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Is dis on the run?

BBJ

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I have posted in 4 other threads this list and have yet to get a response from ole dis so I thought I'd just start up a whole new one dedicated to it. Its been posted in the threads: Has this been posted before?, What do you make of this?, Third Anniversary & Who said.... Trivia Question. You can research how dis has avoided this one like many others when she can't be honest with us.

dis wrote in the Third Anniversary thread:
But there was no need for the Iraqi war. If you disagree with that, tell me why? President Bush's stated objective for invading Iraq was to destroy Saddam's WMDs. Saddam had no WMDs. GW Bush has been trying to convince the American people this is a legitmate war ever since, but they're catching on that he's a liar and our soldiers are dying for no good reason.

I responded to this with:
WHAT ABOUT THESE PEOPLE?

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source


All I want to know is how dis can get away with condemning President Bush and get away with it but when prominant leaders of her party say the same thing and it's okay. I'm calling you out on this one dis.

I even call those of you out that have such a strong feeling that President Bush has lied about this war. What about these people? Pay attention to the dates of these quotes. I want you to read closley what Jay Rockefeller said, that stings. (2002 is when he said that, add five years like he said and looky there 2007? Just a year away?) Or he he a liar too? I know some like dis will say President Bush only let them see what he wanted them to say ut what about those quotes from 1998?

As for those that wonder what I have invested in the war. Nothing but the SAFETY OF MY FRIENDS, FAMILY & LOVED ONES, as well as those Brave souls that volunteered to defend us. And those that have paid the ultimate price for this country in this war and the wars before it.
 

kolanuraven

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But....in all fairness BBJ...the people you list in your post, the majority of them were going with the information they were given to work with, correct?

I mean all the reports,i.e. Colin Powell @ the UN for example, and conferences we all heard turned out to be wrong!!!

So quoting them now doesnt really carry a lot of weight since we and themselves have now learned the truth.
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
But....in all fairness BBJ...the people you list in your post, the majority of them were going with the information they were given to work with, correct?

I mean all the reports,i.e. Colin Powell @ the UN for example, and conferences we all heard turned out to be wrong!!!

So quoting them now doesnt really carry a lot of weight since we and themselves have now learned the truth.


Fair enough what about the dates before 9/11?
 

kolanuraven

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I'll have to get back to ya BBJ....so not ignoring you.

Wouldn't ya know it...just got my nails done yesterday as I have only 2 " old pro" cows left and thought I was home free ......YEAH!!!!......and now I gotta go pull a calf! Seems it's upside down AND backwards from the view of the feet sticking out!!!!!!

I shall return later on! Maybe Dis can help ya out and answer for me in my absence!!!
 

kolanuraven

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Ok...calf is out and fine and now I can answer you. I would guess, and it's just that on my part, that may be he-Hussein- did have some sort of WMD @ some time in the past.

BUT....the weapons inspectors that were in there just before the war could not find anything that suggested that any WMD's existed @ that time.

Bush pulled the inspectors, then we get the "information" from our " sources" and I not sure we ever knew exactly WHO they were anyway, but that so called information also turned out to be false.

The whole mess seemed to be #1 a comedy of errors and the Congressional/Presidential version of the kids game " gossip". The story just kept getting bigger and grander each time it was retold.
 

BBJ

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kolanuraven said:
Ok...calf is out and fine and now I can answer you. I would guess, and it's just that on my part, that may be he-Hussein- did have some sort of WMD @ some time in the past.

BUT....the weapons inspectors that were in there just before the war could not find anything that suggested that any WMD's existed @ that time.

Bush pulled the inspectors, then we get the "information" from our " sources" and I not sure we ever knew exactly WHO they were anyway, but that so called information also turned out to be false.

The whole mess seemed to be #1 a comedy of errors and the Congressional/Presidential version of the kids game " gossip". The story just kept getting bigger and grander each time it was retold.

Having this arguement will turn out like the gay rights one, I'm not going to sway you on it and you'll never change my mind that it was the right thing to do. The reason I posted this again was not to argue the war, it was simply to get you, dis and others to be honest with us about the "big lie" that President Bush told about this war.

Apparently thought no one has it in them to talk about the strong words spoken by leaders of the democratic party. :(
 

Frankk

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kolanuraven said:
I'll have to get back to ya BBJ....so not ignoring you.

