Is Brokeback suitable viewing for a twelve year old???

[nonothing]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that happens because of our imperfect state.

Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

christians are about helping and forgiveness i was lead to believe........Now they are about speaking out?See this is not how God meant it to be,let him do his work and you do what is asked of you...You have no right or responsiblity to judge others,plain and simple...

 

[kolanuraven]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that happens because of our imperfect state.

Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

Oh man....you will pay for that one I'm betting!!!!!

 

[aplusmnt]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that happens because of our imperfect state.

Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

christians are about helping and forgiveness i was lead to believe........Now they are about speaking out?See this is not how God meant it to be,let him do his work and you do what is asked of you...You have no right or responsiblity to judge others,plain and simple...

Being a Christian is being Christ like, and when Christ was on earth he spread the word of God. The bible points out a lot of responsibilities of a Christian. You can not just pick the warm and fuzzy ones that fit your liking. There is also scripture that points out that we are suppose to preach to others and if we see our Brother is making a mistake or going down the wrong path we should bear witness to them and help them see the error in their ways.

Bible is a big book and there is lots of rules and examples of things we should be doing. You can not just pick a few scriptures and try to make your case, you have to look at all of them. And bearing witness to others and helping others to correct a wrong course is part of Gods word.

If you doubt any part of what I say just ask and I will look up the scriptures to back it up.

 

[aplusmnt]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that happens because of our imperfect state.

Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

Oh man....you will pay for that one I'm betting!!!!!

I figured I would when I typed it, but I could not resist :lol: Maybe they will not read it :lol:

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

christians are about helping and forgiveness i was lead to believe........Now they are about speaking out?See this is not how God meant it to be,let him do his work and you do what is asked of you...You have no right or responsiblity to judge others,plain and simple...[/quote]

Interestingly, followers of Christ are about a lot of things. And yes, sometimes that means speaking out, like aplusmnt said so well.

You said that Christians should let God do His work and do what is asked of them. Ironically, part of what is asked of us is to do the work of God.

The "judge others" phrase has been used a lot on this thread. But you have to realize that judgement by us is not the issue. God very clearly said that certain things are wrong. Wrong is wrong. We don't get to decide what is and what isn't. So it's not Christians deciding random rules and then judging others who don't live up to those.

We serve a mighty, powerful, omnipotent God who is also loving, merciful, and full of grace. But do you think He gave us His Word so we could ignore it or edit it to fit what we mere humans think it should say?

 

[kolanuraven]

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that happens because of our imperfect state.

Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

Oh man....you will pay for that one I'm betting!!!!!

I figured I would when I typed it, but I could not resist :lol: Maybe they will not read it :lol:

OH...NO....not getting away that easy....I'm gonna make sure they read it!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Judith]

It was very interesting how this thread evolved. So many veiws and so many different takes. I was outraged that a teacher would show "R" rated material without parental consent. Others saw something completely different. Same story, so many different veiws. Interesting

 

[Mrs.Greg]

It was very interesting how this thread evolved. So many veiws and so many different takes. I was outraged that a teacher would show "R" rated material without parental consent. Others saw something completely different. Same story, so many different veiws. Interesting

Your right,it has been an interesting thread,and the things one learns.......OH TEXAN,JIGS...boys where are you retty:

 

[nonothing]

christians are about helping and forgiveness i was lead to believe........Now they are about speaking out?See this is not how God meant it to be,let him do his work and you do what is asked of you...You have no right or responsiblity to judge others,plain and simple...

Interestingly, followers of Christ are about a lot of things. And yes, sometimes that means speaking out, like aplusmnt said so well.

You said that Christians should let God do His work and do what is asked of them. Ironically, part of what is asked of us is to do the work of God.

The "judge others" phrase has been used a lot on this thread. But you have to realize that judgement by us is not the issue. God very clearly said that certain things are wrong. Wrong is wrong. We don't get to decide what is and what isn't. So it's not Christians deciding random rules and then judging others who don't live up to those.

We serve a mighty, powerful, omnipotent God who is also loving, merciful, and full of grace. But do you think He gave us His Word so we could ignore it or edit it to fit what we mere humans think it should say?[/quote]

Again judgment by people here is the issue.The part of God's work that is asked of you does noT include judging others.You can serve whatever you want,God asks only one thing and that's to believe in him.....No where does it say to drag out sinners by the hair and beat them to death with a tire iron as happens in this movie..That part of the movie is never mentioned by the so called Christens on this board,but the fact that the characters are gay cowboys disgusts many....So murder is ok but being gay deserves death by beating, by the so called moral majority?....

