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Is Barack Obama a liberal?

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Anonymous

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Is Barack Obama a liberal?

The National Journal said so based on one metric and the Republicans have been using this in their talking points every since. But there are many ways to measure a senators's voting record. Our measurements, based on what liberal groups like ACLU and NARAL think of him, rank him as 42nd.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/lib_senator_ratings-2007.html

And what do conservative groups think of him? They don't like him, but there are 30 senators who are even worse, that is, who vote the "wrong way" even more often than Obama.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Senate/con_senator_ratings-2007.html

How a senator comes out in the ratings depends on lot of who is doing the rating and what their hobby horses are. Our ratings are based on a wide spectrum of issues so if senator is pro-life that does not necessarily mean he isn't liberal. He might be fantastic on labor issues, gay rights, etc. Ditto for conservatives. A senator who is pro-choice could also be a fanatic tax cutter and fan of small government. Take a look at our ratings but also check out CQ Politics' story on ratings today.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000002900172

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Jun19.html
 
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Anonymous

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I thought I'd bring this to the top again- with some of your blabbering about Obama being the most liberal...Actually he's rated more conservative by both conservative and liberal groups then my pro gun, pro closed borders-anti amnesty, pro balanced budget (PAY-GO), pro M-COOL, pro US sovereignty rights junior Senator (Tester) - who has been called by all the news media (yes even FOX) as a Blue Dog :shock:
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
He a flipping socialist, not to mention a hypocrite and a racist.

We see what conservative government did to this country for the last few years. I'd take a liberal anytime over that. :D
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
fff said:
Sandhusker said:
He a flipping socialist, not to mention a hypocrite and a racist.

We see what conservative government did to this country for the last few years. I'd take a liberal anytime over that. :D

Bush isn't a conservative

Yes, he is. He ran as a "compassionate conservative." He rushed back to DC to "save" Terri Schiavo's life. He's vetoed stem cell research, cut taxes, cut government oversight on business. There's a long list of things Bush has done to cater to the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Bush is a conservative. He's governed as a conservative, right along with a conservative Congress until last year. And look what a mess they made of this country. :mad: Bring me a liberal and let's see what he can do!
 

Sandhusker

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fff said:
Sandhusker said:
fff said:
We see what conservative government did to this country for the last few years. I'd take a liberal anytime over that. :D

Bush isn't a conservative

Yes, he is. He ran as a "compassionate conservative." He rushed back to DC to "save" Terri Schiavo's life. He's vetoed stem cell research, cut taxes, cut government oversight on business. There's a long list of things Bush has done to cater to the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Bush is a conservative. He's governed as a conservative, right along with a conservative Congress until last year. And look what a mess they made of this country. :mad: Bring me a liberal and let's see what he can do!

He's not a conservative, no matter what he may call himself.

You had a liberal. His name was Jimmy Carter. That really worked well.
 
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Sandhusker said:
fff said:
Sandhusker said:
He a flipping socialist, not to mention a hypocrite and a racist.

We see what conservative government did to this country for the last few years. I'd take a liberal anytime over that. :D

Bush isn't a conservative


Bush was a neocon--but what were all those other Blabbering fools with an (R) by their names, that rubber stamped his every move for 7 years as they stuffed their own pockets with Lobbyist dollars :???:
My definition is Crooks.....

We need a "change".....
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
fff said:
Sandhusker said:
Bush isn't a conservative

Yes, he is. He ran as a "compassionate conservative." He rushed back to DC to "save" Terri Schiavo's life. He's vetoed stem cell research, cut taxes, cut government oversight on business. There's a long list of things Bush has done to cater to the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Bush is a conservative. He's governed as a conservative, right along with a conservative Congress until last year. And look what a mess they made of this country. :mad: Bring me a liberal and let's see what he can do!

He's not a conservative, no matter what he may call himself.

You had a liberal. His name was Jimmy Carter. That really worked well.

If Ronald Reagan had continued on with Carter's conservation and alternative fuel programs, we'd be in a much better place today. People were building earth sheltered homes, buying more efficient heating systems, putting in double paned windows, installing solar panels, installing their own wind generators..... When Reagan came into office and the Arabs lifted their embargo, all that went away.

We had another liberal: Bill Clinton. That worked pretty well, too. Budget surplus, relative peace in the world, respect of the world.

Please give me a chance to vote for another liberal for president! :D
 

Sandhusker

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I think you're incorrect about people not installing solar panels, wind generators, etc... I'll bet you there's a heck of a lot more of them now than when Carter left. However, even if that were so, that would be Reagan's fault?


