracy can take hold.

at least I can agree with you on one point....
 

Steve

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Yeah...throw more (U.S )bodies on top of bodies....that'll fix'em....them insurgents!!!!

based on your assumption we would have to lose....

...I have faith our troops will win.......
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Yeah...throw more (U.S )bodies on top of bodies....that'll fix'em....them insurgents!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kolo.......tell you what, I would like to invite you to please give us a detailed explanation as to how we should handle things in Iraq and why you feel that way.

I would also like to invite you to please give us a detailed explanation as to How we should handle all these thousands if not Millions of Muslim fanatics all over the middle east that become euphoric at the thought of dragging my 9 year old's dead body through the streets?

So far All I ever hear you say is how stupid Bush is how stupid we are bla bla bla. Just like Liberal Politician run on all the bad the Conservatives are and all the bad things wrong in the U.S. but they offer no plans to fix them.

I could write ten pages of ideas on what I think has gone wrong, gone right with our Middle East policy. I could go on for hours typing suggestive idea that might help solve some of the problems in the Middle East. Why we should be at war, why we should not.

I would like for you to just give us one good thread of how to solve what has gone wrong and how to get rid of the future threat we have hanging over us. Please educate us on what Bush should be doing, tell us what would you do if you were president?

Ask these questions to any conservative in office or on this board and they will give you some rock solid suggestions. I would love once for a liberal to not whine and give some constructive suggestions.

I will anxiously await your thoughtful and intelligent ideas on this serious matter facing our country!

And before you answer the question Kolo if you want to get an idea of the kind of people you will be dealing with go to this link and look at the picture of the Dead soldier and how the kids and people look like it is Christmas morning as they play with his burnt body.

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/pictures033104.html
 

kolanuraven

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a-minus....do some research on this site...I've posted my solutions/suggestions several times, I don't like to repeat myself.

And on the ' dead soldier' aspect,your timing on that is pretty sharp......Now not seeking sympathy mind you....but yesterday late I got back 3 of my Care packages I had sent to Afghanistan. In HUGE red letters above the address it said KIA.

A letter was attached...one of my guys, the main conatct person for the squad, was killed in a IED outside Kabul and the squad returned the packages to me.

Don't have to show me pics/video on the internet that have been screened.....I get plenty and that's the VERY reason we need to get out. If those kids had been home.....they'd be alive today and happy productive people living out their lives with their families.
 
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