Wouldn't ya know it...just got my nails done yesterday as I have only 2 " old pro" cows left and thought I was home free ......YEAH!!!!......and now I gotta go pull a calf! Seems it's upside down AND backwards from the view of the feet sticking out!!!!!!

I shall return later on! Maybe Dis can help ya out and answer for me in my absence!!!
Good deal on getting that cald alive. I have never saved a backwards calf no matter how soon I got to it always smothered already. Had one barely going and give it mouth to mozzzle still lost it.
 

kolanuraven

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That's fine that we agree to disagree!!!

If everyone was on the same side of the fence...the world would spin lop-sided!!!!!!
 

Disagreeable

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Having this arguement will turn out like the gay rights one, I'm not going to sway you on it and you'll never change my mind that it was the right thing to do. The reason I posted this again was not to argue the war, it was simply to get you, dis and others to be honest with us about the "big lie" that President Bush told about this war.

Apparently thought no one has it in them to talk about the strong words spoken by leaders of the democratic party.

Not a "big lie", but "big lies". Time after time this man has lied to the American people. From Iraq to eavesdropping on Americans without a warrant, he's lied. And people have died.

"The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein."

This is not a Democrat. This is the CIA. How can you defend Bush?

Bush told us in his 2000 State of the Union Address "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

When challenged by the public, the media and Democrats, "Criticism grew last week over the White House's acknowledgment that President Bush included a 16-word statement in his State of the Union address that was based on false intelligence. The statement was part of Bush's argument to declare war on Iraq."

And you can defend this war based on lies? Shame on you.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/09/AR2006020902418.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/13/cnna.wolf.rice/
 

BBJ

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NO NO NO WRONG AGAIN dis. Respond to the quotes. Quit ignoring them and "cherry picking" what you want to respond to.


Or are you on the run from them?


"All I want to know is how dis can get away with condemning President Bush and get away with it but when prominant leaders of her party say the same thing and it's okay. I'm calling you out on this one dis."


Still waiting.....................keep stalling.........................but I ain't going away! :D
 

Faster horses

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BBJ, glad you are hanging in there. Funny, how the libs avoid answering a simple question.

I see that happen on Hannity and Colmes quite often. Alan Colmes nailed a Conservative down the other night and he had the courage to answer. And he gave a good answer. Was odd to see, because most of them are just like ole Dis. If it don't support their 'cause' they ain't gonna say it.
Truth be damned.
 

BBJ

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reader (the Second) said:
Not that I want to be the "new Dis," but these statements could have been said about North Korea or Iran and they actually do have weapons of mass destruction, whereas in Iraq the WMD were dismantled and monitored. And it turns out that Saddam Hussain was lying about WMD to scare the the West.

The point is that there are a lot of places where the U.S. could choose to move with a pre-emptive strike but should we do so? It's one thing to question Iraq because we are there, whether or not we did the best thing in invading Iraq. But we should use Iraq to look at future ways of dealing with dictators and possible threats to global peace and the national security of the U.S. and its allies.

Still avoiding the question. :mad:

I WANT SOMEONE (A LIBERAL) TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, AS HARSHLY AS THEY HAVE OUR PRESIDENT.

This is not a thread about Iraq or any other future dictators we may need to confront. This is simply a test to see who can be honest and non partisan. These dems said the exact same things that President Bush said, and some even before 9/11, but nobody has it in them to do it.

I think at this time I have made my point. If not to anybody else on this site at least I have verified the point for myself. :x
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
NO NO NO WRONG AGAIN dis. Respond to the quotes. Quit ignoring them and "cherry picking" what you want to respond to.


Or are you on the run from them?


"All I want to know is how dis can get away with condemning President Bush and get away with it but when prominant leaders of her party say the same thing and it's okay. I'm calling you out on this one dis."


Still waiting.....................keep stalling.........................but I ain't going away! :D

Well, duh :roll: . These guys were wrong. Bush's WMD inspectors said "we were all wrong." But the President of the United States is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. He is the one who has the power, authority and responsibility to send our military off to die. George W. Bush told the weapons inspectors in Iraq to get out because he was coming in. If he had waited a few weeks, this war, 2300+ Americans, tens of thousands of Iraqis would still be alive. We wouldn't be in debt to China for billions of $$. The National Debt Ceiling would not have been raised for the third time during this Administation. This is Bush's war. No matter what anyone else said or thought, he made the decision to go in before the facts were known.

