Is Brokeback suitable viewing for a twelve year old???

[Miss N. The-Hills]

I believe it's nobodies business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives and homes AS LONG AS it doesn't impinge on someone elses rights, freedoms or liberties. When one of those boundaries are crossed all bets are off. And it also doesn't mean I have to approve of what they are doing (it's my right to personally approve or dissaprove. It's one of the things that qualify me as human. :wink: )

I agree! What they do in privacy of their home is none of my business. But the problem we have now days is that the Homosexual movement has moved out of the private bedroom and into our homes via TV, Movies, Magazines, Parades. It has become a part of our Laws, and Legislation.

Once the Homo's took it public then they have to expect a fight from those of us that believe that their way of life is part of breaking down the family and Country.

Why not be enraged by the media that made it news? However I wonder why you just don't shut the television off when a show with homosexuals in it is on. However there are more and more shows on todays television that you will then miss out on. Myself I love Grey's Anatomy and they have the gay couple wanting to adopt a baby.


The reason that there have become laws and legislation is in part due to people who strongly hate the lifestyle. Take Mathew Shepard for instance he was killed simply for his sexuality doesn't his murders deserve to pay for the crime just like anyone else that murders? After his brutal beating shouldn't have states made stronger hate crime laws?

Why can't two people who love each other even if the same sex get the same rights that those heterosexual couples do? I'm not insisting they get the word marriage and in no way involving the church take for instance just the financial benefits that hetersosexual couples get.

First of all, suggesting that we simply turn the TV off is suggesting that we turn our backs and bury our heads in the sand, so we don't have to watch the degradation of society. I have an obligation to speak out against not only the sin of homosexuality, but the agendas that such a small percentage of society is pushing. Are you ready to have your kids required reading include "My Two Mommies"? 'Can't say that I am.

As for the "hate crime" label, that's ridiculous. Crime is hate, no matter what kind. Either you hate yourself, you hate you parents, you hate losing your job, you hate, you hate, you hate,... More laws specifically for "minority" groups are not the answer.

As for getting the benefits of marriage, thankfully there are still legislators that are holding on to the morals that our country was built on, and that means marriage, and the "benefits" that go with it, are for a man & woman.

 

[azcowpuncher]

I agree ^^^^ this gay crap is gettin out of hand i cant stand to watch tv anymore and see that crap , its gettin old thats for sure and i knwo i dont want my son raised knowin two men can get married or two women , they are takin all the morals away from kids now days and thats why the act the way they do god forbid you smack your child in public but its ok to hand out condoms in school ???? come on thats a little ash backwards if you ask me , this gay shirt is wrong and it will always be wrong and as for my opinion it ought to be against the law . This hate crime crap is a bunch of bull , just another way to make it easier for the minoritys to take advantage of the system . I am not a racist and never have been but everyone should be treated the same no one should be punished worse for somthin they did to someone of a different color . Al sharpton ha ha they need to do somthin with that guy ( maybe stick his ash in jail with the type he is tryin to protect ) he is a worthless bastard .

 

[CattleArmy]

I agree! What they do in privacy of their home is none of my business. But the problem we have now days is that the Homosexual movement has moved out of the private bedroom and into our homes via TV, Movies, Magazines, Parades. It has become a part of our Laws, and Legislation.

Once the Homo's took it public then they have to expect a fight from those of us that believe that their way of life is part of breaking down the family and Country.

Why not be enraged by the media that made it news? However I wonder why you just don't shut the television off when a show with homosexuals in it is on. However there are more and more shows on todays television that you will then miss out on. Myself I love Grey's Anatomy and they have the gay couple wanting to adopt a baby.


The reason that there have become laws and legislation is in part due to people who strongly hate the lifestyle. Take Mathew Shepard for instance he was killed simply for his sexuality doesn't his murders deserve to pay for the crime just like anyone else that murders? After his brutal beating shouldn't have states made stronger hate crime laws?

