Is Brokeback suitable viewing for a twelve year old???

[kolanuraven]

Kola, does that statement stand completely free of any qualifications?

MLA I know you're driving at something here...so go ahead

I have 3 rules that qualify if I get involved in ' others' situation.

#1 Did it crap in my yard?

#2 Did/does it bother my critters?

#3 Did /does it cost me any money?

If I get a YES to one of the 3, then I'm in...otherwise not my concern what goes on in someone else's life/lifestyle/home.

 

[aplusmnt]

Who are we to judge sin when none of us are sin free?

We do not have to worry about this, God already told us being gay is a sin. Now if someone is limp wristed or walks like a girl it is not our place to past judgement on them and say they are Gay and a sinner, that is Gods place to do. But in general it is OK for us to say Gay people our sinners, because all we are doing is repeating what God himself wrote in the Bible. And he he tells us to spread that word.

Would you think a preacher from the podium is passing Judgement if he gives a sermon?

 

[aplusmnt]

Kola, does that statement stand completely free of any qualifications?

MLA I know you're driving at something here...so go ahead

I have 3 rules that qualify if I get involved in ' others' situation.

#1 Did it crap in my yard?

#2 Did/does it bother my critters?

#3 Did /does it cost me any money?

If I get a YES to one of the 3, then I'm in...otherwise not my concern what goes on in someone else's life/lifestyle/home.

Pretty selfish reasons there! So you do not believe in doing anything if you know the neighbor is molesting his child? Cutting up people in his basement? A Plotting terrorist? Cooking Meth? Holding a woman as sex slave?

In general I do agree with you though, I do not care if someone is Gay, or what they do in their own bedroom as long as it is with a consenting adult. But this is from an American perspective.

From a Religious perspective I have an obligation not to condone it, nor support it. I do not believe they should be arrested or burned at the stake. God will pass judgement on these INDIVIDUALS but it is my job to make known to others that this lifestyle is one that is not in harmony with Biblical teachings. Our job is education, self education and education of others, then God will pass Judgement on these individuals.

If no one ever educated people as to what the Bible teaches, then it would not be Just for God to hold us accountable for our sins.

 

[kolanuraven]

Now that you mention it..... I do/did have a neighbor who was cooking up meth in his house. In fact he was a PREACHER!!!! Yes, sir a pastor for over 30 yrs and he LOVED to tell eveyone they were on the short train to HE77!

I digress, I knew he cooked...everyone knew he cooked. But it didn't happen on our place, he never trespassed nor sold/offered it to anyone on the adjoining places. Somebody bought it but he made lots of trips to Atl. every week.

2 months ago, I heard what I thought was a sonic boom!! He blew up his own house!!

I believe in what goes around comes around.

Remember my truck thief....he'd been a thief for YEARS but never stole from me. BUT...when he did steal from me, " game on" & I won!

 

[aplusmnt]

Now that you mention it..... I do/did have a neighbor who was cooking up meth in his house. In fact he was a PREACHER!!!! Yes, sir a pastor for over 30 yrs and he LOVED to tell eveyone they were on the short train to HE77!

I digress, I knew he cooked...everyone knew he cooked. But it didn't happen on our place, he never trespassed nor sold/offered it to anyone on the adjoining places. Somebody bought it but he made lots of trips to Atl. every week.

2 months ago, I heard what I thought was a sonic boom!! He blew up his own house!!

I believe in what goes around comes around.

Remember my truck thief....he'd been a thief for YEARS but never stole from me. BUT...when he did steal from me, " game on" & I won!

More times than not what goes around comes around because a good citizen of the community does something to make sure these people get caught.

I was cutting you some slack because I thought you really was talking about sexual acts in the privacy of your own bedroom. But it seems you truly paint with a broad brush. That is sad, but might be ironic what goes around comes around, you know. Might be some member of the community might not do anything if they see you being raped, mugged or killed.

You have to watch that go around come around philosophy it also can bite you in the butt! :wink:

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Kola,my cyber friend,I believe your just pushing buttons,because I've come to realise you have more feeling then you hand out. Tell me,if you KNEW your adult nieghbor was sexually abusing his three year old daughter...you wouldn't get involved :???: Also,if my nieghbor had a meth lab,my fav. RCMP officer would know in a milli-second....have you seen what that drug does to young people As for what gays do in thier own bedroom,none of my beeswax,just keep it to yourself,I don't go around tootin what happens in my private home,I just don't get where thier "pride" comes from,to me its more a lack of :?

