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Is he really the first???

Tam

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On election night I heard some claiming they never thought they would see it in their lifetime and how this election would go done in History for electing the first black US President. BUT What do you think should Obama beable to claim being the first Black President and was History set in Nov 2008?

Why Obama wont be the first black president

BY Dotun Adebayo

TRENDY YOUNG Nichelle Carr is one of the high-flying African American attorneys backing Obama from these shores.
She works for the top law firm Linklaters, which advises the world's leading companies, financial institutions and governments, and represents a new class of black middle class here in Britain.


She had dinner at my home the other evening, and I couldn’t help wondering whether she should be as excited as she is about the prospect of America’s first black president. After all, Obama will not be the first.


If African-Americans knew the real story of their history, I wonder how many of them would be jumping up and down as if Obama was the second coming. He’s not even the third coming, or the fourth. In fact, if he kicks John McCain into touch come November, Barack will be the SEVENTH black president of the United. Yes, seventh.


Remember, it’s racist America we’re talking about, where the one drop rule applies (one drop of African blood). In which case Dwight D. Eisenhower, the wartime general who became president in the fifties, is a bruvva. As one historian has recently pointed out, Eisenhower’s mum, Ida Elizabeth Stover Eisenhower, was black.


Black historians have written extensively that Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Dwight Eisenhower had black ancestors. These historians include Joel A. Rodgers, Dr. Leroy Vaughn, and Dr. Auset Bakhufu.


Black historians, however, were not the first to write about the five presidents' racially mixed families. White historians and political opponents also wrote about their black ancestors, but the books were either destroyed, went out of print or are hard to find.



The difference between Obama and these presidents is that they all passed for white (which he obviously can’t do) and shunned their dark-skinned relatives to hide their racial backgrounds.


In Thomas Jefferson’s case, there is even evidence that his daughter remained a slave during his presidency (check out the book The President’s Daughter by William Wells Brown).


Jefferson, America's third president, had an Indian mother and a mulatto father. Jefferson destroyed all of the papers, portraits and personal effects of his mother, Jane Randolph Jefferson, when she died on March 31, 1776. He even wrote to everyone who had received letters from his mother to ask that they return them.


Andrew Jackson, the nation's seventh's president, was the son of a black man and an Irish woman. His brother, according to articles and books, was sold into slavery.

But the blackest of the presidents was Warren G. Harding, the 29th president, who served in office from 1921 to 1923. White historians claim Harding was of English and Dutch ancestry, but in truth both his parents were black.

Harding's black ancestors escaped from the South to the North via the Underground Railroad. He even attended a college for fugitive slaves at a time when it would have been unthinkable for any white person to attend such an institution.

Iberia College, in Ohio, was founded to educate fugitive slaves – it’s now called Ohio Central College. When Republicans asked Harding to deny that he was a ‘negro’, Harding said, "How should I know whether or not one of my ancestors might have jumped the fence?"


Harding’s own brother and sisters were raised and treated like ‘coloured’ people. According to one historian, Harding used makeup to lighten his complexion.


Abraham Lincoln, the 16th US president, was the illegitimate son of an African man. Lincoln's mother, Nancy, described her son as having very dark skin and coarse hair.


Historians maintain that Thomas Lincoln was Abraham Lincoln's father, but William H. Herndon, Lincoln's law partner, disputes that assumption.


After Lincoln's assassination in 1865, Herndon contacted everyone who knew Lincoln and documented his life. According to the book, The Hidden Lincoln, From The Letters And Papers Of William H. Herndon, Herndon argued that Thomas Lincoln could not have been Abraham Lincoln's father because he was sterile as a result of childhood mumps.


Calvin Coolidge, America's 30th president, admitted that his mother, Victoria Josephine Moor Coolidge, was dark because she was of mixed Indian ancestry. By then of course (1800) New England Indians were not pure because so many of them married black folk.


You see why Garvey said it was important to know your history before we start showing the world how ignorant of our past we are? That’s the Yanks taken care of. I haven’t even started on our black queen Elizabeth II and the other bruvvas and sistas in the royal family.

Don't kill the messenger here I'm just asking a simple question. Should Obama go down in History as the first Black President when he has no more black blood running through his veins than the first 6 did? And in the case of Harding less :???:
 

Tam

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kolanuraven said:
jigs said:
will he be the last???

No

Come on Kola do you think OBAMA should be claiming to be the first Black President when 6 others, dating back to the third president elected, have had black blood flowing through their veins?
 
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Tam said:
kolanuraven said:
jigs said:
will he be the last???

No

Come on Kola do you think OBAMA should be claiming to be the first Black President when 6 others, dating back to the third president elected, have had black blood flowing through their veins?

yep-- if those others actually did have anyone in their pedigree that was black (which I highly doubt...Sounds like another paper/book selling angle to me) they never admitted it or purported it....

Will he be the Last?

No- the country is becoming such a diverse mixture of races- and the younger generations are being able to look past race- that we will no longer have caucasians ruling the office.......