So let's talk about this:


"The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein."

"When challenged by the public, the media and Democrats, "Criticism grew last week over the White House's acknowledgment that President Bush included a 16-word statement in his State of the Union address that was based on false intelligence. The statement was part of Bush's argument to declare war on Iraq."

It's obvious the Bush Administration mislead the American people into war with Iraq. How can you defend him?
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
reader (the Second) said:
Not that I want to be the "new Dis," but these statements could have been said about North Korea or Iran and they actually do have weapons of mass destruction, whereas in Iraq the WMD were dismantled and monitored. And it turns out that Saddam Hussain was lying about WMD to scare the the West.

The point is that there are a lot of places where the U.S. could choose to move with a pre-emptive strike but should we do so? It's one thing to question Iraq because we are there, whether or not we did the best thing in invading Iraq. But we should use Iraq to look at future ways of dealing with dictators and possible threats to global peace and the national security of the U.S. and its allies.

Still avoiding the question. :mad:

I WANT SOMEONE (A LIBERAL) TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, AS HARSHLY AS THEY HAVE OUR PRESIDENT.

This is not a thread about Iraq or any other future dictators we may need to confront. This is simply a test to see who can be honest and non partisan. These dems said the exact same things that President Bush said, and some even before 9/11, but nobody has it in them to do it.

I think at this time I have made my point. If not to anybody else on this site at least I have verified the point for myself. :x

You need to put your hat back on that pointy head. The point of you posting these quotes is to try to spread the blame for this war to Democrats and the Senate as well as Bush. That won't fly. We've seen report after report showing that he lied or mislead the Congress and Americans about the threat from Iraq. He tried to claim Congress had the same intelligence that he had. That's not true. Another lie. This is Bush's war. He wanted it from the time he was elected. It's a personal vendetta against Saddam. It was well executed and our military did their job. The Bush Bunch didn't do their job in planning what to do when the fighting was over. So the fighting isn't over. It's disgusting. Every time I see another 20, 30, 50 Iraqis found with their hands tied and shot in the head, I'm disgusted with this Administration. Every time I see a US General put in the spotlight to try to defend this mess, I'm disgusted with this Administration. Every time I hear of "accidental" deaths where women and children die, I'm disgusted with this Administration. There was no reason for it. If Bush had waited a few weeks until the UN inspectors made their report, it would have all been avoided. But he wanted it. Getting Saddam had been his goal from the moment he was elected. Let's hear you defend this war. Not snide remarks, but an honest defense of this war. Come on. I'm waiting.
 

BBJ

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LMAO :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: Hopefully you can read what I'm about to type, since you are running from this and spinning it at the same time. Here goes::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Your just too funny. :D

Ok you want me to defend this war, I'll do just that. I'm basing my defense of this war on what clinton, albright, berger, levin, daschle, kerry & pelosi said in 1998, as well as the history of this brutal dictator, the events that happened on 9/11 and the Bush Administration. Hows that?

As for my pointy head, THANKS, I love how when the water gets just a little hot libs like yourself resort to name calling and or personal attacks. Typical liberal retaliation. :wink: As for you answering for r2, if I were you I'd leave that for r2. :D

Oh yeah I'm not trying to spread any blame, but in your mind that is what would happened if you were able to speak the truth. I don't see the war in the same light that you do. I simply wanted you to be honest, but OBVIOUSLY that can't happen. :gag:


I think I'm through with you on this one dis.


:p
 

BBJ

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reader (the Second) said:
BBJ - I agree that the blame should be spread. I do not think that the WMD intelligence was fabricated. I believe that the neocons however were anxious to believe that removing Saddam Hussain would solve many of the problems of the Middle East, which we will find out is NOT true. Because they had an agenda, they were prone to believe certain analyses probably more readily than they should have. I believe Saddam Hussain would have had WMD if he could have. He is quite guileful, unbalanced, and destructive.

So taking him out was a good thing?
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
LMAO :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: Hopefully you can read what I'm about to type, since you are running from this and spinning it at the same time. Here goes::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Your just too funny. :D

Ok you want me to defend this war, I'll do just that. I'm basing my defense of this war on what clinton, albright, berger, levin, daschle, kerry & pelosi said in 1998, as well as the history of this brutal dictator, the events that happened on 9/11 and the Bush Administration. Hows that?

Clinton, Albright, Berger, etc., were wrong. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. The Bush Administration lied to get us into the war. That's not a defense.

