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Is China still Communist?

Is China still a communist country?

  • Yes

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  • Not any more, it is slowly changing

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  • No

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Steve

Well-known member
Often the arguments on here get led by emotion rather then facts... as tex often irrationally makes comments that when taken for their insult value have a limited effect in distorting the debate,.. yet when looked at factually they are just what they sound like emotional irrational rants....

such as this one...

tex wrote:
Sounds like you would rather have things a little different, steve. If you join the communist party, they might let you in china and all your dreams can come true.


but I will answer it and hopefully open some of the most closed minds on here,... the liberals... let me start with his comment or should I say insult..

Tex
Sounds like you would rather have things a little different, steve.

Yes I would rather have things different...

I would rather tex showed others respect... but that won't happen..

I would like world peace,.. and it has a better chance then tex acting like an adult..

but what I want most of all is to have people look past the emotional whines of the liberals and see the facts... then when the truth is available progress could actually happen..

but since the liberals are really closed minded let me focus on something we can change... a wrong perception.. and label..

tex
If you join the communist party, they might let you in china

I won't ever join the communist party and you know that,.. I am to much of a capitalist, and as a conservative, I like gradual change, so no, I don't see that happening...But, I do see China changing to my point of view... and with that one of my Dreams could come true... other countries just like US..

you see your label.."communist" and applied to "China"

are no longer factually true or relevant...

while China was once the death bed of democracy.. it is slowly changing... and that doesn't support tex's emotional cry of "communist China",.. but it does suit his agenda...

so what are the facts... here is a great answer...
Best Answer -
China is not communist

Nor is it socialistic.

It is also often referred to as totalitarian and a dictatorship.
Both are equally as wrong too.

but with a stable governments and society. China is not one of those.

What is China?

Communism:
is a the opposite of capitalism so therefore it is impossible they are communistic. The first people who were allowed to use limited capitalism were the farmers back in the 50's because of the failure of collective farming. The whole country is one huge capitalistic machine now.

Socialistic:
means the state controls all production, manufacturing and business. That is impossible as well since individuals own businesses and those state run businesses are a mixture of state and private working side by side. Currently today, less then 20% is state owned. 30 years ago it was 100%. Example, their oil industry is a mix of private and state working together and their cost per gallon of gas is $2.25. There are no taxes added, all the revenue and profits are done before that with both private and state profiting.

Totalitarian:
means the state controls all aspects of life. That is simply not the case as individuals are free to seek new employment, open businesses, travel at will, immigrate, buy homes, become rich, buy any consumer product they want without permission, in short, do just about anything the people in the west take for granted.

Dictatorship:
They have an election system in place that is at the province level. Those elected officials, who are elected by the people, are then sent to Beijing to represent the people there and those people elect the president, much like many government systems in the world, like Britain.

One party rule:
True, but in recent years the government is encouraging people from outside the party to become involved in government and politics. They can also hold high office, something that was unheard of a few years ago. China understands that it needs new blood in its system in order to survive and do the will of the people otherwise China will stagnate.

What type of government does China have?
At this point, it is hard to say, because it is a mixture of democratic ideals, federalism, socialism, and authoritarian. From what I can see, and how China likes change slowly, that it is slowly morphing into a democratic federal republic, much like the USA has now. But at their own pace, not the instant change that the west demands of China. China is smart enough to know that instant change can have social and political repercussions and its best to take it slowly as to not wake the angry dragon of discontent and descent.

"What type of government does China have? At this point, it is hard to say, because it is a mixture of democratic ideals, federalism, socialism, and authoritarian."

Notice no "Communist" in the description.... because the old label no longer fits....

China likes change slowly, that it is slowly morphing into a democratic federal republic, much like the USA has now.,..who knows, with China changing to be like US,.. World peace may be possible... but opening a liberals eyes... still not on the horizon....
 

Tex

Well-known member
I would agree with much of the article. China is morphing into a totalitarian regime with elitist communist party officials running the show and benefiting from the huge difference between U.S. and the Chinese economy.

They still do not have freedom of the press.

They still imprison anyone who speaks out against the government.

They still do not have religious freedom.

They still do not have a democracy (unless you call communist party only).

They still do not allow hardly any companies to own a controlling interest in their country.

They still call themselves communist, despite the fact that they have had market reform that has not been communistic.

They have now where near the per capita economy that we have.

If you want to argue that China isn't a communist country, Steve, go ahead. They aren't anywhere near a democracy that respects the unalienable rights and privileges that we have, although ours are being undermined and moving closer to China's.

They are turning more into an elitist oligarchy where the ruling class belong to the communist party but don't practice the true version. The Chinese take a longer view of things than we do. If we have a daily plan, they have a yearly plan. If we have a yearly plan, they have a decade plan. If we have a decade plan, they have a century plan.

They will beat us in the long term if we allow it.

Capitalism is based on individual greed and harnessing that power. With our national debt and trade imbalance, the Chinese have harnessed that power of the U.S. capitalistic system. They may very well buy us out instead of beating us in any war, based on the suffering of their own people and stealing our technology, selling it back to us cheaper than we can produce it ourselves, if we allow it.
 