Why can't two people who love each other even if the same sex get the same rights that those heterosexual couples do? I'm not insisting they get the word marriage and in no way involving the church take for instance just the financial benefits that hetersosexual couples get.

First of all, suggesting that we simply turn the TV off is suggesting that we turn our backs and bury our heads in the sand, so we don't have to watch the degradation of society. I have an obligation to speak out against not only the sin of homosexuality, but the agendas that such a small percentage of society is pushing. Are you ready to have your kids required reading include "My Two Mommies"? 'Can't say that I am.

As for the "hate crime" label, that's ridiculous. Crime is hate, no matter what kind. Either you hate yourself, you hate you parents, you hate losing your job, you hate, you hate, you hate,... More laws specifically for "minority" groups are not the answer.

As for getting the benefits of marriage, thankfully there are still legislators that are holding on to the morals that our country was built on, and that means marriage, and the "benefits" that go with it, are for a man & woman.

Yes I am ready for my kids to read "My Two Mommies". I want my children to not judge the makeup of a family but to realize that families come in many varietys. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand and the sandhills and see that these are issues that our children are going to face in real life. I'd rather prepare them as a parent as I feel is my responsibility rather then some other child at school, church group, or any other place they are around other children be the one that introduces the concept.

In today's society I honestly feel if two people want to make a commitment to one another if of legal age let them. Let them reap the benefits of being committed financially. Why is someone committed to a member of the oposite sex more deserving of financial gain through our government and work places then two people of the same sex committed. Notice I didn't use the word marriage. Call it a civil union call it whatever just isn't it time to be fair?

 

[Soapweed]

Yes I am ready for my kids to read "My Two Mommies". I want my children to not judge the makeup of a family but to realize that families come in many varietys. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand and the sandhills and see that these are issues that our children are going to face in real life. I'd rather prepare them as a parent as I feel is my responsibility rather then some other child at school, church group, or any other place they are around other children be the one that introduces the concept.

In today's society I honestly feel if two people want to make a commitment to one another if of legal age let them. Let them reap the benefits of being committed financially. Why is someone committed to a member of the oposite sex more deserving of financial gain through our government and work places then two people of the same sex committed. Notice I didn't use the word marriage. Call it a civil union call it whatever just isn't it time to be fair?

You say "in today's society" as if times are different now than they have been before. In some way, yes they are. What you fail to realize is that sin is no less sin now than it ever was. Just because more folks are doing this sort of thing does not make it any less of a sin. As my mother used to say, "If everyone else goes and jumps off a cliff, does that mean you need to do the same?" No, it does not.

I hope you don't get so "open minded" that you lose your sense of reality, and of right and wrong.

 

[kolanuraven]

I agree ^^^^ this gay crap is gettin out of hand i cant stand to watch tv anymore and see that crap ,


You mean out of all the 1,000's of channels on the TV today you ONLY get the ones with gay programming????? :???: :???: :???: :???:

Imagine that?? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ya fingers broke....turn it and start watching the History Channel!

 

[kolanuraven]

Yes I am ready for my kids to read "My Two Mommies". I want my children to not judge the makeup of a family but to realize that families come in many varietys. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand and the sandhills and see that these are issues that our children are going to face in real life. I'd rather prepare them as a parent as I feel is my responsibility rather then some other child at school, church group, or any other place they are around other children be the one that introduces the concept.

In today's society I honestly feel if two people want to make a commitment to one another if of legal age let them. Let them reap the benefits of being committed financially. Why is someone committed to a member of the oposite sex more deserving of financial gain through our government and work places then two people of the same sex committed. Notice I didn't use the word marriage. Call it a civil union call it whatever just isn't it time to be fair?

You say "in today's society" as if times are different now than they have been before. In some way, yes they are. What you fail to realize is that sin is no less sin now than it ever was. Just because more folks are doing this sort of thing does not make it any less of a sin. As my mother used to say, "If everyone else goes and jumps off a cliff, does that mean you need to do the same?" No, it does not.