 

[CattleArmy]

"Feelings" make a better caboose than an engine. We need to let the Lord be the engine that runs our lives. If our "feelings" are causing us to sin or stray from God's Word, get rid of them.

Our job is to hate sin but love the sinner.

Then tell me how does one fight feelings of love? Love is a very strong emotion and each of us long to love and be loved.

So, what if you have "feelings" of love for a neighboring rancher? Sure, to quote you, "love is a very strong emotion and each of us longs to love and be loved." Does that make it right for you to go with the "extra special" love that it looks like your neighboring rancher might give you, and step out on your husband for that to come about?

If your "feelings" are wrong, and both you and God know that it is wrong, do you pursue them no matter what the cost?

Well as we both know even in this small area it's becoming more of a trend that people are going for the possibility of love rather then unhappy marriages. However, having said that I do think that one relationship should be over before another starts.

Ok lets go with the idea that one pursues it.........then what is the cost? A divided family, hurt people, but we all know time heals people and most relationships. If the person involved in the adultry then recognizes it is a sin and asks to be forgiven doesn't God forgive? Isn't the biggest part recognizing it's a sin and in turn asking for forgiveness.

Before everyone jumps on the ole CattleArmy bandwagon that I support adultry please understand I don't......I just ask a question if it is recognized as a sin and forgiveness is sought isn't God a forgiving God?

 

[CattleArmy]

I believe it's nobody's business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives & homes. :!: :!: :!: :!:

Does that include making meth, growing marijuana, pedophilia, white-collar crime, etc? You paint the picture with a pretty broad brush.

How about if she added in legal activities?????

 

[Silver]

I believe it's nobody's business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives & homes. :!: :!: :!: :!:

I believe it's nobodies business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives and homes AS LONG AS it doesn't impinge on someone elses rights, freedoms or liberties. When one of those boundaries are crossed all bets are off. And it also doesn't mean I have to approve of what they are doing (it's my right to personally approve or dissaprove. It's one of the things that qualify me as human. :wink: )

 

[aplusmnt]

As for what gays do in thier own bedroom,none of my beeswax,just keep it to yourself,I don't go around tootin what happens in my private home,

Go ahead and toot we will listen :wink: :lol:

 

[aplusmnt]

I believe it's nobody's business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives & homes. :!: :!: :!: :!:

I believe it's nobodies business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives and homes AS LONG AS it doesn't impinge on someone elses rights, freedoms or liberties. When one of those boundaries are crossed all bets are off. And it also doesn't mean I have to approve of what they are doing (it's my right to personally approve or dissaprove. It's one of the things that qualify me as human. :wink: )

I agree! What they do in privacy of their home is none of my business. But the problem we have now days is that the Homosexual movement has moved out of the private bedroom and into our homes via TV, Movies, Magazines, Parades. It has become a part of our Laws, and Legislation.

Once the Homo's took it public then they have to expect a fight from those of us that believe that their way of life is part of breaking down the family and Country.

 

[kolanuraven]

You mean homosexual people are ' takin it" public right in front of your house/street? Man, where do you live??? :???: :???: :???:

And those parades around the clock....just unnecessary I say!!!

And they are stuffing your mail box with magazines and books!!!!!!.

The nerve of these people!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:






Quit being so paranoid and live your life.

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

Kola, many think that strong-arming a minority agenda into the education system is quite invasive.

 

[aplusmnt]

Quit being so paranoid and live your life.

Not Paranoid and they have no affect on my life directly. But I do care about how the Moral deterioration that is happening and how it will affect my children and grandchildren.

Moral break down in society is like a snow ball once it starts it leads to its destruction. Morality can not be classified or held to one specific Genre. As people rebel against nature itself then it become easier to go against all Moral issues. That is why Pedophilia is closely linked to Homosexuality, once you break away from nature and men sleep with men then it is just a short step to children.

Social progression either good or bad starts with small steps in either direction. And if we in society allow these small steps then we will be culprits to the demise that follows them.

And religiously I have an obligation to speak out against it, so I can be above approach come judgement day. If they do not wish to listen that is there business and they have to stand alone in their personal decision.

 

[CattleArmy]

I believe it's nobody's business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives & homes. :!: :!: :!: :!:

I believe it's nobodies business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives and homes AS LONG AS it doesn't impinge on someone elses rights, freedoms or liberties. When one of those boundaries are crossed all bets are off. And it also doesn't mean I have to approve of what they are doing (it's my right to personally approve or dissaprove. It's one of the things that qualify me as human. :wink: )

I agree! What they do in privacy of their home is none of my business. But the problem we have now days is that the Homosexual movement has moved out of the private bedroom and into our homes via TV, Movies, Magazines, Parades. It has become a part of our Laws, and Legislation.