As for my pointy head, THANKS, I love how when the water gets just a little hot libs like yourself resort to name calling and or personal attacks. Typical liberal retaliation. :wink: As for you answering for r2, if I were you I'd leave that for r2. :D

R2 is perfectly capable of answering as she sees fit. I'll continue to post my opinions and the facts that I find in government reports and Bush's speeches showing that he's a liar. That this war was unnecessary.

Oh yeah I'm not trying to spread any blame, but in your mind that is what would happened if you were able to speak the truth. I don't see the war in the same light that you do. I simply wanted you to be honest, but OBVIOUSLY that can't happen. :gag:

Of course you're trying to spread the blame. But it won't work. Everyone knows Bush had better intelligence than Congress. Everyone knows now that he only gave out the information that would make his case for war.


I think I'm through with you on this one dis.

Oh? Don't want to address this from the career CIA agent who coordinated intelligence in the Middle East:

""The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein."



:p[/quote]
 

BBJ

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HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE FOLKS! dis just admitted and I quote "Clinton, Albright, Berger, etc., were wrong." :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: I LOVE IT!

Hey dis as for you continuing to post your opinions, GO RIGHT ON AHEAD, they are simply your opinions and most everybody on here KNOWS about you and your agenda. :nod:

Now for the best line you put in your last post "Everyone knows Bush had better intelligence than Congress" :mrgreen:

so if he had better intel. than Congress it was best that we listened to him right? :wink:


Good day :p
 

Disagreeable

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BBJ said:
HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE FOLKS! dis just admitted and I quote "Clinton, Albright, Berger, etc., were wrong." :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: I LOVE IT!

Only history in your little mind. :roll: First, you didn't provide a link, so we don't really know if these people made these comments. Second 1998 was a long time ago. Their opinions were based on current intelligence available in 1998. Bush had better, newer, intelligence. There were weapons inspectors in Iraq that could have provided the most up to date intelligence available. What did he do? He ordered them out before they could find there were no WMDs so he could have his war. Spin all you want. This is an unjustified war against a small country that posed no threat to our nation.

Hey dis as for you continuing to post your opinions, GO RIGHT ON AHEAD, they are simply your opinions and most everybody on here KNOWS about you and your agenda. :nod:

Yes, everyone here knows my agenda. I'm against the Iraqi war. I'm against running up the largest defecit in history. I'm against destroying our military by misusing them. I'm against China owning billions of our debt. I'm against sending billions more dollars into Iraq. We're coming out of Iraq, probably later this year. How many more young men will die between now and November?

On the other hand, your agenda is to support George W. Bush, no matter what he says or does. He lies virtually every day to you and me. I don't like it; you apparently think it's ok. That's a big difference in you and me.

Now for the best line you put in your last post "Everyone knows Bush had better intelligence than Congress" :mrgreen:

so if he had better intel. than Congress it was best that we listened to him right? :wink:

Good day :p

Not when he chose to ignore the intelligence that said Saddam didn't have WMDs and refused to share it with Congress. And that's what he did.

I see that again you've ignored:

"The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein."

Come on, come up with another icon, but acknoweledge this paragraph. This is not an opinion of mine. It's from the CIA. If anyone knew the intelligence in Iraq it was this man. And he says Bush cherry picked what he wanted to use.
 

BBJ

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Like I said when you get a lib down the first thing they resort too is personal attacks, they say stuff like "Only History in your little mind". :clap: That proves alot huh? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
As for not providing a link and you really not knowing if these people made these comments, this is another tactic of the liberals I love, if it is against them and they have no way out they imply it's probably a lie. :lol2: Sorry to DISappoint you but I didn't make these up nor did I take the time to type each one, if you will notice the little word at the end of each quote you will see the word source, that means there is a link to the speech in which these people made these exact comments, here's a link that will help to get you started. http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml
If you place that pointer thingy of your mouse over that word SOURCE and click the left mouse button you should be taken to the right place. Or you could do maybe a google search on the quotes and prove me to be wrong :lol:

Now to address that is was a long time ago (1998) huh(? :? ?), so he had them in 1998 but magically they were all gone in 2001, ( :???: 3 years? :???: ) Yeah, ok, whatever?

You were doing a better job running from this one than you are spinning it. :nod: :nod: :nod:

Thanks for helping me prove my point. :D
 
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