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"If you're a Mexican, you get sent back. ... But if you're from a noncontiguous country like the Central American countries" then you can stay in the United States.

Henry Cuellar on Sunday, July 6th, 2014 in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union"



Texas congressman says immigrant minors from countries that don't border the U.S. can stay

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Why are so many children pouring across the southwest U.S. border? The answer is partly U.S. law, said a Texas congressman on CNN’s State of the Union on July 6, 2014.

Candy Crowley, CNN’s host, asked Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, "Why are they coming in such numbers? What do you think prompts these numbers right now?"

Cuellar answered, "If you're a Mexican, you get sent back. Mother, kids, adults, you're sent back, but if you're from a noncontiguous country like the Central American countries, then the law says that you are going to be held, (and) Health and Human Services, they're going to place you. That’s the law that we need to change right now."

We looked into the claim and found that Cuellar wasn’t crossing any lines.

With an influx of about 52,000 child immigrants at the border since October, the conversation has shifted to explanations. Which brings us to the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008. Some have cited it as the catalyst for the increase in illegal immigration.

President George W. Bush signed the law on Dec. 23, 2008; it received bipartisan support in both the House and the Senate as a measure to combat human trafficking worldwide.


The law was never intended to encourage mass immigration from noncontiguous countries. But the law’s Section 235 did change the policies and procedures for handling unaccompanied alien children.

Section 235, entitled "Enhancing Efforts to Combat the Trafficking of Children," requires humane treatment of minors crossing the border from foreign nations. It also mandates "safe and secure placements," calling for careful consideration when placing unaccompanied minors in residences within the United States.

The law lays out one procedure for child immigrants from contiguous countries, like Mexico and Canada, and another for children from noncontiguous countries, like El Salvador or Honduras.

Child immigrants from contiguous countries are processed for immediate return to their home country. In all other cases, the children are placed under the responsibility of the Secretary of Health and Human Services. These children are placed with family or in other residences while they await their immigration court date. Long story short, they get to stay in the United States.

The law seems to assume that alien children from noncontiguous countries were likely to be the victims of human trafficking, and it guarantees these minors access to legal counsel and child advocates.

Experts said Cuellar was right, and the law was never intended to allow immigrant children from Central America to remain in the United States.

"Representative Cuellar's characterization is mostly right," said Dan Cadman, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies. The law "has actually fueled an industry in the smuggling of minors. Contrary to intent, it has proven to be an inducement to wholesale smuggling of minors from noncontiguous countries."

The House GOP task force, assembled by speaker John Boehner to address the immigration crisis, issued a statement this week calling for changes to the law. "We agree with the president that (these children) must be returned to their home countries in the most humane way possible and that will require a revision of the 2008 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act."

On July 9, 2014, Cuellar said that he is introducing legislation to make the repatriation of minors from noncontiguous countries easier and faster by revising the law.

Our ruling

Cuellar said that unaccompanied alien children from contiguous countries are "sent back" no matter what, but the law calls for the placement of minors from "a noncontiguous country like the Central American countries" in a residential setting.

Cuellar correctly characterizes the law. The law was passed as a measure to combat human trafficking worldwide. As a result, certain parts of the legislation allow unaccompanied minors from noncontiguous countries to stay in the United States. Lawmakers are now contemplating changing the law.

We rate this statement True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/10/henry-cuellar/rep-texas-says-immigrant-minors-countries-dont-bor/


Looks like the blame for why the Central American kids are all coming to the US can't all be placed on Obama- as the law that requires keeping them here was signed by old GW...

I never heard of this law before...Must not have made much news when it passed... Introduced by Howard Berman [D- CA28]
Co- Sponsors:
Conyers, John [D-MI14]

Fortenberry, Jeff [R-NE1]

Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA16]

Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R-FL18]

Scott, Robert “Bobby” [D-VA3]

Smith, Christopher “Chris” [R-NJ4]

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Sponsored in Senate by Joe Biden [D-DE]

Co-sponsors :
Brownback, Samuel “Sam” [R-KS]

Hatch, Orrin [R-UT]

Cardin, Benjamin [D-MD]

Specter, Arlen [D-PA]

Durbin, Richard [D-IL]

Feinstein, Dianne [D-CA]


The administration instead blames the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which was signed into law by Bush. That law made it nearly impossible to deport unaccompanied minors to Central America without first letting them appear before an immigration judge. Because of the current backlog, the wait for such court appearances can be very lengthy, during which time the immigrant minors are released from custody .

Named after William Wilberforce — the British politician who led the parliamentary campaign against the British slave trade for 26 years until the passage of the Slave Trade Act of 1807 — the act (S. 3061) was geared to combat the trafficking of minors. The law was designed, its proponents asserted, to prevent victims of child trafficking from being automatically sent back to those who had effectively enslaved them, with the court appearance designed to allow the judge to evaluate their particular situation. The law’s contribution to the present crisis, though undeniable, is most likely an unanticipated consequence.

While President Bush did sign the measure, it was a bipartisan effort, and was originally written partially by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and introduced in the Senate by then-Senator, now Vice President, Joe Biden.

The New York Times quoted Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.), a chief backer of the original bill, who said multiple factors have contributed to the present crisis, including “exploitation of our laws, the ungoverned space in Central America, as well as the desperate poverty faced by those deciding to cross.”

