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Iran Prediction

Econ101

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RoperAB said:
I dont know why this thread has turned into a lets attack Kola thread? Who is Ally? Anyway I dont believe Kola is on side with the Islamofacist or that she is a John Kerry, Michael Moore's or Cindy Sheehan type. Really I dont agree with Econ on most things either but I dont think he is the enemy or on side with the enemy either.
Honestly I dont think many people read these threads anyway, just us, so it really doesnt matter what we post for the most part. Its not like Joe Public is going to be swayed by what we write.
Take it easy everyone :)

I agree, Roper, and thanks for disagreeing with me respectfully. We all have a viewpoint to share and even those we disagree with have something to offer.

I grew up with 4 brothers and we could disagree on everything and argue it. Funny thing is, sometimes the more we argued over it the more the positions turned upside down.
 

memanpa

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kolanuraven said:
Ahhh...now we're the spelling police!!! Ally is my life long friend and we're victims of the same school system. To be honest I didn't appreciate her post cause it's opened up this mess.

She's gone home to her family and said this was the nuttiest bunch she'd come across....at first I laughed...but she's prob on to something. IF I was a smart as her I'd told ya'll kiss my arse long ago.....but I can't it seems.

sw...I support your son and several more young people in Iraq...this you've known for some time now. I don't support the man who sent them over there...he's an ego monger who's put a target on your son's back along with others. What I do is to try to make things a bit easier for them. If you'd like I shall not wait on the new address from your or your son.

On your question if I have lost anyone close to me in this war. YES....4 so far. In fact, one I practically raised as my own for over 15 yrs was killed at the VERY beginning of all this. If some of you will remember back it was mentioned once....then I learned REAL quick that didn't qualify to high standads of some here.

In a nutshell....I don't care what you think....I'll do as I please and will continue to do so .

Honestly I'm not sure that we even have that many " heros' of war on this forum anyway. They seem to brag WAY WAY too much on their oath for life....felt the ground shake.....saw blood gush... ANYONE who's been around a vet that's been anywhere other than behind a desk KNOWS that those hard core guys NEVER speak of what they've seen. So now I'm beginning to think we've got war movie buffs on here.


strange that you say that vets NEVER speak of what they have seen or done!!
at the V.A. hospitial where i do vol work it is encouraged to speak about your experences. but then i suppose the DOCTORS that reccomend doing this are nothing more than quacks. some of the vets i talk to and work with are HARD CORE even more that i was, so kolo you might want to do a little more research on some of the things you say!!
some of thes vets are ww2 korea nam gulf afgan iraq

have a lovely thanksgiving
 

Econ101

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I haven't said a lot about this topic because I don't really know where I stand on the issue. I know the leader of Iran is a real kook and possibly one of the most dangerous men on the planet. If Israel is attacked with nuclear weapons, I know there would be a price to pay by both Israel and if not then hopefully by the U.S. This is the only thing that will keep it from happening.

That being said, I have to say that my two youngest kids were taken care of by a former school teacher from Tehran who was really good with them. She escaped from Tehran after the fall of the Shah. They have family in Iran and they definitely are not of the radical Muslim sect although they practice the religion. Her husband was in the air force for Iran before the fall.

I also went to school with a girl whose uncle was in charge of all the military forces under the Shah. She showed us a picture of her uncle in Time magazine, I believe, and he was in a morgue riddled with bullets.

The radical religious took control of Iran during a rapid change of modernization the Shah provided. Many people were resentful of the changes under the Shah partly because they were scared of it.

The best chance of change in Iran will come from within. There are a lot of oppressed people in Iran and they are embracing the modern world and rejecting the religious zealots in power. The best chance of change is with them. Israel has been used as a tool in the Arab world much as Iraq is being used as a tool in the U.S.

Iran is a much bigger nation than Iraq and if we are having trouble with Iraq, we would never do well as an outside force in Iran. It would only allow the mullahs to unite the people out of fear against us. Change must come from within, and given enough time, it will.

Our dependence on foreign oil and lack of a good energy policy in the U.S. has given considerable resources to the government of Iran to use against us and the moderate elements in Iran. Iran is increasingly coming under the sphere of influence of China who wants their oil.

It is pretty scary.

I could see that China would threaten the U.S. and friends if we escalated things with on the nuclear front with Iran because of a nuclear strike against Israel in the form of a missile or a terrorist bomb smuggled in.