I hope you don't get so "open minded" that you lose your sense of reality, and of right and wrong.

#1....Again...buy a calendar...it's not 1964

#2....How do you know more people are " doing it" now? Could it not be that we just have better and more widespread communications now, thus more is known in general about people & lifestyles?

#3.....Lame reasoning in this case!!!!!

 

[Soapweed]

Yes I am ready for my kids to read "My Two Mommies". I want my children to not judge the makeup of a family but to realize that families come in many varietys. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand and the sandhills and see that these are issues that our children are going to face in real life. I'd rather prepare them as a parent as I feel is my responsibility rather then some other child at school, church group, or any other place they are around other children be the one that introduces the concept.

In today's society I honestly feel if two people want to make a commitment to one another if of legal age let them. Let them reap the benefits of being committed financially. Why is someone committed to a member of the oposite sex more deserving of financial gain through our government and work places then two people of the same sex committed. Notice I didn't use the word marriage. Call it a civil union call it whatever just isn't it time to be fair?

You say "in today's society" as if times are different now than they have been before. In some way, yes they are. What you fail to realize is that sin is no less sin now than it ever was. Just because more folks are doing this sort of thing does not make it any less of a sin. As my mother used to say, "If everyone else goes and jumps off a cliff, does that mean you need to do the same?" No, it does not.

I hope you don't get so "open minded" that you lose your sense of reality, and of right and wrong.

#1....Again...buy a calendar...it's not 1964

I will use your own line of arguement as an answer. "Lame reasoning in this case." Many civilizations have fallen because of depravity, immoral acts, and turning away from God. You are a historian. Study the history of Rome for starters.

#2....How do you know more people are " doing it" now? Could it not be that we just have better and more widespread communications now, thus more is known in general about people & lifestyles?

Okay, you might have a point. I don't know that more people are "doing it" now. I do know that what used to be a taboo subject has now become out in the open and many people who would have shuddered at the mere mention of such a thing, now tend to regard it as "normal" which it isn't.

#3.....Lame reasoning in this case

My mother's reasoning was not necessarily "lame." It hurts just as much to fall off a cliff in 2007 as it did in 1964. :shock: Stupidity begets stupidity. If being gay was natural, you would think they would be born sterile since fertility would be an unnecessary part of their being. Then they would breed themselves out of existence, so to speak. This does not happen, which leads me to believe it is not "natural" to start with. :roll:

 

[kolanuraven]

Times ARE different.

You statement " as if" implies times are not any different now than they were in 1964!

 

[Soapweed]

Times ARE different.

You statement " as if" implies times are not any different now than they were in 1964!

The definition of "sin" is not any different now than is was in 1964. Recently you had a pilfering neighbor who was stealing from you and making your life miserable. His line of "reasoning" is probably much like your own: "Well, everybody else is stealing. That makes it right for me to steal." Sin is sin. God clearly defines these "thou shalt nots" in His Ten Commandments. Check them out. They are interesting and informative. :wink:

 

[katrina]

Good reasoning Soapweed...... I like that...

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

I agree, Cattle Army. it is your responsibility as a parent to educate your children about issues like this.

It is NOT the school's responsibility. That, like I said, is an agenda of a small group of the population. If I decide that my daughter should read "My Two Mommies" so that she will know about the world around us, that's my decision.

My question was, are you ready for it to be required reading? And if so, then do we make sure they read up on witchcraft and satanism? The Bible is very clear about avoiding and not dabbling in such stuff. So if it's going to be introduced to my child, it darned sure better be by her parents.

 

[CattleArmy]

Yes I am ready for my kids to read "My Two Mommies". I want my children to not judge the makeup of a family but to realize that families come in many varietys. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand and the sandhills and see that these are issues that our children are going to face in real life. I'd rather prepare them as a parent as I feel is my responsibility rather then some other child at school, church group, or any other place they are around other children be the one that introduces the concept.