I had really thought Colin Powell could become the first black (nonwhite) President- but Bush did him in for ever wanting to be involved with government anymore :( ......
 
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Mahoney-Pursley Ranch said:
The only thing BO is first at is duping the American people BIG time.

He will also be the first president to comepletly BURY our great nation.

If GW leaves anything to bury... :roll: :( :(
 

Tam

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kolanuraven said:
Tam said:
kolanuraven said:

Come on Kola do you think OBAMA should be claiming to be the first Black President when 6 others, dating back to the third president elected, have had black blood flowing through their veins?


Have you checked YOUR pedigree today???? :wink: :wink: :wink:

Why do you keep changing the subject Kola? Why can't you just tell us if Obama can actually claim to be the first Black President in light of six president before him were part black? :???:
 

MsSage

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No he can NOT LOL too funny
Will have to do some research to find out more.....


Tam remember if you cant dazzle them with briliance then baffle them with BS
 

Tam

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MsSage said:
No he can NOT LOL too funny
Will have to do some research to find out more.....


Tam remember if you cant dazzle them with briliance then baffle them with BS

Sorry but I'm not trying to baffle anyone, I'm simply asking a question about Obama's right to claim he is the first black President when historians have evidence that prove he isn't even the second but possibaly the seventh Black President.
 

jigs

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the fact that he is black is not near as bothersome as his friends. Rev. Hateful Wright , John Ayers, and muslims.

lets see......one hate American and preaches for it's death on Sundays, one was a home grown terrorist, and the other wants this nation to die....


sounds like a guy to vote in to me....... :???: :???:

stupid liberals and the welfare voters.
 

Tam

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jigs said:
the fact that he is black is not near as bothersome as his friends. Rev. Hateful Wright , John Ayers, and muslims.

lets see......one hate American and preaches for it's death on Sundays, one was a home grown terrorist, and the other wants this nation to die....


sounds like a guy to vote in to me....... :???: :???:

stupid liberals and the welfare voters.

Jigs I'll give you that his friendships are worrisome but that is not what this thread is about. It is about whether or not he has the right to claim to be the first Black President.

When you repeatedly hear how History is being written and about Obama is the first Black President, one has to wonder what is it about this man that makes people so willing to throw out historical research and rewrite history to make him look so important? :???:
 

jigs

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he has bamboozled America. he says it, they believe it. he could claim to be the reincarnated spirit of Jebadiah Nightlinger, slave from 'Bama who was hung on a tree for looking at the masters wife, and CNN would be tracking down the decendants of said Master looking to even the score for the annointed one.

he is a slick and wiley as Hitler.
 

Tam

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I agree with you Jigs this guy seems to be able to claim anything he wants and people will jump all over it even if historians have evidence to prove him wrong. He is smooth I grant that but that is why I think those that have not drank the koolaid need to keep bringing questions forward.

His claims and judgement or only two red flags for me when it comes to this man.
 

kolanuraven

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Tam said:
kolanuraven said:
Tam said:
Come on Kola do you think OBAMA should be claiming to be the first Black President when 6 others, dating back to the third president elected, have had black blood flowing through their veins?


Have you checked YOUR pedigree today???? :wink: :wink: :wink:

Why do you keep changing the subject Kola? Why can't you just tell us if Obama can actually claim to be the first Black President in light of six president before him were part black? :???:



Mainly because I think it's s STUPID & ASININE question that matters not to ANYTHING in the universe!!!!!
 

kolanuraven

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Tam said:
I agree with you Jigs this guy seems to be able to claim anything he wants and people will jump all over it even if historians have evidence to prove him wrong. He is smooth I grant that but that is why I think those that have not drank the koolaid need to keep bringing questions forward.

His claims and judgement or only two red flags for me when it comes to this man.


And for this enthusiasm....you can thank your saintly current president.......... George Bush :!: :!: :!:

George is the one you should be mad at as he and he alone put Obama where he is right now.

So like many of you told me, " If you don't like the President.....pack your shite and move to another country". Of course, Tam did just that so I guess this doesn't apply to her directly.

So, can ya'll practice what YOU preach?


I doubt it, too gutless. Ya'll just run under the porch and bark from under there for the next 4 or 8 yrs.
 

loomixguy

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kolanuraven said:
And for this enthusiasm....you can thank your saintly current president.......... George Bush :!: :!: :!:

George is the one you should be mad at as he and he alone put Obama where he is right now.

Your BDS is showing......
Surely even you realize that we the people VOTED on Nov. 4, dontcha KooKoo? The voters put PEBO in, not Bush.
 

hopalong

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loomixguy said:
kolanuraven said:
And for this enthusiasm....you can thank your saintly current president.......... George Bush :!: :!: :!:

George is the one you should be mad at as he and he alone put Obama where he is right now.

Your BDS is showing......
Surely even you realize that we the people VOTED on Nov. 4, dontcha KooKoo? The voters put PEBO in, not Bush.

That is waaaaaayyy to far for her small mind to comprehend, it is too clouded by her hate and spite for all mankind.
 
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