Clinton had a budget surplus? Peace in the world? I think you've been inhaling.
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
I think you're incorrect about people not installing solar panels, wind generators, etc... I'll bet you there's a heck of a lot more of them now than when Carter left. However, even if that were so, that would be Reagan's fault?


Clinton had a budget surplus? Peace in the world? I think you've been inhaling.

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fff

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Sandhusker said:
I think you're incorrect about people not installing solar panels, wind generators, etc... I'll bet you there's a heck of a lot more of them now than when Carter left. However, even if that were so, that would be Reagan's fault?

I'm not saying it's Reagan's fault. He just didn't emphasize conservation or alternative energies like Carter did. Once oil was cheap again, the push to change went away.

Clinton had a budget surplus? Peace in the world? I think you've been inhaling.

Not me. Clinton had several budget surpluses. He was at war with the Republican Congress on what to do with it. He wanted to invest it in the country and the people, shore up Social Security and Medicare, fix roads and bridges. Republicans wanted to cut taxes. Are you seriously comparing Kosovo with Iraq?
 

Mike

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fff said:
Sandhusker said:
I think you're incorrect about people not installing solar panels, wind generators, etc... I'll bet you there's a heck of a lot more of them now than when Carter left. However, even if that were so, that would be Reagan's fault?

I'm not saying it's Reagan's fault. He just didn't emphasize conservation or alternative energies like Carter did. Once oil was cheap again, the push to change went away.

Clinton had a budget surplus? Peace in the world? I think you've been inhaling.

Not me. Clinton had several budget surpluses. He was at war with the Republican Congress on what to do with it. He wanted to invest it in the country and the people, shore up Social Security and Medicare, fix roads and bridges. Republicans wanted to cut taxes. Are you seriously comparing Kosovo with Iraq?

The reality of the national debt

The national debt went up every single year under Clinton. Had Clinton really had a surplus the national debt would have gone down. It didn't go down precisely because Clinton had a deficit every single year. The U.S. Treasury's historical record of the national debt verifies this.
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
Clinton had several budget surpluses. He wanted to invest it in the country and the people, shore up Social Security and Medicare, fix roads and bridges.

Give me a break, this so called surplus he had was due to him Robbing from the Social Security Trust Fund in the first place. Basically Clinton did what Enron did playing with the books. But you lefties blame Bush for Enron and call them crooks and praise Clinton for what he did.

And you mention fixing roads, he cut spending on roads to make his budget look better and then says he wants to use the surplus to fix roads?

You really need to expand your reading past the Huffington post!
 

Texan

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fff said:
Please give me a chance to vote for another liberal for president! :D
You sure are a proud liberal, huh? :D I had another idea for a sign for you. A multi-purpose sign that would let you advertise AND show your pride for all the neighbors to see. How about this?

I really think this would look good out by the highway:

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Angus Ranch is pleased to announce

that we are joining with Minister Louis Farrakhan in

PROUDLY supporting BARRACK OBAMA for PRESIDENT !!!



BULLS FOR SALE


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Whadya think? I LIKE it! :lol:
 

Mike

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Texan said:
fff said:
Please give me a chance to vote for another liberal for president! :D
You sure are a proud liberal, huh? :D I had another idea for a sign for you. A multi-purpose sign that would let you advertise AND show your pride for all the neighbors to see. How about this?

I really think this would look good out by the highway:

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Angus Ranch is pleased to announce

that we are joining with Minister Louis Farrakhan in

PROUDLY supporting BARRACK OBAMA for PRESIDENT !!!



BULLS FOR SALE


===========================================


Whadya think? I LIKE it! :lol:

Very good sign!!!!!!!!! There are many other fine upstanding names you could add to the list as well. Jesse and Al come to mind first, but there are other racists that would be honored to be listed........
 

Larrry

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It will be interesting to see how Proud they are. If the sign goes up or not will tell us.

Sidebar: B Hussein Obama is not a Liberal, he is a Socialist
 

Sandhusker

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Texan said:
fff said:
Please give me a chance to vote for another liberal for president! :D
You sure are a proud liberal, huh? :D I had another idea for a sign for you. A multi-purpose sign that would let you advertise AND show your pride for all the neighbors to see. How about this?

I really think this would look good out by the highway:

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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Angus Ranch is pleased to announce

that we are joining with Minister Louis Farrakhan in

PROUDLY supporting BARRACK OBAMA for PRESIDENT !!!



BULLS FOR SALE


===========================================


Whadya think? I LIKE it! :lol:

That's funny. Maybe name a bull "Reverend Wright" and see how semin sales go.
 

Texan

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LOL. That's a good idea, Sandhusker. Maybe she and Kola can team up and form a syndicate to handle all of the new business. :lol:
 
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