In today's society I honestly feel if two people want to make a commitment to one another if of legal age let them. Let them reap the benefits of being committed financially. Why is someone committed to a member of the oposite sex more deserving of financial gain through our government and work places then two people of the same sex committed. Notice I didn't use the word marriage. Call it a civil union call it whatever just isn't it time to be fair?

You say "in today's society" as if times are different now than they have been before. In some way, yes they are. What you fail to realize is that sin is no less sin now than it ever was. Just because more folks are doing this sort of thing does not make it any less of a sin. As my mother used to say, "If everyone else goes and jumps off a cliff, does that mean you need to do the same?" No, it does not.

I hope you don't get so "open minded" that you lose your sense of reality, and of right and wrong.

I don't think it's being "open minded" I think it's facing reality. Soap plain and simply there is a great big world out there and here in the rural area we are in we just don't have to face as much of it daily as others do. I want to prepare my children for it not just think they'll do as I did and stay here.

 

[CattleArmy]

Yes I am ready for my kids to read "My Two Mommies". I want my children to not judge the makeup of a family but to realize that families come in many varietys. It's time for people to get their heads out of the sand and the sandhills and see that these are issues that our children are going to face in real life. I'd rather prepare them as a parent as I feel is my responsibility rather then some other child at school, church group, or any other place they are around other children be the one that introduces the concept.

In today's society I honestly feel if two people want to make a commitment to one another if of legal age let them. Let them reap the benefits of being committed financially. Why is someone committed to a member of the oposite sex more deserving of financial gain through our government and work places then two people of the same sex committed. Notice I didn't use the word marriage. Call it a civil union call it whatever just isn't it time to be fair?

You say "in today's society" as if times are different now than they have been before. In some way, yes they are. What you fail to realize is that sin is no less sin now than it ever was. Just because more folks are doing this sort of thing does not make it any less of a sin. As my mother used to say, "If everyone else goes and jumps off a cliff, does that mean you need to do the same?" No, it does not.

I hope you don't get so "open minded" that you lose your sense of reality, and of right and wrong.

#1....Again...buy a calendar...it's not 1964

I will use your own line of arguement as an answer. "Lame reasoning in this case." Many civilizations have fallen because of depravity, immoral acts, and turning away from God. You are a historian. Study the history of Rome for starters.

#2....How do you know more people are " doing it" now? Could it not be that we just have better and more widespread communications now, thus more is known in general about people & lifestyles?

Okay, you might have a point. I don't know that more people are "doing it" now. I do know that what used to be a taboo subject has now become out in the open and many people who would have shuddered at the mere mention of such a thing, now tend to regard it as "normal" which it isn't.

#3.....Lame reasoning in this case

My mother's reasoning was not necessarily "lame." It hurts just as much to fall off a cliff in 2007 as it did in 1964. :shock: Stupidity begets stupidity. If being gay was natural, you would think they would be born sterile since fertility would be an unnecessary part of their being. Then they would breed themselves out of existence, so to speak. This does not happen, which leads me to believe it is not "natural" to start with. :roll:

If you go with the thought they would be born unfertile then how do you explain all the heterosexual couples that long for a child and suffer heartbreak over not being able to produce a child?

Someone very dear to me is gay and part of the heartbreak of the realization was that the person would not have children. Financially the person could give the child the world and as far as love and security no child would be more taken care of. Yet heterosexual couples all the time that will not care for the child and will put it through horrid acts of violence keep reproducing. Wonder why God let's that go on?

 

[CattleArmy]

Times ARE different.

You statement " as if" implies times are not any different now than they were in 1964!