MoGal

Well-known member
China is still communist.

You can probably still read the archives on Lou Dobbs a few weeks back. They were ticked because he calls them "communist china" and they tried to clarify themselves. But nothing they have in place at the present time, is a "democracy".
 

Steve

Well-known member
MoGal
But nothing they have in place at the present time, is a "democracy".

I never said, nor did the article say China was a democracy...

but to drive home the mis-conception of the word democracy... we in the US are not a democracy...

I don't even like China... nor thier goverment... but I can accept that they are no longer a communist country... Maybe I'm more open minded then most?

Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.

In addition, the extremists within the American neoconservatives sometimes argue that the Communist Party of China is a grave threat to peace because of its authoritarian nature, its military build-up of offensive capabilities, and threats made to Taiwan.

Some of the opponents of the Party within the Chinese democracy movement have tended not to argue that a strong Chinese state is inherently bad, but rather that the Communist leadership is corrupt. The Chinese New Left, meanwhile, is a current within China that seeks to "revert China to the socialist road" – i.e., to return China to the days after Mao Zedong but before the reforms of Deng Xiaoping and his successors.

Another school of thought argues that the worst of the abuses took place decades ago, and that the current leadership is not only unconnected with them, but were actually victims of that era. They have also argued that while the modern Communist Party may be flawed, it is comparatively better than previous regimes, with respect to improving the general standard of living, than any other government that has governed China in the past century and can be put in more favorable light against most governments of the developing nations. However, farmers and other rural people have been marginalized, and their standard of living and national influence have been greatly reduced, as a result, the CPC has recently taken sweeping measures to regain support from the countryside, to limited success.

In addition, some scholars contend that China has never operated under a decentralized democratic regime in its several thousand years of history, and therefore it can be argued that the structure present, albeit not up to western moral standards, is the best possible option when compared to its alternatives. A sudden transition to democracy, they contend, would result in the economic and political upheaval that occurred in the Soviet Union in the 1990s, and that by focusing on economic growth, China is setting the stage for a more gradual but more sustainable transition to a more liberal system. This group sees Mainland China as being similar to Spain in the 1960s, and South Korea and Taiwan during the 1970s.

As with the first group, this school of thought brings together some unlikely political allies. Not only do most intellectuals within the Chinese government follow this school of thinking, but it is also the common belief held amongst pro-free trade liberals in the West.

Many observers from both within and out of China have noted the CCP's gradual but sure movement towards democracy and transparency, hence arguing that it is best to give it time and room to evolve into a better government rather than forcing an abrupt change.
 

Tex

Well-known member
Steve said:
MoGal
But nothing they have in place at the present time, is a "democracy".

I never said, nor did the article say China was a democracy...

but to drive home the mis-conception of the word democracy... we in the US are not a democracy...

I don't even like China... nor thier goverment... but I can accept that they are no longer a communist country... Maybe I'm more open minded then most?

Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.

In addition, the extremists within the American neoconservatives sometimes argue that the Communist Party of China is a grave threat to peace because of its authoritarian nature, its military build-up of offensive capabilities, and threats made to Taiwan.

Some of the opponents of the Party within the Chinese democracy movement have tended not to argue that a strong Chinese state is inherently bad, but rather that the Communist leadership is corrupt. The Chinese New Left, meanwhile, is a current within China that seeks to "revert China to the socialist road" – i.e., to return China to the days after Mao Zedong but before the reforms of Deng Xiaoping and his successors.

Another school of thought argues that the worst of the abuses took place decades ago, and that the current leadership is not only unconnected with them, but were actually victims of that era. They have also argued that while the modern Communist Party may be flawed, it is comparatively better than previous regimes, with respect to improving the general standard of living, than any other government that has governed China in the past century and can be put in more favorable light against most governments of the developing nations. However, farmers and other rural people have been marginalized, and their standard of living and national influence have been greatly reduced, as a result, the CPC has recently taken sweeping measures to regain support from the countryside, to limited success.

In addition, some scholars contend that China has never operated under a decentralized democratic regime in its several thousand years of history, and therefore it can be argued that the structure present, albeit not up to western moral standards, is the best possible option when compared to its alternatives. A sudden transition to democracy, they contend, would result in the economic and political upheaval that occurred in the Soviet Union in the 1990s, and that by focusing on economic growth, China is setting the stage for a more gradual but more sustainable transition to a more liberal system. This group sees Mainland China as being similar to Spain in the 1960s, and South Korea and Taiwan during the 1970s.

As with the first group, this school of thought brings together some unlikely political allies. Not only do most intellectuals within the Chinese government follow this school of thinking, but it is also the common belief held amongst pro-free trade liberals in the West.

Many observers from both within and out of China have noted the CCP's gradual but sure movement towards democracy and transparency, hence arguing that it is best to give it time and room to evolve into a better government rather than forcing an abrupt change.

Maybe I'm more open minded then most?



Yeah, that's it Steve. :roll:
 
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