The thread it self asks for judgment,why?not because they murder someone brutally,but rather because it is homosexual love story between two cowboys.....

 

[kolanuraven]

It's spelled TExAN, Mrs Greg. And...".jigs" is already in itty bitty letters!!!

 

[nonothing]

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that






happens because of our imperfect state.




Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

christians are about helping and forgiveness i was lead to believe........Now they are about speaking out?See this is not how God meant it to be,let him do his work and you do what is asked of you...You have no right or responsiblity to judge others,plain and simple...

Being a Christian is being Christ like, and when Christ was on earth he spread the word of God. The bible points out a lot of responsibilities of a Christian. You can not just pick the warm and fuzzy ones that fit your liking. There is also scripture that points out that we are suppose to preach to others and if we see our Brother is making a mistake or going down the wrong path we should bear witness to them and help them see the error in their ways.

Bible is a big book and there is lots of rules and examples of things we should be doing. You can not just pick a few scriptures and try to make your case, you have to look at all of them. And bearing witness to others and helping others to correct a wrong course is part of Gods word.

If you doubt any part of what I say just ask and I will look up the scriptures to back it up.

show me where it says God's followers shall decide the fates of sinners.....

 

[CattleArmy]

Why do so many of you people care if a person is gay or not? You all bring God into this subject ,it is my understanding sins are between the sinner and God,None of you have the right to judge others if you believe in God.You are asked to forgive others their sins and let God deliver their penitence if one is to be bestowed upon them...Soapweed your not God so stop telling everybody what's right and wrong?I am sure your not perfect and can use a little religious fine tuning yourself..Let God deal with his things and you deal with yours,stop judging and start accepting others for the people they are rather then the sin they are so called committing...As cattlearmy said,everyone sins and if you are going to exclude all sinners from your life you may find yourself alone an awful lot

Continuous sin with no remorse or repenting is different than sin that happens because of our imperfect state.

Example: There is a difference in say a openly gay person that willfully is active in the Gay lifestyle and does not feel it is wrong of does not make an effort to stop it....Vs....say Jigs and Texan get drunk at a camp out and decide to experiment with each other but the next morning feel bad and want nothing to do with being gay ever again. :lol: (sorry need a good example for nonothing)

But as Christains God explains many things in the Bible and one of them is that Christians should stay away from what is bad, and that bad association spoils useful habits. So recognizing bad or evil ways of life is vital to a Christains well being. Plus God also tells us to spread his word and to help others to become Christains. So it is also vital that Christains speak out against such sins that are no longer a moment of weakness but an actual way of life!

Do you understand now?

Oh man....you will pay for that one I'm betting!!!!!

:shock: Trying to get that thought out of my head. :wink:

 

[azcowpuncher]

nonothing I am not tryin to start anything but i dont know were you get that two damn sheep herders are cowboys , no self respectin cowboy would ever herd sheep , and i am sure you work for a cow outfit and are gay you wont be there long or it wont be long and you would be hangin from a tree i am sure you would have the option of leaving as soon as posible . But yeah nothin make me more mad as when someone says them guys in that movie are cowboys , they are sheep herders plain and simple and if you cant tell the difference between sheep herders and cowboys you need to find a new line of work .



I wasnt aiming this whole post at you nonothing i was just ranting .

 

[CattleArmy]

What amazes me is that it seems that so many Christians are happy to rush right in and jump on the calling out sin bandwagon and yet when I asked a local pastor (respected in the community) about the whole homosexual issue (after picking up his jaw) he confirmed it's a sin but felt it wasn't our duty as Christians to call it out to the person or even others, but to love the sinner. His comment to me was how do we spread the word and hope to help someone that fears our hate or loathing of their lifestyle when we do it publically or openly to the person? I recognize it is a sin but I don't feel any of us are qualified to call someone elses sins. He also told me sometimes issues like these make Christians act very unchristian like. With that I very much agree.