The definition of "sin" is not any different now than is was in 1964. Recently you had a pilfering neighbor was was stealing from you and making your life miserable. His line of "reasoning" is probably much like your own: "Well, everybody else is stealing. That makes it right for me to steal." Sin is sin. God cleary defines these "thou shalt nots" in His Ten Commandments. Check them out. They are interesting and informative. :wink:

A couple weeks ago I spent the week enjoying a great group of kids at Vacation Bible School. (See I took your advice and went to church ) While there from preschool to 6th grade we studied the 10 commandments and it dawnded on me who hasn't sinned? Some pretty strict rules were set forward. Almost set so strick as the fact that we as humans would fail. Most I think have used the Lords name in vain at least once in their life. Think back to when you were no it all high school kids. I think most of us have worked 7 days a week at least once. In doing that what day was kept Sabbath? And the part about the neighbor.......well the way gossip runs around in rural areas I'd say one way or another sometime about everyone has not always told the truth about their neighbor.

I must say it was a great week! The kids were awesome and so was going back to Bible stories simplified. They learned some songs I learned as a child when my mom made me attend. Plus the church wasn't struck by ligtening with my arrival! :wink:

 

[CattleArmy]

I agree, Cattle Army. it is your responsibility as a parent to educate your children about issues like this.

It is NOT the school's responsibility. That, like I said, is an agenda of a small group of the population. If I decide that my daughter should read "My Two Mommies" so that she will know about the world around us, that's my decision.

My question was, are you ready for it to be required reading? And if so, then do we make sure they read up on witchcraft and satanism? The Bible is very clear about avoiding and not dabbling in such stuff. So if it's going to be introduced to my child, it darned sure better be by her parents.

I do agree that the school is sometimes overstepping bounds and teaching thoughts that should be up to the parents not the school system.

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

I feel like I can speak about (and for) the school, in a way, because I was a teacher for 10 years. I saw the schools and teachers pushed and pulled by political agendas, by the latest trends, by radicals, etc. And I was going to become a member of the Nebraska Education Association until I realized that it has a VERY liberal stance, and that it was using members' dues to push issues and support specific liberal candidates. Needless to say, I declined the membership invitation. There can be conservative and liberal views, of course, but I hate to see the one and only teachers union determine that teachers were all going to be represented as liberalists.

Why would God allow violent heterosexual couples to bear children? I'm sure it's no news to you, we live in a world broken by sin. That is why we have this thread in the first place. That is what we're talking about here. Yes, it's reality, but it's also showing how society is continually falling to new lows.

We are all created with free will, and that is something that God does not determine for us. Some of us use our free will to be positive, productive members of a community, and some of us use it to beat our kids, steal from our neighbors, and practice homosexuality.

Interestingly, I live in a metro area, not the Sandhills, so I know about the realities beyond the boundaries of Nebraska. I went to college out of state, with many who are in the midst of a homosexual lifestyle. I was in the arts, for goodness sakes! In fact, while I was typing on this thread last night, I was receiving an email from one such friend. I love him, and I always will. It's an example of loving him, and hating the sin, and praying that he will be restored.

Please don't look at it as Sandhills ignorance, or Nebraska blindness. Many of us Sandhillers have been around, and still believe that there are certain rights and wrongs.

 

[nonothing]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

You're right, none of us is without sin. And no one here has said that we are. Lucky for us, we are all forgiven if we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and ask for His forgiveness.

But God did give us His Word, and it is very clear about what is right and wrong. Thankfully, Soapweed is not God, as that's a pretty big responsibility. He is a sinner too.

This thread, to my understanding, is about what is okay to force on society and on our children. And, sinners as we are, we do have a right to have an opinion about that.

Yes, God deals with sin, and we all have to answer to Him. But as His people, we have responsibilities in this world too.

 

[aplusmnt]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that happens because of our imperfect state.

Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

 

[nonothing]

Spread the word all you want.just stop with the judgement and clean up your own sins first.That being said worry about your relationship with god not other's...Spreading the word is not telling people how to live or how to live thier life.It is getting them to make their own way to God,not telling them that how they choose to live thier life is wrong....You can hide behind the name of God all you like but no where does it say to judge a man or hate a man based on his sexuality...



enjoy the camping you guys... :lol: