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Iran

Sandhusker

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Does anybody think Obama is handling the Iran deal correctly?

I think he's missing a huge opportunity. That country has been causing us a lot of problems for many years, and he now has a chance to present the US in a favorable light to a new regime and to it's people, and he's dropping the ball.

Even if there wasn't something to be gained by a revolution over there, aren't we supposed to be in favor of the people rising up against tyranical government no matter where?
 

kolanuraven

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I think he's doing just what is needed.

Let Iran take care of their own business.

We've been seen as the "nosey neighbor" way too long.

We don't need to start chest thumpin' and snot slinging like the last admn., as that's how we got Ahmadinejad elected!!


This is surely a " hide and watch" situation right now?
 

Sandhusker

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Lately, Iran's "business" has been funding terrorism via Hezbollah, killing our troops in Iraq, saying that Israel needs to be wiped off the map, engaging in the process needed to make nuclear weapons, etc.....

I don't like that regime. That is a very, very, dangerous regime and they have OUR soldier's blood on their hands. If they can be overthrown by their own people, it is certainly in our best interests to help them. We don't need to send in planes or tanks, we just need to offer verbal encouragement and support.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
We only see what he is doing publicly and as kola said, he is being cautious. Us intervening publicly would be counter productive. As to what he is or isn't doing behind the scenes, well, you may never know. That's how the more important changes happen through either quiet diplomacy or other more active change encouraging activities.

True, but the Iranians in the streets don't know what is going on, either. They need encouragement, they need some kind of reason to believe that they're not alone or this thing will just fizzle out and there will be another strike against us in their minds.
 

kolanuraven

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Iran is not....IS NOT....talking about dropping a missile on one of our states....N Korea is.


N Korea, to me, is a bigger issue. Yeah, they're kinda goof balls and flub-ups...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut and they just might get lucky with a missile test.


Then what?


Let Iran look after Iran right now.....
 

Mike

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I do think we should offer some unbiased help in re-counting the votes. If that is possible.

I read this morning that the voting rates in some towns were as high as 140% of the populations in those towns.

If it's obvious and clear that the vote was crooked, then have some harsher words for the present regime.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
We only see what he is doing publicly and as kola said, he is being cautious. Us intervening publicly would be counter productive. As to what he is or isn't doing behind the scenes, well, you may never know. That's how the more important changes happen through either quiet diplomacy or other more active change encouraging activities.

True, but the Iranians in the streets don't know what is going on, either. They need encouragement, they need some kind of reason to believe that they're not alone or this thing will just fizzle out and there will be another strike against us in their minds.

Have you not been reading the news?! There is a vast grassroots movement in the U.S. and all over the world that is encouraging the Iranian protesters and assisting them with loaning of cyber communications to confuse the Iranian government.

Yes I have been reading the news, but what you're talking about is isolated assistance that is underground. The people need something out front that they can all recognize. They need something from us that more or less publicly states, " That election clearly was BS - the people's concerns need to be addressed".
 

TexasBred

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reader (the Second) said:
We only see what he is doing publicly and as kola said, he is being cautious. Us intervening publicly would be counter productive. As to what he is or isn't doing behind the scenes, well, you may never know. That's how the more important changes happen through either quiet diplomacy or other more active change encouraging activities.

I agree with you... shame so many condemned Bush also not knowing what was going on "behind the scenes".
 

hypocritexposer

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Well there you go, the supreme leader has spoken. It was a fair election, with no further opportunity to question the results. Not even the courts will listen to such conspiracy theories.


TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's supreme leader said Friday that Iran's disputed presidential vote had not been rigged, sternly warning protesters to halt massive demonstrations or be held responsible for creating chaos.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sided with hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and offered no concessions to the opposition. He effectively closed any chance for a new vote by calling the June 12 election a "definitive victory."
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
We only see what he is doing publicly and as kola said, he is being cautious. Us intervening publicly would be counter productive. As to what he is or isn't doing behind the scenes, well, you may never know. That's how the more important changes happen through either quiet diplomacy or other more active change encouraging activities.

True, but the Iranians in the streets don't know what is going on, either. They need encouragement, they need some kind of reason to believe that they're not alone or this thing will just fizzle out and there will be another strike against us in their minds.

Have you not been reading the news?! There is a vast grassroots movement in the U.S. and all over the world that is encouraging the Iranian protesters and assisting them with loaning of cyber communications to confuse the Iranian government.

Have you been watching the video footage of the protests? Have you noticed the number of signs written in English? Do you think that the protesters just MIGHT be asking for attention/help from the West?
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Iran is not....IS NOT....talking about dropping a missile on one of our states....N Korea is.


N Korea, to me, is a bigger issue. Yeah, they're kinda goof balls and flub-ups...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut and they just might get lucky with a missile test.


Then what?


Let Iran look after Iran right now.....

Why are you always about only taken care of one problem at a time?

I sure hope your cows never get out at feeding time, either you will lose some cows or the others will go hungry :roll:
 

Steve

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Obama+Finger.jpg


Obama sends subtle signal to Iranian protesters..
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Iran is not....IS NOT....talking about dropping a missile on one of our states....N Korea is.


N Korea, to me, is a bigger issue. Yeah, they're kinda goof balls and flub-ups...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut and they just might get lucky with a missile test.


Then what?


Let Iran look after Iran right now.....

Wouldn't it of been nice if, say 20 years or so ago, we could of helped the North Korean people overthrow Lil Kim BEFORE he got nukes - and then maybe you wouldn't be having this concern now?
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
Steve, wasn't that picture from a speech to Americans.

You're always twisting the facts.

it could have been at a speech to American voters.. but wasn't there a recent thread showing the parallels to our revolution and Irans' current situation.. .
 

hypocritexposer

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Well I know that in Iran the word of the Supreme Leader is final, protesting and attempting to have the courts look into election fraud, will fall on deaf ears.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
Well I know that in Iran the word of the Supreme Leader is final, protesting and attempting to have the courts look into election fraud, will fall on deaf ears.

Just like the US under Subprime leader Obama ..
 

aplusmnt

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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Iran is not....IS NOT....talking about dropping a missile on one of our states....N Korea is.


N Korea, to me, is a bigger issue. Yeah, they're kinda goof balls and flub-ups...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut and they just might get lucky with a missile test.


Then what?


Let Iran look after Iran right now.....

Wouldn't it of been nice if, say 20 years or so ago, we could of helped the North Korean people overthrow Lil Kim BEFORE he got nukes - and then maybe you wouldn't be having this concern now?

Liberals do not do preventive maintenance. They wait till the Sh*t hits the fan and then let a Conservative clean it up! Then they complain about it afterwards!
 
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