Once the Homo's took it public then they have to expect a fight from those of us that believe that their way of life is part of breaking down the family and Country.

Why not be enraged by the media that made it news? However I wonder why you just don't shut the television off when a show with homosexuals in it is on. However there are more and more shows on todays television that you will then miss out on. Myself I love Grey's Anatomy and they have the gay couple wanting to adopt a baby.

The reason that there have become laws and legislation is in part due to people who strongly hate the lifestyle. Take Mathew Shepard for instance he was killed simply for his sexuality doesn't his murders deserve to pay for the crime just like anyone else that murders? After his brutal beating shouldn't have states made stronger hate crime laws?

Why can't two people who love each other even if the same sex get the same rights that those heterosexual couples do? I'm not insisting they get the word marriage and in no way involving the church take for instance just the financial benefits that hetersosexual couples get.

 

[IL Rancher]

This is getting political but what the hey... Why should there be stronger protection for hate crimes vs crimes in general. NO, states shouldn't have enacted any more laws after the beating, inforce the ones on the book to the fullest extent of the law and you wouldn't have to make new ones or new categories. I don't care if those boys who did that to sheperd did it becuase he was gay, white, black, a visitor from mars or he routed for the wrong football team or drove the wrong truck or jsut because they had nothing better to do that night. It is assinine to make laws protecting one class of people and not others.. Is Shepherds life worth more simply because he is gay? You don't kill and torture people because you love them.. Hate crime is such a freaking repetative statement.

 

[Soapweed]

A "hate crime" is just as absurd as "temporary insanity." Who cares about some two-bit "legal definition" of a why a crime was committed. If a crime is committed, no matter what the reason or how well thought out it was before being perpetrated, the proper penalty should be paid.

 

[CattleArmy]

This is getting political but what the hey... Why should there be stronger protection for hate crimes vs crimes in general. NO, states shouldn't have enacted any more laws after the beating, inforce the ones on the book to the fullest extent of the law and you wouldn't have to make new ones or new categories. I don't care if those boys who did that to sheperd did it becuase he was gay, white, black, a visitor from mars or he routed for the wrong football team or drove the wrong truck or jsut because they had nothing better to do that night. It is assinine to make laws protecting one class of people and not others.. Is Shepherds life worth more simply because he is gay? You don't kill and torture people because you love them.. Hate crime is such a freaking repetative statement.

Isn't a crime premeditated worse then one that is just committed on a whim?

The guy who thinks of something horrible to violate or hurt another to me is way scarier then the guy who just does something spur of the moment. In my opinion anyway.

 

[aplusmnt]

This is getting political but what the hey... Why should there be stronger protection for hate crimes vs crimes in general. NO, states shouldn't have enacted any more laws after the beating, inforce the ones on the book to the fullest extent of the law and you wouldn't have to make new ones or new categories. I don't care if those boys who did that to sheperd did it becuase he was gay, white, black, a visitor from mars or he routed for the wrong football team or drove the wrong truck or jsut because they had nothing better to do that night. It is assinine to make laws protecting one class of people and not others.. Is Shepherds life worth more simply because he is gay? You don't kill and torture people because you love them.. Hate crime is such a freaking repetative statement.

Isn't a crime premeditated worse then one that is just committed on a whim?

The guy who thinks of something horrible to violate or hurt another to me is way scarier then the guy who just does something spur of the moment. In my opinion anyway.

That is why there is Manslaughter, 1st degree murder and 2cd degree murder. Why do we now need special Hate Crime laws? Any murder is an act of hate, why does it matter if you hate the guy who cut you off in the car, hate the guy who slept with your wife or hate a man for being gay? Hate is hate. And not many murders are done out of love.

 

[IL Rancher]

I don't know... A killer is walking around, snaps and kills someone for no reason... IS this worse or better than the person who sits around and thinks about and than does it? If you are capable of snapping once aren't you capable of doing it again? The randomness of it all makes it just as vial as the planned killing IMO.

You can do these arguments for ever but as aplus just said, there are plenty of laws and levels of homicide already, be is 1st, second degree and I beleive their are two levels of manslaughter even.. Why does an attack against a gay guy need anymore prosecution than the fella who kills his neighbor because the dog kept crapping on his lawn. the one thing this country doesn't need is more laws, crap, everytime something happens we get a "Their ought to be a law against that" well, shoot, their probably already is, all we gotta do is inforce the code that is already written...