 

[Mrs.Greg]

What amazes me about this whole thread is...one gives an view on how they feel then they're takin as being judgemental.If people really looked at the world today as it is now not in 64 so some say they would see alot more moral fiber is being cried for. Theres darn near nothing left of morality,look around and tell me its not true. Just because I don't agree with what some of you write doesn't make me wrong,it makes me different and trying to ram your rightous ways down my throat won't change these feelings.I totally get the impression that some think ranchers are a dumb,narrow minded group that needs to be saved by a couple of you much smarter edumacated people. :roll:

 

[CattleArmy]

nonothing I am not tryin to start anything but i dont know were you get that two damn sheep herders are cowboys , no self respectin cowboy would ever herd sheep , and i am sure you work for a cow outfit and are gay you wont be there long or it wont be long and you would be hangin from a tree i am sure you would have the option of leaving as soon as posible . But yeah nothin make me more mad as when someone says them guys in that movie are cowboys , they are sheep herders plain and simple and if you cant tell the difference between sheep herders and cowboys you need to find a new line of work .



I wasnt aiming this whole post at you nonothing i was just ranting .

I guess why it's easy to say they are cowboys is the hats and the fact they also ride horses, however you are correct that they are herding sheep. I wonder what sheep herding horse riders are called?

 

[CattleArmy]

Sitting here wondering, wondering, wondering..........I'm a rancher and educated just wondering if I'm rightous? :???: :wink:

 

[azcowpuncher]

well were i am from they are called stinkin sheep herders .

 

[Anonymous]

What amazes me is that it seems that so many Christians are happy to rush right in and jump on the calling out sin bandwagon and yet when I asked a local pastor (respected in the community) about the whole homosexual issue (after picking up his jaw) he confirmed it's a sin but felt it wasn't our duty as Christians to call it out to the person or even others, but to love the sinner. His comment to me was how do we spread the word and hope to help someone that fears our hate or loathing of their lifestyle when we do it publically or openly to the person? I recognize it is a sin but I don't feel any of us are qualified to call someone elses sins. He also told me sometimes issues like these make Christians act very unchristian like. With that I very much agree.

A Cowboy And Church

One Sunday morning an old cowboy entered a church just before services were to begin. Although the old man and his clothes were spotlessly clean, he wore jeans, a denim shirt and boots that were very worn and ragged. In his hand he carried a worn out old hat and an equally worn out Bible.

The Church he entered was in a very upscale and exclusive part of the city. It was the largest and most beautiful church the old cowboy had ever seen. The people of the congregation were all dressed with expensive clothes and accessories.

As the cowboy took a seat, the others moved away from him. No one greeted, spoke to, or welcomed him. They were all appalled at his appearance and did not attempt to hide it. The preacher gave a long sermon about hellfire and brimstone and a stern lecture on how much money the church needed to do God's work.

As the old cowboy was leaving the church, the preacher approached him and asked the cowboy to do him a favor. "Before you come back in here again, have a talk with God and ask him what He thinks would be appropriate attire for worship." The old cowboy assured the preacher he would.

The next Sunday, he showed up for the services wearing the same ragged jeans, shirt, boots, and hat. Once again he was completely shunned and ignored.

The preacher approached the man and said, "I thought I asked you to speak to God before you came back to our church."

"I did," replied the old cowboy.

"If you spoke to God, what did he tell you the proper attire should be for worshiping in here?" asked the preacher.

"Well, sir, God told me that He didn't have a clue what I should wear. He says He's never been in this church!

AMEN!!!

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

So,...
I read this whole thread from front to back this evening, and it's amazing to see the circles we're making. In a thread that asks if a movie is suitable for a 12-yr-old, we've had everything
from bashing gays
to bashing Christians
to bashing sheepherders
to bashing Christians who talk about gays
to bashing gays who flaunt it to Christians
to bashing men who wear hats and ride horses while looking at sheep.

It's getting a little tedious, actually.

'Seems many were missing the points that were being made. One example is called the "fallacy of the strawman" from philosophy. It happens when one sets up an argument and points at something that another says, when in fact nothing of the sort has been said. One sets up that argument consciously or subconciously to be able to win it.

That being said, I would by happy to discuss anything, anytime. But I won't be a part of ugliness, and I'm not going to be called judgemental just because I have a belief that is different from yours. Yes, I'm educated, but no, I'm not trying to educate anyone. I apologize if I came across that way.

I realize that "Christians" have been given a bad name because of the actions of some. I heard once that the Christian army is the only organization that finds it acceptable to shoot its own. Yes, there are some harmful things that are done and said by some legalists. But it's not being done and said by all of us. Again, just because I have a belief and take a stand - JUST LIKE YOU HAVE A BELIEF AND TAKE A STAND - doesn't make me a target for you either.