The world is definitely a more dangerous place. With this danger we have to be real careful. Much more careful than we have been with Iraq.
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
She's gone home to her family and said this was the nuttiest bunch she'd come across....
I'd say we're a decent bunch. I'd also say that the farmers and ranchers here represent the backbone of our society. Ranchers are naturally conservative . If Ally or you are looking for a forum that is sympathetic to liberal ideas , this might not be too fun of a bunch. If you like to talk , joke, share ideas or compare cattle, horses, and stories with the people from flyover country, this is a good place to be.
 

RoperAB

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Econ101 said:
I haven't said a lot about this topic because I don't really know where I stand on the issue. I know the leader of Iran is a real kook and possibly one of the most dangerous men on the planet. If Israel is attacked with nuclear weapons, I know there would be a price to pay by both Israel and if not then hopefully by the U.S. This is the only thing that will keep it from happening.

That being said, I have to say that my two youngest kids were taken care of by a former school teacher from Tehran who was really good with them. She escaped from Tehran after the fall of the Shah. They have family in Iran and they definitely are not of the radical Muslim sect although they practice the religion. Her husband was in the air force for Iran before the fall.

I also went to school with a girl whose uncle was in charge of all the military forces under the Shah. She showed us a picture of her uncle in Time magazine, I believe, and he was in a morgue riddled with bullets.

The radical religious took control of Iran during a rapid change of modernization the Shah provided. Many people were resentful of the changes under the Shah partly because they were scared of it.

The best chance of change in Iran will come from within. There are a lot of oppressed people in Iran and they are embracing the modern world and rejecting the religious zealots in power. The best chance of change is with them. Israel has been used as a tool in the Arab world much as Iraq is being used as a tool in the U.S.

Iran is a much bigger nation than Iraq and if we are having trouble with Iraq, we would never do well as an outside force in Iran. It would only allow the mullahs to unite the people out of fear against us. Change must come from within, and given enough time, it will.

Our dependence on foreign oil and lack of a good energy policy in the U.S. has given considerable resources to the government of Iran to use against us and the moderate elements in Iran. Iran is increasingly coming under the sphere of influence of China who wants their oil.

It is pretty scary.

I could see that China would threaten the U.S. and friends if we escalated things with on the nuclear front with Iran because of a nuclear strike against Israel in the form of a missile or a terrorist bomb smuggled in.

The world is definitely a more dangerous place. With this danger we have to be real careful. Much more careful than we have been with Iraq.

I watched I guess what you would call a documentary about Iran I few months ago. Basically they were in Tehran talking to ordinary people. The jest of the show was that all classes of people for the most part just wanted a better standard of living. Thats what got their current nut job elected. He was elected on opening the borders to trade and improving the economy. Like even the rich upper class in Iran cant buy much right now because there is nothing much in the stores to buy. Most cared little about Israel or wanting to go to war.
Anyway I guess it all depends on what information you believe. Im not sure that I believed that documentary but if its true change could come from within Iran.
This would be the best option by far!
It might also be able to be helped along by keeping trade restrictions on them and by possible bombing there oil facilitys when there government starts beating the war drums.
Hit them in the pocket book!!!!!
But like you said it would have to be thought out and done carefully so that the people dont support their government because they see America as a bigger threat.
 

RoperAB

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Red Robin said:
I'd also say that the farmers and ranchers here represent the backbone of our society. Ranchers are naturally conservative . If you like to talk , joke, share ideas or compare cattle, horses, and stories with the people from flyover country, this is a good place to be.

You really think that most on here are ranch hands/ranchers? A lot on here <horse/cattle threads>sure sound a lot different than anybody I know in real life.
 

Econ101

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Where else has the promises of free trade been pushed by the leadership?

The big problem is that the promises don't usually materialize. China is the biggest supplier of international goods to the U.S. The pres. of Iraq knows this and knows a strategic alliance with them is in his own best interest---not the western world's.

China has begun a strategic step in securing future energy supplies just as we have. Iran is crucial to their plans and will be used by them. China has the goods and Iran has the money (from oil). China was stopped from buying U.S. oil companies from the "free market". This is their next step.

It is important to know that we did not win Vietnam because of China. They seek a similar check mate if it ever gets that far with Iran.

Its all about the games the big boys play.

For the next 50 years, it will be all about exploiting world energy supplies.

We need a real energy policy in the United States. You would have thought that Cheney would have promoted a Manhatten like project on it.

I guess he helped choose Iraq for a few reasons.

Roper, most people in the civilized world are like you and I. They want the same things we want. Their leaders are real similar to our leaders also.
 

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