“With all these factors in mind, it’s hard to think that today’s situation at the border can be directly attributed to a law that’s been in effect now for six years,” Fortenberry said.

“It is classic unintended consequences,” Marc Rosenblum, deputy director of the U.S. Immigration Policy Program at the Migration Policy Institute, told the Times. “This was certainly not what was envisioned.”

Aides to Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), who was one of only two House Republicans who opposed the Wilberforce bill, told the Times that he did not foresee the current massive influx but was more concerned about federal spending at the time. Flake now supports revising the law. “Congress needs to change what it can, as soon as it can, to ensure that these unaccompanied minors are sent home without delay,” he said.

It might be noted that Flake is one of the bipartisan Senate “Gang of Eight” who drafted the “immigration reform” bill passed by the Senate that the Obama administration would like the House to pass.

Can Congress agree on any immigrant issue - I wouldn't place bets on that either :???:
 

Mike

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One problem. Bush didn't go around making speech after speech about how we should pass the Dream Act and allow the young illegals to stay here permanently and get an education.

Those speeches made them start pouring across the border in hoardes like they are now.

In other words. Buckwheat invited them in...................now he doesn't know what to do about it.

That's what you call "Leading From Behind". :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D3UfK0p0yY
 

Brad S

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Exactly, Mike!

So W has been outta office for 6 years, so what explains the recent wave of invaders? OT, are you saying it just took that long for the invaders to trudge all that way?

OT, have some pride. You only look stupid or dishonest when you post SH!t like this. I don't think anyone could be that stupid either. Obama CAUSED this tragedy, he is exploiting children to their detriment for political gain. This situation clearly illustrates what a pos Barry is.
 

hypocritexposer

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The DREAM Act is potential legislation that must be passed by Congress and signed by the President into Law whereas DACA is an Executive Order recently signed by President Obama in June 2012.

http://winogradandschwartz.com/2012/10/22/what-is-the-difference-between-the-dream-act-and-daca/
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Cuellar answered, "If you're a Mexican, you get sent back. Mother, kids, adults, you're sent back, but if you're from a noncontiguous country like the Central American countries, then the law says that you are going to be held, (and) Health and Human Services, they're going to place you. That’s the law that we need to change right now."

We looked into the claim and found that Cuellar wasn’t crossing any lines.

Looks like OT was bamboozled again...by his chosen cult.


A planeload of single mothers and children arrived in this gang-ridden Honduran city on Monday, ferried back on a U.S.-chartered flight as an unprecedented surge of Central American migrants has overwhelmed U.S. border enforcement officials in recent months.

It was the first in a series deportation flights that are expected to leave the United States for Honduras carrying only women and children in the coming days.

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-honduras-deportees-20140714-story.html
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
Cuellar answered, "If you're a Mexican, you get sent back. Mother, kids, adults, you're sent back, but if you're from a noncontiguous country like the Central American countries, then the law says that you are going to be held, (and) Health and Human Services, they're going to place you. That’s the law that we need to change right now."

We looked into the claim and found that Cuellar wasn’t crossing any lines.

Looks like OT was bamboozled again...by his chosen cult.


A planeload of single mothers and children arrived in this gang-ridden Honduran city on Monday, ferried back on a U.S.-chartered flight as an unprecedented surge of Central American migrants has overwhelmed U.S. border enforcement officials in recent months.

It was the first in a series deportation flights that are expected to leave the United States for Honduras carrying only women and children in the coming days.

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-honduras-deportees-20140714-story.html

My understanding is that kids with parents do not fall under the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, and can be deported... This law is only for kids unaccompanied by parents is how I understood it...
 

hypocritexposer

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the Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008

I guess you would have to equate trafficking with illegal immigration, to make the "mistake" you made :roll:

Nobody forced these children across the border...they were enticed, by obama and the leftist cult, you voted for.
 

hypocritexposer

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The White House’s explanation of why so many “children” are crossing our southern border recently is that the violence in Central America drove them here. Also, as usual, Bush is to blame: in 2008 President Bush signed a law “to prevent immigration officials from inadvertently sending [children] back to pimps and drug violence”.







President Obama and his aides have repeatedly sought to dispel the rumors driving thousands of children and teens from Central America to cross the U.S. border each month with the expectation they will be given a permiso and allowed to stay.

But under the Obama administration, those reports have proved increasingly true.

The number of immigrants under 18 who were deported or turned away at ports of entry fell from 8,143 in 2008, the last year of the George W. Bush administration, to 1,669 last year, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement data released under a Freedom of Information Act request.

Similarly, about 600 minors were ordered deported each year from nonborder states a decade ago. Ninety-five were deported last year, records show, even as a flood of unaccompanied minors from Central America — five times more than two years earlier — began pouring across the Southwest border.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-deport-children-20140706-story.html#page=1
 

TexasBred

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Since none of them have any documentation, you can bet your ass they are all from Central America. They'd be stupid to say otherwise.
 

Steve

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TexasBred said:
Since none of them have any documentation, you can bet your ass they are all from Central America. They'd be stupid to say otherwise.

:agree: :lol2:

yep and until they go to court,.. they get to stay..

by then they will be coached to say they need asylum as they may get killed if they returned..
 

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